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Posted by gabmeister on August 7, 2006, at 18:46:25
In reply to Re: I'm not afraid, I just don't wanna.... » over 55, posted by elsie_girl on August 5, 2006, at 0:19:44
HI, I'm the one who brought up the Isogenix. They have products galore, but there are 4 that I swear by.
"Cleanse for Life" four onces daily, mixed with eight ounces spring water - Aloe Vera (inner heart filet); IsaLyte (trademarked as a proprietary blend which means we don't know what's in that); Suma Tea (pfuffia paniculata); Pau D'Arco tea; Fennel Seed Tea; Burdock Tea; Siberian Ginseng Tea; Peppermint Tea; Licorice Tea; Choline Bitartrate; Inositol; Betaine HCI; L-methionine.
"Ionix Supreme" - 1 ounce, two times a day - Wolberry extract; Sorrel Flower extract; Velvet Bean;MSM; Siberian Golden Root; Rhidodendron Causcasium; Ashwaghanda Extract: Schizandra Extract;Tribula Terrestris Extract; Maca Extract; Nepali Shilajit Extract; Bamboo Extract; Isalyte (there's that tradmark protected proprietary blend again) trace minerals; Bacopa Extract; Harada; Siberian Ginseng; Alpha-Lipoic Acid; Blueberry Extract; Ginger Extract; Hibiscus Flower Extract; Kiwi Juice concentrate; Watermelon Juice.Natural Accelerator - 1 capsule, 2 times a day - Niacin; Chromium; apple cider vinegarGreen tea extract; Pau D'Arco; Alpha Lipoic Acid; Cinnamon; White Willow; Ginseng;Yucca; Royal Jelly.
The last product is called "Want More Energy". (Can't give the ingredients right now, left the container at work. But it's great. It's an electrolyte "sports" type drink - lemon-lime flavour - but unlike other sports drunks (like Gatorade - ugh!) it's not like drink a container of sugar. It's tart and really quenches thirts.
Anyhow, that's Isogenix. (They also have other products likes soups, etc, the the above 4 are the ones I've fit into my life.) I personally know 8 other people at work who take this stuff. One thing we all comment on is the energy. I've eaven had a few people (who don't know what I'm taking) say I've done a "complete 360". The other (and ever so wonderful) thing we all agree on is that we sleep much better and the quality of the sleep is good. Sleep weel, but don't feel comatose in the morning; or wake up a hundred times a night. I used to wake up all the time in the night and each time my mind would start working overtime. Now? If I do wake up, I go right back to sleep.
Anyhow. I'll shut up now. I wish you all the best through another day. Take care. This too shall pass. We will overcome this hell.
me
Posted by elsie_girl on August 7, 2006, at 18:46:25
In reply to Re: I'm not afraid, I just don't wanna...., posted by gabmeister on August 5, 2006, at 10:33:35
Thank you so very much for this information. I mentioned before that I have Fibromyalgia Syndrome (FMS) only recently diagnosed. I don't know how much is the FMS and how much is AD's but I am now on the track of trying to find any natural (?) products that will help me at least get back to work or feeling semi-normal. It gets so frustrating sometimes. No wonder I feel depressed.
But, I feel positive that at least now I am taking my health into my own hands because the help is just NOT out there. I have to be pro-active.
Again, "I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU TAKING THE TIME TO LIST THE INGREDIENTS FOR ME". I have a local pharmacist (2 actually) who work together and have opened a herbal type store. One of the pharmacists has also had training in herbal remedies and they are both now geared to natural health products. It is good because they know a lot about both natural and traditional medicines. Hopefully they can help.
For now I can only try to get through one day at a time - like the rest of you. I should improve again eventually, but I know it will take time. The important thing for me is not to look too far ahead and to keep up hope that tomorrow will always be better.
Thank you again. Good luck and happy days to you all.
Elsie girl
> HI, I'm the one who brought up the Isogenix. They have products galore, but there are 4 that I swear by.
>
> "Cleanse for Life" four onces daily, mixed with eight ounces spring water - Aloe Vera (inner heart filet); IsaLyte (trademarked as a proprietary blend which means we don't know what's in that); Suma Tea (pfuffia paniculata); Pau D'Arco tea; Fennel Seed Tea; Burdock Tea; Siberian Ginseng Tea; Peppermint Tea; Licorice Tea; Choline Bitartrate; Inositol; Betaine HCI; L-methionine.
>
>
> "Ionix Supreme" - 1 ounce, two times a day - Wolberry extract; Sorrel Flower extract; Velvet Bean;MSM; Siberian Golden Root; Rhidodendron Causcasium; Ashwaghanda Extract: Schizandra Extract;Tribula Terrestris Extract; Maca Extract; Nepali Shilajit Extract; Bamboo Extract; Isalyte (there's that tradmark protected proprietary blend again) trace minerals; Bacopa Extract; Harada; Siberian Ginseng; Alpha-Lipoic Acid; Blueberry Extract; Ginger Extract; Hibiscus Flower Extract; Kiwi Juice concentrate; Watermelon Juice.
>
> Natural Accelerator - 1 capsule, 2 times a day - Niacin; Chromium; apple cider vinegarGreen tea extract; Pau D'Arco; Alpha Lipoic Acid; Cinnamon; White Willow; Ginseng;Yucca; Royal Jelly.
>
> The last product is called "Want More Energy". (Can't give the ingredients right now, left the container at work. But it's great. It's an electrolyte "sports" type drink - lemon-lime flavour - but unlike other sports drunks (like Gatorade - ugh!) it's not like drink a container of sugar. It's tart and really quenches thirts.
>
> Anyhow, that's Isogenix. (They also have other products likes soups, etc, the the above 4 are the ones I've fit into my life.) I personally know 8 other people at work who take this stuff. One thing we all comment on is the energy. I've eaven had a few people (who don't know what I'm taking) say I've done a "complete 360". The other (and ever so wonderful) thing we all agree on is that we sleep much better and the quality of the sleep is good. Sleep weel, but don't feel comatose in the morning; or wake up a hundred times a night. I used to wake up all the time in the night and each time my mind would start working overtime. Now? If I do wake up, I go right back to sleep.
>
> Anyhow. I'll shut up now. I wish you all the best through another day. Take care. This too shall pass. We will overcome this hell.
>
> me
>
Posted by over 55 on August 7, 2006, at 18:46:25
In reply to Re: I'm not afraid, I just don't wanna.... » gabmeister, posted by elsie_girl on August 5, 2006, at 22:33:22
Hi Elsie and Gabmeister,
I did look up the site on Isogenix too. Because I am in the middle of a "a natural cleansing system" with another product I will have to wait and see after this is done. I have been doing it a month already and feel significantly better, except when I sabotage myself with fat greasy foods. That causes a set back. I have been "trying"to go more natural and organic when possible. It really, really helps, but I haven't got the mind-set yet to not give-in to processed "not good for me" foods. I did a horrible overload on my system over the weekend and am paying for it today!! Feel like "crap" actually!! Ate everything in sight and all the wrong things. I'd even been off caffeine and diet pop for the last month and had a nice icy cold diet Coke over the weekend with a huge bag of buttery pop-corn at the movies. I disgust myself!! Ah....but back to the skimpy salads today (ha ha).......and more water!! Thanks for posting and keep in touch!
Posted by gabmeister on August 14, 2006, at 9:26:54
In reply to Re: I'm not afraid, I just don't wanna...., posted by over 55 on August 7, 2006, at 9:19:25
Hi elsie girl and over 55!! I think we're going down the right road. Day at a time. Over 55... STOP IT!!!! You shouldn't be disgusted with yourself. I do the same thing. There ya go! We all do. Know what? This journey that we're struggling with gives us the right to blow it every once in a while. Please don't put unrealistic expectations on yourself.
I'd like to report that my AD's.... I'm down from 225 a day to less that 18.75 a day. It's taken me about 5-6 months so far. And if it takes another 2-4, I'm okay with that. All I know is, I'm getting there... It's been hard. Headaches. Vomitting. "The Shakes". "Baby hallucinations". "Cruel thoughts". Went through all of this if I dropped the dosage to quickly.
I am feeling better. I actually have energy (almost)! I never used to leave the house except to go to work. (Hence the name on this thread.... I'm not afraid to leave the house, I just don't wanna". Didn't even sit on the deck with hubby darling. Now? Wow. I actually went out yesterday (Sunday) Trip to IKEA for a new shelving unit and rug. Came home put up shelving unit and put down rug. This from a woman who hadn't cleaned her house in years (my beloved's been doing everything... gawd, he's wonderful... I woulda left me years ago.... bless him).
I wish the same for you all. Health is number one. Happiness comes from health. In the greater scheme, nothing else matters. Material things are just "stuff".
Let us know how you're doing with the AD's. I thank god for this site and the support and caring I see.
Love you all. Take care. This too shall pass. We shall overcome this hell known as depression.
me
Posted by over 55 on August 15, 2006, at 15:53:47
In reply to Re: I'm not afraid, I just don't wanna...., posted by gabmeister on August 14, 2006, at 9:26:54
Good to hear from you again gabmeister and wonderful about the trip and new rug!! A great accomplishment.
I am struggling with the "tearmonster" this week and had a bad experience over the weekend with my newly "cleansed colon". I'd just finished my 30 day colon cleanse with 7 lb weight loss and feeling a bit better in the am (not having to hire a crane to lift me out of bed)!! Anyway I am not a drinker in any fashion, but at dinner, since I'd virtually given up caffeine, I decided to have a beer. Immediately as it hit my "gut" I had sharp pains and grumblings. Thinking I needed food on top, I smothered it with a great BBQ dinner. Off to the movie we went and me still in excrutiating pain wishing I could "give birth" to this thing in my stomach. Well finally at 1:30am, 3:00am 5:30am....well you get the idea. I got rid of everything in my stomach and beyond in a most unfflattering way. I took 3 showers during the night, as it was not a pretty sight. I have never had stomach problems, but think maybe I oever-cleansed my system or maybe over-stressed it with beer and BBQ??? I missed work on Monday due to back and stomach being so sore from wretching. Since this has all happened I am at the verge of tears constantly, having bad thoughts etc. I am trying very hard to be "normal" and want to stay off the AD's now that it has been 7 weeks off. I have wandering residual affects like the "brain swooshes" and randon limb pains that I maybe was too drugged to notice before. I had brain zaps while taking the AD's, but this was the side to side brain swoosh I have heard others decribe.
So, gabmeister what are the "baby hallucenations you refer too, if it is not too personal to ask??? I have had optical illusions in the past, like 12 years ago, and recently within the last two weeks having some again. Guite disturbing as I am off the AD's. I want to stay free; but I am struggling here with the crying and not feeling well at all. Any ideas or suggestions?
Posted by JLx on August 16, 2006, at 10:54:20
In reply to Re: I'm not afraid, I just don't wanna...., posted by over 55 on August 15, 2006, at 15:53:47
> Good to hear from you again gabmeister and wonderful about the trip and new rug!! A great accomplishment.
>
> I am struggling with the "tearmonster" this week and had a bad experience over the weekend with my newly "cleansed colon". I'd just finished my 30 day colon cleanse with 7 lb weight loss and feeling a bit better in the am (not having to hire a crane to lift me out of bed)!! Anyway I am not a drinker in any fashion, but at dinner, since I'd virtually given up caffeine, I decided to have a beer. Immediately as it hit my "gut" I had sharp pains and grumblings. Thinking I needed food on top, I smothered it with a great BBQ dinner. Off to the movie we went and me still in excrutiating pain wishing I could "give birth" to this thing in my stomach. Well finally at 1:30am, 3:00am 5:30am....well you get the idea. I got rid of everything in my stomach and beyond in a most unfflattering way. I took 3 showers during the night, as it was not a pretty sight. I have never had stomach problems, but think maybe I oever-cleansed my system or maybe over-stressed it with beer and BBQ??? I missed work on Monday due to back and stomach being so sore from wretching. Since this has all happened I am at the verge of tears constantly, having bad thoughts etc. I am trying very hard to be "normal" and want to stay off the AD's now that it has been 7 weeks off. I have wandering residual affects like the "brain swooshes" and randon limb pains that I maybe was too drugged to notice before. I had brain zaps while taking the AD's, but this was the side to side brain swoosh I have heard others decribe.
> So, gabmeister what are the "baby hallucenations you refer too, if it is not too personal to ask??? I have had optical illusions in the past, like 12 years ago, and recently within the last two weeks having some again. Guite disturbing as I am off the AD's. I want to stay free; but I am struggling here with the crying and not feeling well at all. Any ideas or suggestions?Well, I'm not gabmeister, but if you don't mind...I suggest EFT for the crying and whatever emotions you're feeling and maybe probiotics for your digestive system.
JL
Posted by over 55 on August 16, 2006, at 13:28:40
In reply to Re: I'm not afraid, I just don't wanna.... » over 55, posted by JLx on August 16, 2006, at 10:54:20
> > Good to hear from you again gabmeister and wonderful about the trip and new rug!! A great accomplishment.
> >
> > I am struggling with the "tearmonster" this week and had a bad experience over the weekend with my newly "cleansed colon". I'd just finished my 30 day colon cleanse with 7 lb weight loss and feeling a bit better in the am (not having to hire a crane to lift me out of bed)!! Anyway I am not a drinker in any fashion, but at dinner, since I'd virtually given up caffeine, I decided to have a beer. Immediately as it hit my "gut" I had sharp pains and grumblings. Thinking I needed food on top, I smothered it with a great BBQ dinner. Off to the movie we went and me still in excrutiating pain wishing I could "give birth" to this thing in my stomach. Well finally at 1:30am, 3:00am 5:30am....well you get the idea. I got rid of everything in my stomach and beyond in a most unfflattering way. I took 3 showers during the night, as it was not a pretty sight. I have never had stomach problems, but think maybe I oever-cleansed my system or maybe over-stressed it with beer and BBQ??? I missed work on Monday due to back and stomach being so sore from wretching. Since this has all happened I am at the verge of tears constantly, having bad thoughts etc. I am trying very hard to be "normal" and want to stay off the AD's now that it has been 7 weeks off. I have wandering residual affects like the "brain swooshes" and randon limb pains that I maybe was too drugged to notice before. I had brain zaps while taking the AD's, but this was the side to side brain swoosh I have heard others decribe.
> > So, gabmeister what are the "baby hallucenations you refer too, if it is not too personal to ask??? I have had optical illusions in the past, like 12 years ago, and recently within the last two weeks having some again. Guite disturbing as I am off the AD's. I want to stay free; but I am struggling here with the crying and not feeling well at all. Any ideas or suggestions?
>
> Well, I'm not gabmeister, but if you don't mind...I suggest EFT for the crying and whatever emotions you're feeling and maybe probiotics for your digestive system.
>
> JLAs I was laying in bed crunched up in pain I did do three rounds of "tapping" and got some relief. Then did some energy work around my stomach area. It was wierd that I only could move the energy up and not down. Maybe why I ended up throwing up all night. I did finally order the pro-biotics and only started them about 5 days before all this happened so maybe didn't have enough time to start working. I am still taking them and will for another 30 days or so. Also taking Omega-3. Thanks for answering...both good suggestions. I just need to hang in there I quess ( :
Posted by gabmeister on August 16, 2006, at 16:15:48
In reply to Re: I'm not afraid, I just don't wanna.... » over 55, posted by JLx on August 16, 2006, at 10:54:20
> > Good to hear from you again gabmeister and wonderful about the trip and new rug!! A great accomplishment.
> >
> > I am struggling with the "tearmonster" this week and had a bad experience over the weekend with my newly "cleansed colon". I'd just finished my 30 day colon cleanse with 7 lb weight loss and feeling a bit better in the am (not having to hire a crane to lift me out of bed)!! Anyway I am not a drinker in any fashion, but at dinner, since I'd virtually given up caffeine, I decided to have a beer. Immediately as it hit my "gut" I had sharp pains and grumblings. Thinking I needed food on top, I smothered it with a great BBQ dinner. Off to the movie we went and me still in excrutiating pain wishing I could "give birth" to this thing in my stomach. Well finally at 1:30am, 3:00am 5:30am....well you get the idea. I got rid of everything in my stomach and beyond in a most unfflattering way. I took 3 showers during the night, as it was not a pretty sight. I have never had stomach problems, but think maybe I oever-cleansed my system or maybe over-stressed it with beer and BBQ???I've done cleanses over the years. I have also found that after cleansing, I become super sensitive to heavy meals. I had a naturopathic "cleansing mentor" who further explained you can get strange side effects (pain, flue like symptoms, headaches, vomitting, the poopies, etc. due to the toxins being released/expelled by your body. It takes time to work through all this and yup, physically it can be hell.
>> I missed work on Monday due to back and stomach being so sore from wretching. Since this has all happened I am at the verge of tears constantly, having bad thoughts etc. I am trying very hard to be "normal" and want to stay off the AD's now that it has been 7 weeks off. I have wandering residual affects like the "brain swooshes" and randon limb pains that I maybe was too drugged to notice before. I had brain zaps while taking the AD's, but this was the side to side brain swoosh I have heard others decribe.
I think you're right about having been too drugged. The aches and pains sound fairly common. Again, also possibly a side effect of the cleanse.
> > So, gabmeister what are the "baby hallucenations you refer too, if it is not too personal to ask??? I have had optical illusions in the past, like 12 years ago, and recently within the last two weeks having some again. Guite disturbing as I am off the AD's. I want to stay free; but I am struggling here with the crying and not feeling well at all. Any ideas or suggestions?
Well hon, all I can say is you've come this far, be strong as you can and plod on. Now that I'm almost down to zero on the AD's I find I'm becoming a bit teary and am, quite frankly, a bit afraid of how bad that will get once I'm completely off. And the brain swooshes? Gawd it's the most horrible feeling. Last time I went off the AD's several years ago, these were the lasy symptoms that I really, really had a hard time getting rid of. It took me 3 months at less that 10mg every two to three days before I could shake this particular symptom. I finally stopped even that when I was on a week holiday. I was determined and decided that doing this while I was at home would be my best change. (I hate getting dizzy, crying in front of co-workers. At least by being home I figured if getting off the last bit of AD's was gonna freak me out, I wanted to do it in the privacy of my own home!
Oh yeah. The baby hallucenations? The bad thoughts? I am ashamed to admit them and very, very shocked that it happened. Anyone who knows me knows how heavily I'm involved in animal rights, animal rescue, groups (PETA, WSPA, Humane Societies, etc). About 6 weeks ago I started "visualizing" myself kicking my two gorgeous, loving boxers and smacking my cats around. But then again, I know I would never act on these thoughts. Several years ago doc tried my on Prozac and I became very aggressive and actually visualized myself stabbing my hubby to death. Scared the hell outta me, and got off the Proz real fast.
These visualizations and thoughts are (I thank god) starting to ease greatly. Hasn't happened in about 2 weeks. But when it was happening, wow.
My thoughts are with you. Prayer for you tonite. Be strong (I know, easier said than done) I have faith that even though it may take some time we shall all beat this hell.
Have faith in yourself and don't beat yourself up.
I've been down this road before. I beat the drugs before they beat me. If I can do you can. I'm not always the strongest person.
I've started yoga classes again and find they're helping me. The poses, the relaxation and meditation are helping with daily stress and giving me someting that almost resembles "energy" which lord knows, I haven't felt in years.
Take care sweetie. (And this is why they call me "gabmeister".) Keep posting.
>
> Well, I'm not gabmeister, but if you don't mind...I suggest EFT for the crying and whatever emotions you're feeling and maybe probiotics for your digestive system.
>
> JL
Posted by gabmeister on August 16, 2006, at 16:20:44
In reply to Re: I'm not afraid, I just don't wanna...., posted by over 55 on August 15, 2006, at 15:53:47
Hi again, just as I submitted my last post I remembered something else about the baby hallucenations.
I was frequently waking up throughout the nights and in the morning to see the walls actually "crawling" with spiders and large bugs. When ths started I actually would sit up and look at the walls very closely to see if the crawlies were real or not. Spiders freak me, but bugs in general don't. But when it looks like they're crawling all around you on the walls, it's not nice. UGH!
Posted by over 55 on August 17, 2006, at 9:09:35
In reply to Re: I'm not afraid, I just don't wanna...., posted by gabmeister on August 16, 2006, at 16:20:44
Thanks for sharing...and the encouragement too; I appreciate it!! I find myself "writing" long posts too. It is hard to express yourself in just a few lines. I am probably way too long for most people, but I get on a roll of feelings!!
Last night I actually trimmed a few branches off some trees, instead of falling exhausted on the couch after work. It had cooled off a bit here, so took advantage. Aren't glimpses of "energy" wonderful!! I hate that I am so tired all the time. Well, my colon is clean., I am eating healthier and taking some suppliments so maybe the energizer "bunny" will inhabit my body soon and I can keep on going and going !! Keep posting..I enjoy the updates.
Posted by gabmeister on August 19, 2006, at 8:41:20
In reply to Re: I'm not afraid, I just don't wanna...., posted by over 55 on August 17, 2006, at 9:09:35
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