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Dr. Bob is Robert Hsiung, MD,
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Posted by sukarno on October 29, 2012, at 16:08:00
In reply to Lou's response-moarlyz » Tabitha, posted by Lou Pilder on October 29, 2012, at 15:53:51
From now on, I'm going to sanction Lou for alleged infractions of the rules. I encourage others to copy and paste the rules as I'm doing each and every time someone violates the rules until Dr. Bob or an aide steps in to enforce them.
Lou said:
"Your "Dr Bob" is allowing you to inflict emotional distresss upon me"
"The fact that Dr Bob is allowing you to post harmfull statements insulting my thinking"
"What it does show is that if posting lies about another here is supportive, then lies are supportive here."
Please don't post anything that could lead others to feel accused or put down.
But please don't take this personally, either, this doesn't mean I don't like you or think you're a bad person, and I'm sorry if this hurts you.
I do hope that you choose to remain a member of this community and that members of this community help you, if needed, to avoid future blocks. If you want to be proactive, you could ask another poster to be your civility buddy:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#buddies
It's up to you to decide whom you interact with. Sometimes interacting with others may be frustrating, staying civil may be a challenge, and new skills may help. If you're open to developing new skills (which I realize may not be why you came in the first place), that's another way in which you may be supported by other posters.
More information about posting policies and tips on alternative ways to express yourself, including a link to a nice post by Dinah on I-statements, are in the FAQ:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#enforceFollow-ups regarding these issues should be redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration. They, as well as replies to the above post, should of course themselves be civil.
Posted by Lou Pilder on October 29, 2012, at 16:16:12
In reply to Re: Lou's response, posted by sukarno on October 29, 2012, at 12:19:32
> I don't see any conspiracy, anti-Semitism, fascism or anything wrong with what Dr. Bob said.
> You are reading too much into everything.
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> Dr. Bob doesn't roam around the forums telling them to stop their meds. I wonder who does that?
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> You think you have good intentions but what you are doing is potentially harmful or even fatal to others. Dr. Bob doesn't try to harm anyone. Who is more dangerous? Think about that for a moment.
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> If I was Dr. Bob or one of his "deputies" I wouldn't hesitate to ban you and your sidekick for life from this site given your decades-long rants and shock/scare tactics against the userbase which aren't grounded in any way whatsoever in science.
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> Fifteen minutes after you pop a Zyprexa you will find clarity, but until then this conversation is over because it's to the point where it is beating a dead horse or banging your head against a brick wall.
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> A lot of folks don't post, myself included, in psycho-babble when they see you have posted there. It's because they know it is another anti-medication, anti-psychiatry rant.
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> I also ask you to stop playing the race card. It's old dude. Grow up.Sukarno,
You wrote,[...roam around the forums telling people to stop their meds...].
Please do not post lies about me here. I do not roam around the forums telling people to stop their meds. On the contrary, I have posted over a over that when one stops their meds and are in the withdrawal phase, that they could kill themselves and/or others and even commit mass-murder. You see, I know what these drugs are made from and what they can do to the brain and nervous system and organs. Many are not new drugs, but just new names for reconfigrations of old drugs that there is a prohibition to me here from Mr Hsiung that prevents me from posting educational material to show that. I think that if there was not the prohibition, people could have the education from me and lives could be saved because people could know more about the drugs and thearfore make a more-informed decision as to take them or not. I want to save lives here by educating people about these drugs so that they can make their own decision as to take them or drug their child and such. There were 42,000 people or so killed by psychotropic drugs in one way or another just last year alone. There are many deaths of members here where the drugs killed them. And I think that by prohibiting and suppressing my perspective, which comes from a Jewish perspective, that people are denied the whole truth here from me.
So it is lie that I tell people to stop their meds. They could die if they do, or kill others. What I could do is offer those people a way to withdrawal from their drug so that they would not kill themselvs or others and I am prohibited by the nature of the prohibitions to me by Mr Hsiung to do that here.
Your "Dr Bob" allows you to post lies about me here. That does not make the lie true nor is it a sound mental-health practice to allow you to post the lie about me.
Lou
Posted by sukarno on October 29, 2012, at 16:55:00
In reply to Lou's reply-moarlyz » sukarno, posted by Lou Pilder on October 29, 2012, at 16:16:12
Lou said:
"Your "Dr Bob" allows you to post lies about me here."
Please don't post anything that could lead others to feel accused or put down.
But please don't take this personally, either, this doesn't mean I don't like you or think you're a bad person, and I'm sorry if this hurts you.
I do hope that you choose to remain a member of this community and that members of this community help you, if needed, to avoid future blocks. If you want to be proactive, you could ask another poster to be your civility buddy:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#buddies
It's up to you to decide whom you interact with. Sometimes interacting with others may be frustrating, staying civil may be a challenge, and new skills may help. If you're open to developing new skills (which I realize may not be why you came in the first place), that's another way in which you may be supported by other posters.
More information about posting policies and tips on alternative ways to express yourself, including a link to a nice post by Dinah on I-statements, are in the FAQ:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#enforceFollow-ups regarding these issues should be redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration. They, as well as replies to the above post, should of course themselves be civil.
Posted by Tabitha on October 29, 2012, at 17:19:49
In reply to Lou's response-moarlyz » Tabitha, posted by Lou Pilder on October 29, 2012, at 15:53:51
Well now I regret saying anything. It's hard for me to support the folks that are upset by the situation in a way that doesn't insult the person at the center of the controversy. That is why I normally don't read these threads or else stay silent.
Posted by Lou Pilder on October 29, 2012, at 17:46:08
In reply to Re: Lou's response-moarlyz, posted by Tabitha on October 29, 2012, at 17:19:49
> Well now I regret saying anything. It's hard for me to support the folks that are upset by the situation in a way that doesn't insult the person at the center of the controversy. That is why I normally don't read these threads or else stay silent.
Tabitha,
You wrote,[...to support the folks that are upset by the situation in a way that deosn't insult the person at the center of the controversy...].
Do you know what the controversy is? If so, what is it? If you could post here what it is? For just that is a controversy, that does not mean that anything is bad , but could be good. There is controversy about the shape of the earth. There was controversy about slavery. There was controversy about segregation. A controversy here is nothing new.
Lou
Posted by Dinah on October 29, 2012, at 20:07:02
In reply to Re: correction:: Lou's response-psashizm » Lou Pilder, posted by Phil on October 29, 2012, at 14:26:38
I wouldn't hold my breath. For all Lou's insistence about Dr. Bob defaming him, Dr. Bob has consistently taken the stance that Lou is free to post here. There did used to be a few rules on generalizations, but usually he let Lou go on in ways that would have been considered uncivil in others, IMO. Dr. Bob has allowed many to leave Babble in order to protect Lou's right to post here. He has always been consistent in protecting the right of the few or one, perhaps over the rights of the many. It makes me wonder what he's like as a psychiatrist.
Ironic isn't it? He watches quite a few people over the years leave because of the issues involved with Lou. And Dr. Bob is ok with them leaving if they can't be civil to Lou. And in return he gets accusation after accusation from Lou.
Were Dr. Bob actively monitoring this board, we'd be as guilty of incivility as Lou and perhaps more likely to be sanctioned. Tho I think even Dr. Bob would act with statements about vessels of excrement and the like. Had he any interest in moderating. Which he doesn't.
For myself, I don't mind Lou posting so far as he is civil. And while he hasn't been lately, neither have I. I do think the rules on generalizations should be enforced. But then, nothing is enforced.
I wish we could all come together and come up with a plan to protect newcomers and the vulnerable in ways that are respectful to Lou. But to be honest, I am thus far not overly impressed with the results of community vigilante justice in this instance. I'd rather see the meds board be about meds, I think.
Lou, this doesn't mean I dislike you or wish to foster hate against you. Like it or not, in these days and times, cultural standards are such that claims of the sort you make tend to make people very uncomfortable. And you do tend to accuse others in your zeal to get people off psych drugs. People don't take that well. Perhaps you see your presence in the middle of controversies on the board as religious persecution. I have other views.
Sigh. There is that within me that believes that if someone is so often the center of attention over a period of years, perhaps what's really called for is a total lack of attention. Just think of it. Now and then the board comes to a grinding halt to talk about Lou. Not to say he's consciously looking for that. I rather think he's not. But it certainly could give him the impression that he's more important than the average poster.
If Dr. Bob isn't going to moderate here, perhaps he could install an ignore button. We could just advise newcomers who seem upset to use it. What do people do when there's a streetcorner prophet in the neighborhood? My relative was committed, but that was another day and time. I think in today's world she may rights to prophecy.
Posted by Phillipa on October 29, 2012, at 20:40:09
In reply to Lou's response-contro, posted by Lou Pilder on October 29, 2012, at 17:46:08
Lou would you do me a favor? Meant in the kindest of ways. I have no idea how long ago you took that med that frightened you and caused tinnitus music in ears isn't it? Would just see a doctor maybe it can be repaired the hearing that is? Phillipa
Posted by Lou Pilder on October 29, 2012, at 21:15:42
In reply to Re: correction:: Lou's response-psashizm » Phil, posted by Dinah on October 29, 2012, at 20:07:02
> I wouldn't hold my breath. For all Lou's insistence about Dr. Bob defaming him, Dr. Bob has consistently taken the stance that Lou is free to post here. There did used to be a few rules on generalizations, but usually he let Lou go on in ways that would have been considered uncivil in others, IMO. Dr. Bob has allowed many to leave Babble in order to protect Lou's right to post here. He has always been consistent in protecting the right of the few or one, perhaps over the rights of the many. It makes me wonder what he's like as a psychiatrist.
>
> Ironic isn't it? He watches quite a few people over the years leave because of the issues involved with Lou. And Dr. Bob is ok with them leaving if they can't be civil to Lou. And in return he gets accusation after accusation from Lou.
>
> Were Dr. Bob actively monitoring this board, we'd be as guilty of incivility as Lou and perhaps more likely to be sanctioned. Tho I think even Dr. Bob would act with statements about vessels of excrement and the like. Had he any interest in moderating. Which he doesn't.
>
> For myself, I don't mind Lou posting so far as he is civil. And while he hasn't been lately, neither have I. I do think the rules on generalizations should be enforced. But then, nothing is enforced.
>
> I wish we could all come together and come up with a plan to protect newcomers and the vulnerable in ways that are respectful to Lou. But to be honest, I am thus far not overly impressed with the results of community vigilante justice in this instance. I'd rather see the meds board be about meds, I think.
>
> Lou, this doesn't mean I dislike you or wish to foster hate against you. Like it or not, in these days and times, cultural standards are such that claims of the sort you make tend to make people very uncomfortable. And you do tend to accuse others in your zeal to get people off psych drugs. People don't take that well. Perhaps you see your presence in the middle of controversies on the board as religious persecution. I have other views.
>
> Sigh. There is that within me that believes that if someone is so often the center of attention over a period of years, perhaps what's really called for is a total lack of attention. Just think of it. Now and then the board comes to a grinding halt to talk about Lou. Not to say he's consciously looking for that. I rather think he's not. But it certainly could give him the impression that he's more important than the average poster.
>
> If Dr. Bob isn't going to moderate here, perhaps he could install an ignore button. We could just advise newcomers who seem upset to use it. What do people do when there's a streetcorner prophet in the neighborhood? My relative was committed, but that was another day and time. I think in today's world she may rights to prophecy.D,
You wrote,
[...what's really called for is a total lack of attention (against Lou)...]
Please do not post here any statement that could be construed to make a call for the membership here to ignore or shun me. This could lead me to be stigmatized here and I think that it constitutes defamation toward me.
Now Mr Hsiung allows you to post that here but that does not ligitimize what your statement could convey to others.
Lou
Posted by Dinah on October 29, 2012, at 21:24:55
In reply to Lou's response-pstygmah » Dinah, posted by Lou Pilder on October 29, 2012, at 21:15:42
I think in an unmoderated board an ignore button might be a good thing.
Some people might use it on you, others wouldn't.
I actually don't think I would. At least not most of the time.
Posted by Phil on October 29, 2012, at 21:57:02
In reply to Re: correction:: Lou's response-psashizm » Phil, posted by Dinah on October 29, 2012, at 20:07:02
Well, when a mod that can be given authority to make decisions based on reality and not whatever Dr Bob operated on I'll be back.
I could ignore Lou in the past for the most part but he's gotten aggressive and hostile even to newcomers.
And I've changed my mind. While I don't dislike him, I really don't care for him. I'm not real fond of people not getting treatment that are batshit crazy, telling others to follow along.
This is Dr Bob's doing, a medical doctor, letting this go on. If there was an authority overseeing medical forums, I'd file a complaint against Dr Bob. If he practices medicine or teaches in the manner that he runs this forum someone should jerk his license.
I'm not in a good place, that's why I came here. I don't feel very comfortable posting about any issues here knowing that whatever I say will be attacked.
I'll find my support in real life and if I'm attacked they will have to say it to my face. I can consider the source and in a room full of mentals I think the truth about what's right or wrong will be discussed.
Lou Pilder has wrecked this place. I have to wonder if Dr Bob is afraid that Lou will follow him IRL if he had the b*lls to ban him.
The only way to survive this place is if nobody read his garbage spewing b*llsh*t and absolutely no one ever responded to any of his posts. No one. Total blackout. He's killed this place with religious hatred and unfounded accusations. This guy is no child of God. If Lou worshipped God and quietly listened, he would hear God whisper, you need help, I can't do it all. And you have no right to accuse innocent people of anything because Lou, it's my job to judge and those you hate, I love.
This situation will not get better. This forum has hurt more people than it's helped and someday is never going to come.
I want dignity amongst the chaos in my life, my life depends on it. I refuse to lower myself to hatred and ignorance and wait on a someday doc to come make it all better.
From my perspective and even with all my shortcomings, I'm a better man that Dr Bob and I'm a better man than Lou Pilder. What they have done here goes against everything I believe to be right.
I love so many peeps on this forum and I hope good wins out over the bad but if you want to know what will happen tomorrow, look at yesterday.
Posted by Dinah on October 29, 2012, at 22:54:52
In reply to Re: correction:: Lou's response-psashizm » Dinah, posted by Phil on October 29, 2012, at 21:57:02
Lou is a child of God. We all are.
I have to admit that I don't understand the anger at Lou personally. I can understand anger at his actions. It's perfectly understandable to expect to be treated with civility. But lack of insight is something a good many of us struggle with from time to time. And the more ill we are, the less insight we have. What is there in that to be angry with? The behaviors, yes, the situation most definitely.
I don't think it's particularly pleasant to be on Babble right now, or very healthy for everyone. I don't like unmoderated boards myself for that and many other reasons. If we as a board can't find a way to deal with something we can't control, then I can't see this as being a better place any time soon.
I hope you feel better soon, Phil. And I hope that when you're feeling a bit better, you'll feel better able to cope here if you wish to be with the folks on Babble. If it's better for you to be away, I certainly understand that too.
Take care, and be very careful with the medications that excite the nervous system. Can you call your pdoc?
Posted by jane d on October 29, 2012, at 22:55:20
In reply to Re: correction:: Lou's response-psashizm » Dinah, posted by Phil on October 29, 2012, at 21:57:02
> I love so many peeps on this forum and I hope good wins out over the bad but if you want to know what will happen tomorrow, look at yesterday.
So people will get some useful meds information along with some that's really bad. Also some good therapy information and some bad. They'll find some people whose stories really resonate with them and make them say "that's exactly what I always wanted to say if I could have found the words" and find others who leave them cold or totally disgust them. If they are lucky they'll find some very good friends and they'll likely find some other people they could happily live without forever. Just like always.
Whether you think that ends up being a good experience overall or a bad one is personal. For me, most days I'd call it mostly good.
Posted by Lou Pilder on October 30, 2012, at 5:59:42
In reply to Re: correction:: Lou's response-psashizm » Dinah, posted by Phil on October 29, 2012, at 21:57:02
> Well, when a mod that can be given authority to make decisions based on reality and not whatever Dr Bob operated on I'll be back.
>
> I could ignore Lou in the past for the most part but he's gotten aggressive and hostile even to newcomers.
>
> And I've changed my mind. While I don't dislike him, I really don't care for him. I'm not real fond of people not getting treatment that are batshit crazy, telling others to follow along.
>
> This is Dr Bob's doing, a medical doctor, letting this go on. If there was an authority overseeing medical forums, I'd file a complaint against Dr Bob. If he practices medicine or teaches in the manner that he runs this forum someone should jerk his license.
>
> I'm not in a good place, that's why I came here. I don't feel very comfortable posting about any issues here knowing that whatever I say will be attacked.
>
> I'll find my support in real life and if I'm attacked they will have to say it to my face. I can consider the source and in a room full of mentals I think the truth about what's right or wrong will be discussed.
>
> Lou Pilder has wrecked this place. I have to wonder if Dr Bob is afraid that Lou will follow him IRL if he had the b*lls to ban him.
>
> The only way to survive this place is if nobody read his garbage spewing b*llsh*t and absolutely no one ever responded to any of his posts. No one. Total blackout. He's killed this place with religious hatred and unfounded accusations. This guy is no child of God. If Lou worshipped God and quietly listened, he would hear God whisper, you need help, I can't do it all. And you have no right to accuse innocent people of anything because Lou, it's my job to judge and those you hate, I love.
>
> This situation will not get better. This forum has hurt more people than it's helped and someday is never going to come.
>
> I want dignity amongst the chaos in my life, my life depends on it. I refuse to lower myself to hatred and ignorance and wait on a someday doc to come make it all better.
>
> From my perspective and even with all my shortcomings, I'm a better man that Dr Bob and I'm a better man than Lou Pilder. What they have done here goes against everything I believe to be right.
>
> I love so many peeps on this forum and I hope good wins out over the bad but if you want to know what will happen tomorrow, look at yesterday.P,
You wrote,[...that are batsh*t crazy telling others to follow along...hostile..to newcomers...this is Dr Bob's doing...letting this go on...Lou ..has wrecked this [place...if nobody read his garbage...total blackout...He's killed ths place with religious hatred and unfounded accusations...no child of God...innocent people...this forum has hurt people more than it has helped...I refuse to lower myself to hatred nd ignorance...I'm a better man than Lou...].
I am unsure as to what you are wanting to mean here. If you could post answers to the ollowing, then I could have the opportuinty to respond accordingly.
A. What criteria did you ue to describe me as batsh*t crazy?
B. Could you please not post defamation and lies about me here? Your defamation and lies about me here is putting me in a false light, for your accusation of me being crazy is an unsound mental health statement that could injure another emotionally and psychologically. The fact that your "Dr Bob" is allowing the defamtion to be heaped upon me here does not in any way ligitimize what is simply hatred written in a venue condoned by the owner of this site. That condoning could lead others to heap the same defamation upon me as is evident in this forum. And it could have a detrimental effect on you and others that go along with "Dr Bob" and post the same defamation toward me here.
The rest of your accusations written here about me are lies. I have not wrecked this place and I do not post religious hatred or unfounded accusations. It is plainly visible that Mr Hsiung has left years of my requests and notifications to him outstanding. And who are you to determine who is or who is not a child of God?
C. Why are you a better man than me or anyone else?
D. Are you aware that your use of the phrase,"Child of God" comes from the scriptures that the Jews use?
E. Could you please not post anything here that people could construe as a call for others to ignore me or shun me here as in your use of the phrase, "total blackout"? That could stigmatize me here and cause undue mental suffering. Now your "Dr Bob" allows you to post such. But that only means that others could think that what you have posted here about me is supportive. Supportive of what?
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on October 30, 2012, at 7:03:52
In reply to Re: correction:: Lou's response-psashizm » Phil, posted by Dinah on October 29, 2012, at 22:54:52
> Lou is a child of God. We all are.
>
> I have to admit that I don't understand the anger at Lou personally. I can understand anger at his actions. It's perfectly understandable to expect to be treated with civility. But lack of insight is something a good many of us struggle with from time to time. And the more ill we are, the less insight we have. What is there in that to be angry with? The behaviors, yes, the situation most definitely.
>
> I don't think it's particularly pleasant to be on Babble right now, or very healthy for everyone. I don't like unmoderated boards myself for that and many other reasons. If we as a board can't find a way to deal with something we can't control, then I can't see this as being a better place any time soon.
>
> I hope you feel better soon, Phil. And I hope that when you're feeling a bit better, you'll feel better able to cope here if you wish to be with the folks on Babble. If it's better for you to be away, I certainly understand that too.
>
> Take care, and be very careful with the medications that excite the nervous system. Can you call your pdoc?D,
YOu wrote,[...I don't understand the anger at Lou...anger at his actions... its perfectly understandable to be treated with civility...anger with..the situation...].
Note my objection to what you wrote here. It could arouse ill-will toward me because:
A. Your use of of {his actions} do not specify what the actions are
B. Your use of {treated with civility) does not specify as to that I am not treated with civility or someone else is not treated with civility, nor do you specify what the (un)civility is.
C. In your use of {anger..with the situation}, you do not specify what the situation is that one has anger at or who is or is not having the anger.
Be advised, that I am defending myself against hostility that is directed at me here which is what hate is. If you could go on with your post here and specify what you want to mean, then others could have a concrete understanding of the words and phrases that you use and not have to guess what they mean and to who the subjec person(s) could be. This I ask so that if I need to defend myself against accusations that are false, that could damage me, I could have that opportunity here.
Lou
Posted by Dinah on October 30, 2012, at 7:24:18
In reply to Lou's response- » Dinah, posted by Lou Pilder on October 30, 2012, at 7:03:52
Fine response to someone who's trying to stick up for you.
Posted by Lou Pilder on October 30, 2012, at 7:27:43
In reply to Re: Lou's response- » Lou Pilder, posted by Dinah on October 30, 2012, at 7:24:18
> Fine response to someone who's trying to stick up for you.
That is not clear to me in what you wrote here.
Lou
Posted by Dinah on October 30, 2012, at 7:40:29
In reply to Lou's response-veygg » Dinah, posted by Lou Pilder on October 30, 2012, at 7:27:43
Nevertheless it is true. I stated that you were indeed a child of God, and that as such you are worthy of caring and respect.
People can be angry at your actions without hating you, Lou. I'm angry that what I intended as support was met as an attack. But I still support you as a person, and as a child of God.
It's sometimes hard to separate that out isn't it? Despite the fact that it's something I was always taught, it did take some time in therapy to truly accept that it was ok for someone to be angry with me, and that it didn't mean they hated me.
Posted by Dinah on October 30, 2012, at 7:41:37
In reply to Lou's response-veygg » Dinah, posted by Lou Pilder on October 30, 2012, at 7:27:43
Did you get any sleep, Lou? I'm worried about you.
Posted by sukarno on October 30, 2012, at 8:52:42
In reply to Lou's response-psuhpoartivofwhat? » Phil, posted by Lou Pilder on October 30, 2012, at 5:59:42
Lou said:
"I have not wrecked this place and I do not post religious hatred or unfounded accusations."
That reminds me of Nixon's "I'm not a crook" speech.
Dr. Bob said he can't make the Prince of Death go away but yet he still sanctioned others during that period for lesser infractions of the rules.
I think it's because the Prince of Death is not guilty by reason of insanity. He simply cannot be punished because he's not accountable for his actions.If that's the way it's going to be, I think I'll leave this bulletin board forever.
Dr. Bob may be very busy as he is in private practice or there could be something else going on such as a family emergency, etc. I wish he had delegated authority to someone else to block and/or ban people but that can't always be done.
Some have posted that Dr. Bob and Lou may be the same person but I find that very difficult to believe. It would be sick if it was true. That would be a gory experiment and injurious to the mental health of the userbase.
Thus far, the Prince of Death has caused me to seriously consider using SSRIs despite having not taken one since 1995. I'm considering Zoloft or Valdoxan at the moment. I see my pdoc in a few days and will ask him about it.
I expected when I returned to see the usual Psycho-Babble Medication forum as I was only gone for less than a year. I didn't think it would have deteriorated to the point it has now.
Posted by sukarno on October 30, 2012, at 8:54:18
In reply to Re: Prince of Death and Dr. Bob's absence, posted by sukarno on October 30, 2012, at 8:52:42
Would any folks here like to sign up with Paltalk?
I'm already on Paltalk and it has voice. People must "raise their hands" in order to get permission to use the mic and it is moderated.I could create a Psycho-Babble forum if anyone is interested. Heck, even Lou can join and post or grab the mic as long as he remains civil and waits his turn. I think he might remain more civil there knowing that Dr. Bob has no connection with Paltalk and thus there's no alleged conspiracy against him by Dr. Bob and that there are rules that _will_ be swiftly enforced across the board.
Posted by gardenergirl on October 30, 2012, at 9:22:36
In reply to Re: Lou's response-veygg » Lou Pilder, posted by Dinah on October 30, 2012, at 7:40:29
I read it as supportive.
Posted by phillipa on October 30, 2012, at 20:06:17
In reply to Re: Lou's response-veygg » Dinah, posted by gardenergirl on October 30, 2012, at 9:22:36
Me also Phillipa
Posted by Willful on October 30, 2012, at 21:33:34
In reply to Re: Lou's response-veygg » gardenergirl, posted by phillipa on October 30, 2012, at 20:06:17
I am totally taken aback at the turn this place has recently and, it seems, rather suddenly taken.
This is so unacceptable,.
How can this board continue, when this is what happens to people who come looking for help? If we have nothing but this to offer them, and no way for veteran posters to protect newcomers, then we need to rethink what we're doing here-- and if there is any rational way of doing better by others. It is as if we are sacrificing people who actually can use some help, to protect-- what?-- the ego? -- I don't even know what we're protecting-- and wish someone would explain it to me-- of someone who is completely closed to any sort of questioning-- and certainly has no interest in being helped, or in considering that he may be hurting others.
I'm not speaking out of dislike or hatred of Lou, but I find it terrible that this spewing of hatred by him continues- toward anyone who challenges him at all.- Is he somehow so troubled that he needs to be sheltered from taking any responsibility for what he's doing-? why is Lou such a favorite of Bob's anyway? (And no, I don't think for a second that Bob is Lou.)Maybe my judgment about Bob is totally idealized. I've never been a huge admirer, but I had respect for his desire to make this a helpful place. Now I have to really say I am beyond disappointed about this. If Bob can come here, and be aware of this happening and take no action, I have to wonder who he really is.
Posted by Lou Pilder on October 30, 2012, at 22:36:39
In reply to Re: what is going on here?, posted by Willful on October 30, 2012, at 21:33:34
> I am totally taken aback at the turn this place has recently and, it seems, rather suddenly taken.
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> This is so unacceptable,.
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> How can this board continue, when this is what happens to people who come looking for help? If we have nothing but this to offer them, and no way for veteran posters to protect newcomers, then we need to rethink what we're doing here-- and if there is any rational way of doing better by others. It is as if we are sacrificing people who actually can use some help, to protect-- what?-- the ego? -- I don't even know what we're protecting-- and wish someone would explain it to me-- of someone who is completely closed to any sort of questioning-- and certainly has no interest in being helped, or in considering that he may be hurting others.
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> I'm not speaking out of dislike or hatred of Lou, but I find it terrible that this spewing of hatred by him continues- toward anyone who challenges him at all.- Is he somehow so troubled that he needs to be sheltered from taking any responsibility for what he's doing-? why is Lou such a favorite of Bob's anyway? (And no, I don't think for a second that Bob is Lou.)
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> Maybe my judgment about Bob is totally idealized. I've never been a huge admirer, but I had respect for his desire to make this a helpful place. Now I have to really say I am beyond disappointed about this. If Bob can come here, and be aware of this happening and take no action, I have to wonder who he really is.W,
You wrote,[...this spewing of hatred by him...].
Please do not post lies about me here or leave undefined accusations about me here. What you have posted could arouse ill-will toward me and stigmatize me. Your "Dr Bob" allows you and others now to heap defamtion upon me and post lies that are damaging to me. The fact that Mr Hsiung is allowing it does not ligitamize the hate that is seen in the lie. I have not spewed out hatred to anyone, on the contrary, there are numerous members here that are doing just that to me that their posts are plainly visible here.And if you are making a call to the community to defame me by using me as a scapegoat for any issues here, note my sincere objection to that. Your whole post here is an arousing by using me as the subject person. It is a lie that I am completly closed to questioning. It is a lie that I am hurting others, for I come here to offer support and education for those that want to overcome depression and addiction. That is not hurting anyone in any commnity, except maybe those that want others to continue in depression and addiction to mind-altering drugs. I have stated over and over here that there are two ways that I know to overcome addiction and depression. One by human acheivement and the other by divine accomplishment. Those that want to take the road of human achievement with drugs and acupunctur and therapy or snake oil do not have to respond to me here. This forum is for different points of view, that is a reason for the moderator to allow my point of view as well as those that want to promote mind-altering drugs here. If you look at the new person thread and see the hatred that was posted to me there, how could you accuse me of {spewing hatred}? Not only is it a lie, it is a reckless disregard for the truth and the lie harms me more than Mr Hsiung allowing it to be posted here by you. You seek to arouse the members here to collaborate with you? I would like to see who joins you.
Lou
Posted by Twinleaf on October 31, 2012, at 13:15:38
In reply to Re: what is going on here?, posted by Willful on October 30, 2012, at 21:33:34
I agree completely. There have been several sincere, respectful, strong requests for Bob to support and help our efforts to prevent posters, both new and old, from being traumatized by Lou's posts. I feel very disillusioned by the fact that Bob will ignore something this important, and yet appear briefly to block posters who are much less harmful. I am starting to think that much-needed caring and good executive judgement may simply not be there (as I had always believed).
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