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Posted by TheOutsider on July 20, 2004, at 12:43:19
To cut a long and depressing story short, I started getting anxiety out of no were back in November.
Since then I've continued to have anxiety and a lot of muscle tension.
The anxiety seems to have no relation to any actual worries or thoughts I am having.This seems to suggest to me that there might be some sort of biological cause, like a nutrient defficiency.
Am I right?
I already take Magnesium citrate and a B supplement, I also exersise.
Any input apreciated!
Posted by simus on July 20, 2004, at 23:00:03
In reply to Anxiety-Could this be a defficiency?, posted by TheOutsider on July 20, 2004, at 12:43:19
Food additives and artificial sweeters could be part of the problem. Just an idea...
Posted by enjay on August 14, 2004, at 3:42:37
In reply to Anxiety-Could this be a defficiency?, posted by TheOutsider on July 20, 2004, at 12:43:19
Hi there
Do you find that the Magnesium helps as I have just started taking it ?
If so, how much do you take ?
Thanks
Posted by Larry Hoover on August 17, 2004, at 9:38:15
In reply to Re: Anxiety-Could this be a defficiency?, posted by enjay on August 14, 2004, at 3:42:37
> Hi there
> Do you find that the Magnesium helps as I have just started taking it ?
> If so, how much do you take ?
> ThanksYes, anxiety and magnesium do a little dance together. Magnesium helps suppress anxiety, but anxiety causes magnesium to be flushed into the urine (an unfortunate consequence of adrenaline release).
If you're chronically anxious, you should gradually build up to whatever amount your body can tolerate (could be 500 mg or 1,000 mg per day). The problem with magnesium supplements is that they can cause diarrhea, so you have to build the dose carefully. Your body becomes more tolerant to magnesium the longer you take it. If you get diarrhea, cut the dose by 1/4 or 1/3, wait a couple weeks, and increase it again. You should then tolerate that dose. Keep going, until your body doesn't tolerate it (or until you hit 1,000 mg or so).
You also have to make sure you're getting enough vitamin D. 80% of North Americans are deficient in vitamin D. Minimum 400 IU/day. Better, 1,000 IU/day.
Also, anxiety often responds to the specific form of vitamin B-3 called niacinamide (also called by the older name nicotinamide). If you see the part -amide, you have the right stuff. Up to 2,000 mg/day, in divided doses. If you use niacinamide, make sure you also take a B-complex.
Lar
Posted by enjay on August 19, 2004, at 4:16:19
In reply to Re: Anxiety-Could this be a defficiency? » enjay, posted by Larry Hoover on August 17, 2004, at 9:38:15
Hi Lar, thanks for your reply
When you mention 1000mg of Magnesium per day are you talking about elemental magnesium ? ( In my 500mg Magnesium tablets there is only 100mg of elemental )
Also what type of Magnesium is likely to be contained in Amino Acid Chelated Magnesium ( the manufacturer is unable to advise me )
Thanks in advance
Enjay
Posted by Larry Hoover on August 19, 2004, at 10:22:54
In reply to Re: Anxiety-Could this be a defficiency?, posted by enjay on August 19, 2004, at 4:16:19
> Hi Lar, thanks for your reply
> When you mention 1000mg of Magnesium per day are you talking about elemental magnesium ? ( In my 500mg Magnesium tablets there is only 100mg of elemental )Minerals I mention are always elemental. The different forms vary so much in mineral content, that's the only way you can compare them properly.
> Also what type of Magnesium is likely to be contained in Amino Acid Chelated Magnesium ( the manufacturer is unable to advise me )
> Thanks in advance
> EnjayThe type is amino-acid chelated magnesium. I'm not sure I grasp what you're after.
Lar
Posted by enjay on August 19, 2004, at 16:39:49
In reply to Re: Anxiety-Could this be a defficiency? » enjay, posted by Larry Hoover on August 19, 2004, at 10:22:54
Thanks Larry for your reply
Excuse my ignorance on the magnesium type.
From what I've read Magnesium Glycinate and Taurate are well regarded. How does Amino Acid Chelated Magnesium compare to those 2 types ?
Thanks again
Enjay
Posted by Larry Hoover on August 22, 2004, at 10:03:24
In reply to Re: Anxiety-Could this be a defficiency?, posted by enjay on August 19, 2004, at 16:39:49
> Thanks Larry for your reply
> Excuse my ignorance on the magnesium type.
> From what I've read Magnesium Glycinate and Taurate are well regarded. How does Amino Acid Chelated Magnesium compare to those 2 types ?
> Thanks again
> EnjayAmino acid chelated could be just about anything. Probably just uses whey protein or soya protein. If it specifies the amino acid, you can select for the dual-action of the magnesium and the chelator. For example, both magnesium and taurine are calming. Double whammy, if you know both bits.
Lar
Posted by enjay on August 24, 2004, at 4:10:17
In reply to Re: Anxiety-Could this be a defficiency? » enjay, posted by Larry Hoover on August 22, 2004, at 10:03:24
Thanks Larry
How would high dose magnesium compare to low dose benzo in terms of anti anxiety effect ?
Thanks again
Posted by Larry Hoover on August 28, 2004, at 8:22:43
In reply to Re: Anxiety-Could this be a defficiency?, posted by enjay on August 24, 2004, at 4:10:17
> Thanks Larry
> How would high dose magnesium compare to low dose benzo in terms of anti anxiety effect ?
> Thanks againThat's a very personal characteristic. Your body may vary, ya know?
You may want to consider using taurine. My own experience has been similar to another's, and she has withdrawn from long-term clonazepam. We use slightly different language, but I think the effect itself is quite similar. Taurine makes me feel like I don't need a benzo, rather than I took a benzo. The need goes away, and not the same way it does from a drug. Remarkable, really.
Taurine at 2 grams seems to be my own benchmark dose. My friend uses a bit less, but I weigh twice as much, nearly. You can't hurt yourself with taurine, so maybe it's a 'freebie' i.e. safe supplement?
Chemically, taurine is the sulphonic acid analog of the carboxylic acid, GABA. It also has a similar effect on brain chemistry, being generally inhibitory. There are taurine reuptake pumps in every synapse, so your brain is quite prepared to use this stuff.
Lar
Posted by enjay on August 28, 2004, at 18:25:14
In reply to Re: Anxiety-Could this be a defficiency? » enjay, posted by Larry Hoover on August 28, 2004, at 8:22:43
Thank you Larry for your Taurine suggestion
Do you take the amount you are taking in one dose or is it divided up ?
regards
Enjay
Posted by Larry Hoover on August 28, 2004, at 18:45:41
In reply to Re: Anxiety-Could this be a defficiency?, posted by enjay on August 28, 2004, at 18:25:14
> Thank you Larry for your Taurine suggestion
> Do you take the amount you are taking in one dose or is it divided up ?
> regards
> EnjaySingle dose. It lasts about 10 or 12 hours.
Lar
Posted by enjay on August 29, 2004, at 3:16:30
In reply to Re: Anxiety-Could this be a defficiency? » enjay, posted by Larry Hoover on August 28, 2004, at 18:45:41
Thank you again Larry for all your help
Kind regards
Enjay
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