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Dr. Bob is Robert Hsiung, MD,
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Posted by Dr. Bob on August 10, 2013, at 1:53:06
In reply to I tried not to do this, posted by Dinah on August 9, 2013, at 12:49:10
> I felt very hurt by your words and lashed out. I expect 10der and Twinleaf may have felt hurt as well. I think maybe we don't feel heard or respected. I would hate to see this all snowball.
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> Perhaps you could remember that those who stuck by you so loyally weren't in on your decision to change, and are confused and hurt by your decisions. I *think* that they are more likely to respond well to a frank and open discussion about what you intend for Babble, even if there is no agreement.I'd also hate for this to snowball. That's one reason I posted the PBC. People are more likely to be heard and respected if they're civil.
I understand that change is hard for everyone. I've been trying to discuss this change frankly and openly.
> all I can *do* to change anything is to distance myself when I can't like what is happening. Other people may be able to achieve a wider range of emotional response.
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> Butting my head against the solid rock of Bob and expecting anything but a sore head hurts no one but me.
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> Have no hope. Hope hurts.> I'm sorry if my attempt to encourage hopelessness caused anyone any pain. Hopelessness, in some situations, has served me well.
On the one hand, you could say I was encouraging hopelessness myself by reposting Tabitha's post. OTOH, you could also frame "hopelessness" as the serenity to accept the things you cannot change.
Bob
Posted by Lou Pilder on August 10, 2013, at 5:52:46
In reply to Re: Oversight., posted by Toph on July 3, 2013, at 17:07:30
> I am not a regular poster here anymore sadly, so I don't feel competent to give you the details you request. One specific I am familiar with is obtaining restraining orders at work for my clients who are harassed by others. It seems to me that regardless of intention Lou often harasses posters who seek advice regarding psychotropic medication with his strident beliefs about these meds. His associations between parents treating children and infanticide is agregiously hurtful. Orders of Protection in my world last 4 years and unfortunately have limited effect in protecting victims from people with little regard for the law. Blocks have been effective here when used judiciously, consistently and as a last resort. I would hope that there would be means of involving the community in this process though I'm afraid I can't offer a suitable model off the top of my head.
Toph,
You wrote,[...Lou often harrasses..his association between parents treating children and infanticide..].
You have posted here about me. What you have written about me could harm my reputation and induce disagreeable opinions and feelings about me for what you wrote could be thought to be true unless you post the URLs to the posts that you use to make such claimes about me here so that I could have the opportunity to post my response to you.
There is no association between infanticide and parents treating children posted by me. The word infanticide concerns new-born children killed usually at birth. The subject was not about new-born children here killled at birth, and the fact that some members here are ignorant of the meaning of the word infanticide, does not mean that it was my intention to mean the poster or the poster's child who was a teenager, not an infant. The aspect of the use of the ancient concept to justify infanticide, which is that the state is doing what will be good for the whole by killing the infants that do not meet the state's criteria to live, is what was in question if you examine that thread that you are referring to. The justification is only in the murderer's minds, which means that the murderers can overule their crime on the basis that what is right or wrong is not the criteria for murderering, but what will be good for the community as a whole is their criteria. Since those that use that mind-set to justify murder of infants do not know what will happen in the future, even if it was not good for he commmunity as a whole to murder infants as found out later, they can still justify in their minds that they did right, even though children were murdererd. So right and wrong in the minds of those that say that they can commit genocide, infanticide, segregation, slavery and discrimination on the grounds that even though people are murdered or abused, it will be good for the community as a whole to murder infants, commit genocide, slavery or segregation and discrimination, that type of thinking has been ruled in the past to be a crime against humanity. And when convicted war-criminals were given their last chance to speak while they stood on the gallows, many said that they did was what would be good for their country. They justified mass-murder in their minds to their deaths. I thought that type of thinking was eradicated years ago. And when it raises it's head anyware, I'll be there. And when people post here about me, I'll be there. And when people try to justify discrimination on the basis that it will be good for their communty as a whole, I'll be there. And it has been revealed to me that there will be a day when those murdered, those enslaved, those discriminated upon by those that justified their murdering and slavery and discrimination on the basis that they were doing what would be good for their community as a whole, that they will be confronted by those that they murdererd, by those that they enslaved, by those that they abused by discriminating upon them, and they will see them one more time again, to see that their lives were more valuable then what the murderers and the slave owners and those that abused their power to discriminate, put ahead of their lives and took their lives and their souls. And in That Day when those murders, those slave owners, those using their power to discriminate, have their chance to speak to those that they abused, I'll be there. And I see you, my friend, posting this (expeltive) about me here. I see that I do not have the opportunity to respond to your (expletive) about me unless you post the URls of the posts that you used to post what you have about me here. I want them posted so that I can post my response to you.
Lou
Posted by Partlycloudy on August 10, 2013, at 7:25:17
In reply to Re: Probably should change subject, posted by alexandra_k on August 9, 2013, at 18:21:38
> aw. i've missed you too. i wonder about susan47... and jai. jai narayan. i wonder what happened to jai... i remember she used to complain about being old. i hope that is still the case.
So many people have simply moved on. I have never completely let go, lurking here. I think I can't get involved in Administrative issues because they rile me up so much. I get thrown into a state of responding to the situation that is way out of proportion.
It doesn't mean I don't care. I finally figured out what was making me ill about the site. That and putting all the responsibility on Dr Bob's shoulders.
PC
Posted by Lou Pilder on August 10, 2013, at 8:08:43
In reply to Irony, posted by Dinah on July 5, 2013, at 9:48:09
> The really sad part of this is that most of the people I see recently saying things that might be hurtful to Lou, myself included, don't want to hurt Lou at all. We'd happily include Lou as part of the community. But things like including "infanticide" in the subject line, and other incidents of exaggeration, over-generalization, and accusation, are things that ought to be addressed by Bob, so that the posters can be in relative amity with each other.
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> IMO, that is part of what it means to be an administrator.D,
You wrote,[...infanticide...other incidents of exaggeration, overgeneralization and accusation...]
You have used me as the subject person here. What you posted about me could induce hostile opinions and feelings toward me and harm my reputation since readers could think that your claims about me are true when in fact, there are no posts in referrence to support your claim about me here.
The word infanticide has nothing to do with those in the thread you are referring to, for just because some people are ignorant of the meaning of the word, that does not mean that I intended to use it toward the poster. Infanticide is historically the murdering of infants by the state and the murderers justify to themselves what they do by saying that it will be good for their state in the future to kill new-borns. The subject in the post in question was not a new-born, but a teenager. This was explained even though the word means what it means and I do not think that I have to explain that, but I did anyway. The word is used for my purposes as an index word in the subject line to enter it in a catalog of posts that I have for my purposes.
But you have included the other claims about what I post here that I need to have those posts visible so that I can respond to you so people are not led to believe that what you write about me is true. I want to see these posts here so that I can post from my perspective so that readers are not left with only your claim about me here. Please post the URLs so that I can show the context of your claim about me here and show my side of this so that readers can make their own decision as to if or if not what you claim about me is true or not.
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on August 10, 2013, at 8:32:15
In reply to Re: posters who could use support » Dr. Bob, posted by Dinah on July 5, 2013, at 16:01:04
> > What makes this rewarding for me is "wins" like posters finding that they're stronger than they thought.
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> So you find it rewarding that a poster here and there are strong enough to continue posting in the face of the pain they receive at your website? Well...
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> I don't see it as a "win" for the website though, other than of course the site is better off than if the poster left. It's more a "win" for the poster. What did you have to do with it? Do you feel pride in it?
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> > I believe I'm hearing posters say it's tough to keep going with Lou around. I wonder what would make this rewarding for them.
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> I believe I hear you saying they are going to have to continue to see Lou continue posting as he is currently posting because you have no intention of enforcing rules on accusations and exaggerations and overgeneralizations? That they're going to have to learn to find intrinsic rewards in continuing to battle Lou? Thank you for making that clear. That makes me feel sad.
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> > Posters can focus on:
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> > 1. posters who could use support
> > 2. Lou
> > 3. me
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> > Which is more likely to be effective? Rewarding?
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> Apparently the latter two are totally ineffective. I generally have been choosing
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> 4.) things in life other than Babble. I'm rather proud of my strength in being able to do that more and more. You are free to take pride in that if you wish, as you certainly have played a role in giving me that strength. I spent nearly a month without looking at the site!! Congratulations on generating that strength in me.
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> > I understand feeling frustrated, or resentful, or even angry, at what causes hurt.
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> > Bob
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> Why resentful? Frustrated and angry I understand.Friends,
If you are concerned about your mental-health, I am asking you to examine the post that I am responding to and see how I am raised to be held in a manner of (redacted by respondent). And do you know where this (expletive) comes from? And do you know what psychologists say could happen to you if you participate with those that are using me as a subject person here?
I intend to show a video presentaion by a psychologist to bring this out for you later. In the mean time, be advised that there are prohibitions to me from Mr Hsiung that prevent me from responding to the claims made against me here and I am following those prohibitions. When and if those that post about me here ever list the URLs of the posts that they are using against me here, then you could see my side of this and the context that they are used. Also be advised that I am not afforded the same protection here of the use of the notification policy to notify of posts that could harm me. You can see years of outstanding notifications/requests from me to Mr Hsiung and he states that he will attend to notifications WITH THE EXCEPTION OF SOME OF LOU'S. This leaves me at a great disadvantage to have protection for me here and I have a shield to deflect the stones thrown at me, but not those thrown when my back is turned. I am asking readers that see this (expletive) that is plainly visible to
Posted by Lou Pilder on August 10, 2013, at 8:44:34
In reply to Re: posters who could use support » Dr. Bob, posted by zazenducke on July 5, 2013, at 16:05:05
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> Lou's obviously being used as a scapegoat. But I am sure you know that, don't you?
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> Friends,
Here a member states that it is plainly visible what is going on here concerning people posting about me here. And do you know the psychology behind what is posted about me here? And do you know what can happen to your mental-health if you go along with what is being posted about me here?
Now Mr Hsiung states that it may be good to see that my notifications do not have to be responded to. And he states that it may be good for him and the community as a whole to leave some of my notifications outstanding. I want to know what that "good" is. If you think you know what the "good" is, take this opportunity to post here what you think it is.
Lou
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Posted by Larry Hoover on August 10, 2013, at 12:10:29
In reply to Re: Trying to practice what I've been preaching, posted by Dr. Bob on August 6, 2013, at 23:11:55
> Quick action on their part could, however, preclude many problems.
What quick action might that be, Bob? Do you expect us to somehow unring the bell? Or, go "La La La", and act like nothing happened?
> > Why don't you create a poll about what your community wants? Why don't you find out if e.g. over-exaggeration is acceptable to the community, or not?
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> Because I'm your leader, not your servant.A leader in name only, who doesn't care what his community thinks. Got it. Ya. Ya. Your sandbox. But it isn't a sandbox, Bob.
I haven't read every post, but I've sampled a cross-section of posters and threads, and I keep seeing the same thing....requests for clarity on what your vision is, and how it will work. Can you not tell us that? If you think that you have, I'm telling you plainly that you have utterly failed.
Bob, I've been away a while, and some of my most unfavourable memories of you had faded away. But now I am fully congizant of just how difficult you are to converse with.
I don't think I have a problem with either reading the written word, or expressing myself in that format. But you have the most elastic and distorted use of words that I have ever encountered. Somehow, you make a word mean whatever you want it to mean. You seem to take perverse pleasure in ripping another person's words out of context (we arrange sentences into paragraphs for a reason), twisting those abstracted words just so, and trying to make them mean something else. Or, when asked a pointed question, your reply frequently conveys no meaning whatsoever, if you even bother to answer. Answering a question with a question is not an answer at all. But, perhaps worse is the not bothering to answer part.
I'm choosing my battles all right. And this is not how I wish to spend my time.
To all of the posters here, I want to sincerely apologize for my own situation. I want to be supportive. I really do. But I can't tolerate the structure as it has become. Babble has become an unhealthy place, for me. I can't just take part of it, and ignore the rest. It's all or nothing, and I'm choosing nothing.
Somehow, things have changed here dramatically, and yet nothing has changed. I'm sure Bob can explain that better than I can. <sarcasm>
See ya. I'll just keep my fond memories of y'all, and wish you all the best.
Lar
Posted by 10derheart on August 10, 2013, at 12:32:32
In reply to Re: Trying to practice what I've been preaching » Dr. Bob, posted by Larry Hoover on August 10, 2013, at 12:10:29
Don't you dare take this wrong....but I almost wish you hadn't come back...just to leave again. :-(
I get it, but I don't have to like it. Prob *feels* too similar to how I feel/felt toward people that have hurt me most, off boards, (mostly one misguided, fool-of-an-ex-therapist) which has **nothing** to do with you personally, it's, in essence, transference, I suppose.
Sigh. Well, maybe you'll modify your stance and drop by for some hit and run posting on Psych or Social or Meds someday...that would rock.
a hug to you (((Larry))) -- 10der
PS -- Butter tarts....mmmmmmmmmmm
Posted by tensor on August 10, 2013, at 13:50:02
In reply to It is gone far beyond theorectical now, Dr. Bob, posted by 10derheart on June 30, 2013, at 11:37:12
Banning users is currently ineffective. It's too easy to create a new account. Multiple violations should lead to permanent ban. Banning a single IP-address is usually effective but can also be bypassed with several (easy) techniques.
Perhaps the most effective way is moderating each user registration, and/or ban the usage of free e-mail accounts like hotmail and gmail, this would not apply to existing users though./tensor
Posted by Partlycloudy on August 10, 2013, at 15:34:10
In reply to :-(( » Larry Hoover, posted by 10derheart on August 10, 2013, at 12:32:32
> Don't you dare take this wrong....but I almost wish you hadn't come back...just to leave again. :-(
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> I get it, but I don't have to like it. Prob *feels* too similar to how I feel/felt toward people that have hurt me most, off boards, (mostly one misguided, fool-of-an-ex-therapist) which has **nothing** to do with you personally, it's, in essence, transference, I suppose.
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> Sigh. Well, maybe you'll modify your stance and drop by for some hit and run posting on Psych or Social or Meds someday...that would rock.
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> a hug to you (((Larry))) -- 10der
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> PS -- Butter tarts....mmmmmmmmmmmDitto!
Posted by Phillipa on August 10, 2013, at 20:22:16
In reply to Lou's response- » Toph, posted by Lou Pilder on August 10, 2013, at 5:52:46
Lou did you just write some posters are ignorant? That is judgemental and in my opinion deserves a sanction by Dr Bob
Posted by Phillipa on August 10, 2013, at 20:26:54
In reply to Lou's response- » Dinah, posted by Lou Pilder on August 10, 2013, at 8:08:43
Lou you just wrote the same some are ignorant. I take offence to thinking that you may feel I am ignorant? Phillipa
Posted by Dr. Bob on August 11, 2013, at 1:39:58
In reply to Re: Trying to practice what I've been preaching » Dr. Bob, posted by Larry Hoover on August 10, 2013, at 12:10:29
> A leader in name only, who doesn't care what his community thinks.
Please don't post anything that could lead others to feel accused or put down.
More information about posting policies and tips on alternative ways to express yourself, including a link to a nice post by Dinah on I-statements, are in the FAQ:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#enforceFollow-ups regarding these issues, as well as replies to the above post, should of course themselves be civil.
Thanks,
Bob
Posted by Toph on August 12, 2013, at 15:18:04
In reply to Lou's response- » Toph, posted by Lou Pilder on August 10, 2013, at 5:52:46
> ...And I see you, my friend, posting this (expeltive) about me here. I see that I do not have the opportunity to respond to your (expletive) about me unless you post the URls of the posts that you used to post what you have about me here. I want them posted so that I can post my response to you.
> LouI will not even try to list all the times you have implied that anyone who uses psychotropic medications is foolish or a bad parent, instead I'll talk about me. You asserted that I should not take lithium for my bipolar I disorder. That instead your religious beliefs would free me of the harm lithium is doing to my body and cure me of whatever mental illness symptoms I may have. Let me say this my friend in a way you can understand - your advice to me is worth the (expletive) that comes out your White Horse's (expletive). I have shared here before that I have spent numerous times in the hospital with psychotic mania until I started regularly taking this simple salt lithium. Yes, I had to be careful of my kidneys and my thyroid, but 40 years of use later those organs are doing fine as I am about to retire comfortably from my career. My occupation, my marriage and my family I owe in large part to this simple salt. Everytime you attempt to scare someone away from litium who needs it you piss me off, and I'm sure you can imagine how I feel about you when you suggest I don't know what I am doing by taking this medication.
Posted by Lou Pilder on August 12, 2013, at 21:20:15
In reply to Re: Lou's response- » Lou Pilder, posted by Toph on August 12, 2013, at 15:18:04
> > ...And I see you, my friend, posting this (expeltive) about me here. I see that I do not have the opportunity to respond to your (expletive) about me unless you post the URls of the posts that you used to post what you have about me here. I want them posted so that I can post my response to you.
> > Lou
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> I will not even try to list all the times you have implied that anyone who uses psychotropic medications is foolish or a bad parent, instead I'll talk about me. You asserted that I should not take lithium for my bipolar I disorder. That instead your religious beliefs would free me of the harm lithium is doing to my body and cure me of whatever mental illness symptoms I may have. Let me say this my friend in a way you can understand - your advice to me is worth the (expletive) that comes out your White Horse's (expletive). I have shared here before that I have spent numerous times in the hospital with psychotic mania until I started regularly taking this simple salt lithium. Yes, I had to be careful of my kidneys and my thyroid, but 40 years of use later those organs are doing fine as I am about to retire comfortably from my career. My occupation, my marriage and my family I owe in large part to this simple salt. Everytime you attempt to scare someone away from litium who needs it you piss me off, and I'm sure you can imagine how I feel about you when you suggest I don't know what I am doing by taking this medication.Friends,
This may be the most important posts that you will ever read,provided the rule of three does not apply, for what I am going to say here could mark the difference between you being a live person or a corpse, or have a life-ruining condition or addiction prevented. You see, I am replying to:
[...You asserted...That..your religious beliefs would free me of the harm lithium is doing to my body and cure me of whatever mental illness symptoms I may have...].
Now there are two parts to what I am replying to. One is being freed from the harm of lithium(or any other drug) and the other is to cure whatever mental illness symptoms one may have.
Now I can not promiss that after hearing me one that had a leg lost would grow a new leg, nor would someone with cancer be cured. But there is healing in what I am here to tell you and there is curing symptoms of mental illness}, but I would not call {mental illness} by that name.
You see, it has been revealed to me what these symptoms are and how one gets them. And if I know how one gets them, then I know how those with these symptoms can be released from the captivity of them. And once one is delivered from the bondage of these symptoms, healing can start and be cured of the effects from the captivity, just as one was living in a life of darkness and then was rescued out of the darkness and came into a life of light, there would be a healing period.
I am prevented from posting here how one could be healed of these symptoms, and be cured from damage from mind-altering drugs and be made free from the addiction that these drugs can induce. This involves not working on the mind that you have, that may be damaged from psychotropic drugs,but by receiving a new mind, a new heart and a new spirit. And then a power will be given to you to overcome all things, including these symptoms. I am prevented from posting here how one could be cured due to the prohibitions posted to me here by Mr Hsiung. This would come from a Jewish perspective as revealed to me. Toph has written here about the white horse. The white horse is a symbol of conquering. And one can conquer the enemy that is within and be made free from the prison that their mind may be in. And as I read about the nightmares of members posting here that they are in, I am prevented from posting how they could be made free. Oh, the horrors of it all.
Lou
Posted by SLS on August 13, 2013, at 6:10:59
In reply to Lou's response-wythorz » Toph, posted by Lou Pilder on August 12, 2013, at 21:20:15
> This may be the most important posts that you will ever read,provided the rule of three does not apply,
Administrative question:
I don't understand. Why would the rule of three not apply to Lou Pilder?
- Scott
Posted by Toph on August 13, 2013, at 9:10:30
In reply to Lou's response-wythorz » Toph, posted by Lou Pilder on August 12, 2013, at 21:20:15
> ...This involves not working on the mind that you have, that may be damaged from psychotropic drugs, but by receiving a new mind, a new heart and a new spirit. And then a power will be given to you to overcome all things, including these symptoms...
> LouI am insulted Lou that you think that I need a new mind, a new heart and a new spirit. Personally, I think if we met I would give you a new face.
Posted by Lou Pilder on August 17, 2013, at 13:33:53
In reply to Re: Lou's response-wythorz, posted by Toph on August 13, 2013, at 9:10:30
Friends,
If you are an interested reader here, I am requesting tat you read the following post.
Lou
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20130702/msgs/1049210.html
Posted by Lou Pilder on August 19, 2013, at 5:19:01
In reply to Re: Lou's response-wythorz, posted by Toph on August 13, 2013, at 9:10:30
> > ...This involves not working on the mind that you have, that may be damaged from psychotropic drugs, but by receiving a new mind, a new heart and a new spirit. And then a power will be given to you to overcome all things, including these symptoms...
> > Lou
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> I am insulted Lou that you think that I need a new mind, a new heart and a new spirit. Personally, I think if we met I would give you a new face.Friends,
If you are following this situation that I find myself here, and you do not understand how hate could be fostered in a community, I am requesting that you pay heed to this thread. If you could, then I think that more understanding of the dynamics of hate could help those wanting to being freed from depression and addiction.
Many of you may already know that there are two standards here admitted to by Mr. Hsiung when he states that he will follow his TOS in relation to responding to notifications from members, but gives himself the option to respond or not to my notifications to him. He then states that it may be good to see that my notifications do not have to be responded to. This means that I could become a victim of violence because hate could flourish as a result of my notifications not being responded to, and Mr Hsiung states here that it may be *good* that my posts do not have to be responded to, which are generally the reminders to outstanding notifications that have gone on for years here. What may be good is not specified by Mr. Hsiung. But one can see what is plainly visible and no one has to point I out to them.
Now this *good* that Mr. Hsiung alludes to here could be thought to be a lot of things since he does not specify what the good is that could come out of not responding to me here. What could happen when my posts are not responded to is that what is seen could be thought to be supportive because it is standing unsanctioned. This could lead to some readers being indoctrinated to adopt hate as being supportive. It has been revealed to me that hate could not only cause one to be depressed, but could shackle one already depressed into a prison of thoughts to kill themselves and/or others.
Mr Hsiung does not disagree with me in what can be seen in a post where we discussed that dynamic here, yet today, hate can abound here when the fire of hate is still burning. My notifications could quench the fire of hate here, and if they remain not responded to by Mr. Hsiung, then the fire of hate could spread, and if you do not flee from it, you could be reduced to ashes, the ashes of depression of the soul, the ashes of hate.
Those that want to subject me to fear of violence and bodily harm may not understand what could happen to their soul by attempting to bully me. And as long as my posts to Mr Hsiung remain outstanding, he says that it may be good that my posts do not have to be responded to. I see it as destruction to the efforts of those that want to be free from depression, for it has been revealed to me that the fire hate can cause depression, and that depression could spread as long as the fire is still burning.
I would like for readers here to examine the following with great scrutiny to see the depth of what is said to me here by Mr Hsiung. Then you could make your own determination as to if you want to be party to what is being fostered here as supportive.
Lou
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20130109/msgs/1044862.html
Posted by homelycygnet on August 25, 2013, at 16:25:21
In reply to Re: Lou's response-wythorz, posted by Toph on August 13, 2013, at 9:10:30
you're mean toph. i don't know if you need a new heart but you sure need a bigger one.
> > ...This involves not working on the mind that you have, that may be damaged from psychotropic drugs, but by receiving a new mind, a new heart and a new spirit. And then a power will be given to you to overcome all things, including these symptoms...
> > Lou
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> I am insulted Lou that you think that I need a new mind, a new heart and a new spirit. Personally, I think if we met I would give you a new face.
Posted by Lou Pilder on August 26, 2013, at 7:58:34
In reply to posting threats? aren't you special? » Toph, posted by homelycygnet on August 25, 2013, at 16:25:21
> you're mean toph. i don't know if you need a new heart but you sure need a bigger one.
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> > > ...This involves not working on the mind that you have, that may be damaged from psychotropic drugs, but by receiving a new mind, a new heart and a new spirit. And then a power will be given to you to overcome all things, including these symptoms...
> > > Lou
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> > I am insulted Lou that you think that I need a new mind, a new heart and a new spirit. Personally, I think if we met I would give you a new face.homelycygnet,
You wrote in your subject line,[...posting threats...].
I don't claim to be a clairvoyant, but what can be seen can be seen to have the potential to me being a victim of anti-Semitic violence. This is all because the readers here are not allowed to hear from me in relation to that I am prevented from posting here from a Jewish perspective as revealed to me due to the prohibitions posted to me here by Mr Hsiung. This could IMHHHO arose anti-Semitic feelings against me, in particular when you see what has the potential to be considered to be supportive here by the nature of the policy of Mr. Hsiung that he does not wait to put out a spark that could cause a forest fire. The fire of hatred toward the Jews, if stoked here,IMHHO has the potential to allow readers to be persuaded to think what is supportive is that Jews can be subjected to hate here unrestrained. And the historical paralles to this, I am prevented from posting here to inform the readers as to how hate is fostered in a community. And it is so easy to persuade the uninformed. It's so easy.
Here is a post from here that has a want from me for Mr Hsiung to stop the hate against the Jews and others from being promulgated here. The fire of hate spreads fast here when it is allowed to burn. And when the furnace of hate is stoked by those that carry 'round a fire hose and do not turn it on, then readers could think that hate is supportive. I ask Mr Hsiung in the following post to declare if what could arouse hatred toward the Jews and others in the following post as to if it is supportive or not. No answer can be an answer. The fire is still burning.
Lou
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20120228/msgs/1020761.html
Posted by Lou Pilder on August 26, 2013, at 10:14:33
In reply to Lou's response-phyrofheyt » homelycygnet, posted by Lou Pilder on August 26, 2013, at 7:58:34
> > you're mean toph. i don't know if you need a new heart but you sure need a bigger one.
> >
> >
> > > > ...This involves not working on the mind that you have, that may be damaged from psychotropic drugs, but by receiving a new mind, a new heart and a new spirit. And then a power will be given to you to overcome all things, including these symptoms...
> > > > Lou
> > >
> > > I am insulted Lou that you think that I need a new mind, a new heart and a new spirit. Personally, I think if we met I would give you a new face.
>
> homelycygnet,
> You wrote in your subject line,[...posting threats...].
> I don't claim to be a clairvoyant, but what can be seen can be seen to have the potential to me being a victim of anti-Semitic violence. This is all because the readers here are not allowed to hear from me in relation to that I am prevented from posting here from a Jewish perspective as revealed to me due to the prohibitions posted to me here by Mr Hsiung. This could IMHHHO arose anti-Semitic feelings against me, in particular when you see what has the potential to be considered to be supportive here by the nature of the policy of Mr. Hsiung that he does not wait to put out a spark that could cause a forest fire. The fire of hatred toward the Jews, if stoked here,IMHHO has the potential to allow readers to be persuaded to think what is supportive is that Jews can be subjected to hate here unrestrained. And the historical paralles to this, I am prevented from posting here to inform the readers as to how hate is fostered in a community. And it is so easy to persuade the uninformed. It's so easy.
> Here is a post from here that has a want from me for Mr Hsiung to stop the hate against the Jews and others from being promulgated here. The fire of hate spreads fast here when it is allowed to burn. And when the furnace of hate is stoked by those that carry 'round a fire hose and do not turn it on, then readers could think that hate is supportive. I ask Mr Hsiung in the following post to declare if what could arouse hatred toward the Jews and others in the following post as to if it is supportive or not. No answer can be an answer. The fire is still burning.
> Lou
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20120228/msgs/1020761.html
>
> Friends,
Here are some links to posts here that I think could open your eyes to a situation that could be acknowledged if I was not prevented from posting here from a Jewish perspective as revealed to me.
But it is much more than that. For members can post here what IMHHHO could arouse anti-Semitic feelings and induce hostile disagreeable feelings against Jews, so that it is conceivable to me that Jews could be victims of anti-Semitic violence from readers here. Threats are just the beginning of sorrows for the Jews. But there is a greater threat when Judaism is purported to be a faith that is in a category of religions that are the worst, because they do not accept the claims of some sects of Christiandom allowed to be promulgated here as having the potential for readers to think that those claims are supportive. An understanding of this could be increased to readers if they knew what is known to be what is called {anti-Judaism}. You can look that up on your own if you like and see the historical horrors on your own that comes from that type of thinking promoted in a community, which is called {state-sponsored} anti-Semitism.
Let us look now at this:
Here are links that I would like for you to examine.
Lou
In the first link, there are two lists. The second list has what the poster calls the worst. In that list, look at number 5.
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20040729/msgs/378390.html
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20130109/msgs/1044738.html
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20040927/msgs/401643.html
Then:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20130109/msgs/1045350.html
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20120228/mshs/1020581.html
Posted by Lou Pilder on August 26, 2013, at 11:12:23
In reply to Lou's response-phyrofheyt-wurst?, posted by Lou Pilder on August 26, 2013, at 10:14:33
> > > you're mean toph. i don't know if you need a new heart but you sure need a bigger one.
> > >
> > >
> > > > > ...This involves not working on the mind that you have, that may be damaged from psychotropic drugs, but by receiving a new mind, a new heart and a new spirit. And then a power will be given to you to overcome all things, including these symptoms...
> > > > > Lou
> > > >
> > > > I am insulted Lou that you think that I need a new mind, a new heart and a new spirit. Personally, I think if we met I would give you a new face.
> >
> > homelycygnet,
> > You wrote in your subject line,[...posting threats...].
> > I don't claim to be a clairvoyant, but what can be seen can be seen to have the potential to me being a victim of anti-Semitic violence. This is all because the readers here are not allowed to hear from me in relation to that I am prevented from posting here from a Jewish perspective as revealed to me due to the prohibitions posted to me here by Mr Hsiung. This could IMHHHO arose anti-Semitic feelings against me, in particular when you see what has the potential to be considered to be supportive here by the nature of the policy of Mr. Hsiung that he does not wait to put out a spark that could cause a forest fire. The fire of hatred toward the Jews, if stoked here,IMHHO has the potential to allow readers to be persuaded to think what is supportive is that Jews can be subjected to hate here unrestrained. And the historical paralles to this, I am prevented from posting here to inform the readers as to how hate is fostered in a community. And it is so easy to persuade the uninformed. It's so easy.
> > Here is a post from here that has a want from me for Mr Hsiung to stop the hate against the Jews and others from being promulgated here. The fire of hate spreads fast here when it is allowed to burn. And when the furnace of hate is stoked by those that carry 'round a fire hose and do not turn it on, then readers could think that hate is supportive. I ask Mr Hsiung in the following post to declare if what could arouse hatred toward the Jews and others in the following post as to if it is supportive or not. No answer can be an answer. The fire is still burning.
> > Lou
> > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20120228/msgs/1020761.html
> >
> > Friends,
> Here are some links to posts here that I think could open your eyes to a situation that could be acknowledged if I was not prevented from posting here from a Jewish perspective as revealed to me.
> But it is much more than that. For members can post here what IMHHHO could arouse anti-Semitic feelings and induce hostile disagreeable feelings against Jews, so that it is conceivable to me that Jews could be victims of anti-Semitic violence from readers here. Threats are just the beginning of sorrows for the Jews. But there is a greater threat when Judaism is purported to be a faith that is in a category of religions that are the worst, because they do not accept the claims of some sects of Christiandom allowed to be promulgated here as having the potential for readers to think that those claims are supportive. An understanding of this could be increased to readers if they knew what is known to be what is called {anti-Judaism}. You can look that up on your own if you like and see the historical horrors on your own that comes from that type of thinking promoted in a community, which is called {state-sponsored} anti-Semitism.
> Let us look now at this:
> Here are links that I would like for you to examine.
> Lou
> In the first link, there are two lists. The second list has what the poster calls the worst. In that list, look at number 5.
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20040729/msgs/378390.html
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20130109/msgs/1044738.html
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20040927/msgs/401643.html
> Then:
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20130109/msgs/1045350.html
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20120228/mshs/1020581.html
>
>
Friends,
The corrections are that it is the second link that has the two lists. Then this link should have been:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20120228/msgs/1020581.html
Posted by fayeroe on September 3, 2013, at 19:31:50
In reply to posting threats? aren't you special? » Toph, posted by homelycygnet on August 25, 2013, at 16:25:21
> you're mean toph. i don't know if you need a new heart but you sure need a bigger one.
>
>
> > > ...This involves not working on the mind that you have, that may be damaged from psychotropic drugs, but by receiving a new mind, a new heart and a new spirit. And then a power will be given to you to overcome all things, including these symptoms...
> > > Lou
> >
> > I am insulted Lou that you think that I need a new mind, a new heart and a new spirit. Personally, I think if we met I would give you a new face.
Toph isn't mean. Toph is honest.
I would keep my eye on someone else here.
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 3, 2013, at 20:28:54
In reply to Re: posting threats? aren't you special? » homelycygnet, posted by fayeroe on September 3, 2013, at 19:31:50
> > you're mean toph. i don't know if you need a new heart but you sure need a bigger one.
> >
> >
> > > > ...This involves not working on the mind that you have, that may be damaged from psychotropic drugs, but by receiving a new mind, a new heart and a new spirit. And then a power will be given to you to overcome all things, including these symptoms...
> > > > Lou
> > >
> > > I am insulted Lou that you think that I need a new mind, a new heart and a new spirit. Personally, I think if we met I would give you a new face.
>
>
>
> Toph isn't mean. Toph is honest.
>
> I would keep my eye on someone else here.
>Fayeroe and friends,
Be advised that there are issues here that I need for you to know.
First, I know of two ways for one to overcome addiction and depression. One by human achievement and the other by divine accomplishment. The issue here in this post is that it is said to me by Toph that I think that he needs a new mind. That is not what I posted, and that is one issue involved here. I posted that what I am prevented from posting here due to the prohibitions posted to me by Mr. Hsiung, is that what I could post if not prevented, {... involves not working on the mind that you have...but by receiving a new mind and a new heart and a new spirit. And then a power would be given to you to overcome all things, even these symptoms...].
People could work on the mind that they have as a choice. They could take mind-altering drugs, do counseling, acupuncture, philosophy, meditation, et al. What I need to post here but can not, is how one could receive a new heart and a new mind and a new spirit. This would come from a Jewish perspective as revealed to me that is prohibited by Mr. Hsiung for me to post. And I am abiding by those prohibitions and post here under the same rules as others. I follow the no more than 3 consecutive post rule, I do not post the Jewish perspective as revealed to me that is prohibited, I keep a clean nose and don't use No-Doz, and I stay away from those that carry 'round a fire hose. I see here what goes and you don't need a weather man to know which way the wind blows.
Lou
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