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Dr. Bob is Robert Hsiung, MD,
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Posted by Phil on October 20, 2012, at 19:37:02
I put a few pics on social so old friends can put a face with the name.
It's not necessary or expected to say goodbye but I want to say a few things.Last time I came here I got set up by huxley. I was here for support.
This time zazenducke says I was here consumed by self-pity. In Texas you will get you *ss kicked for that. And, I'm having a terrible time of it. I just read above that he/she hates to see Lou picked on so the behavior I got from this cretin started there after I told Lou where he could stick his deathometer. Little pics here and there, right? It has no business on this forum and I would have banned him a decade ago. Sorry that's how I feel.
Next up is benzobuddy. I post something about Amy Winehouse and how much she meant to me and it's true. He systematically starts ripping her to shreds. That's fine, a lot of people only saw the negative but again, this forum is for support and I'm not feeling the love.
I don't know why I'm a target here when I was a pretty good member all those years. I'd like to rise above it all but telling someone on disability not knowing if they can get meds or even live with very little money is not the best time to tell me I'm consumed with self-pity. I would love to meet this person face to face.
I've got a screaming headache and after all of these triggers more and more depressed then hypomanic anger sets in.
I really reached out for help this time because I'm in a jam. Days later I'm exhausted.
Maybe this will be read sometime. From my perspective either someone get a handle on this or pull the plug. I'm worse off now than when I got here. And that self-pity remark is burned in my brain. In 30 years of depression/bipolar no one has said that to me and this person set up the whole thing.
I won't get a hacker to find this jerk because I'm a very laid back person but I can't imagine a person with any decency saying that.
I was hoping to connect with old friends and stick around this time but there are some really nasty people here and I have no recourse.
This is dr bob's baby so the blame has to go to him. It's never been run right but it's even worse now. Twilight zone where actively suicidal newcomers stumble in and see Lou hocking a deathometer and telling them to get off meds to follow him .......enough.
This is the last place I would send a friend for help, I don't want them to suffer anymore than they are. The bad thing is, nobody will do anything about this.
Posted by sleepygirl2 on October 20, 2012, at 21:37:24
In reply to Leaving the circus, again, posted by Phil on October 20, 2012, at 19:37:02
Hey
I don't expect that anything I say would matter to you.
But
I'd like to say that I've always liked reading your posts. I've always found myself clicking on them
and I've been here... For about 10 years? What? Really?
You've never come across to me as drowning in self pity, depressed? Well, yes, and it sounds like it hurts.
And it's worse lately, isn't it? In recent years?
Or am I guessing at that?
I don't know why people do the things they do, Phil.
And I know, that when I feel like sh*t, I really don't want to waste one iota of energy trying to figure it out.
I wish you all the best Phil.
May things change for the better soon .
Posted by Phil on October 20, 2012, at 22:20:24
In reply to Re: Leaving the circus, again » Phil, posted by sleepygirl2 on October 20, 2012, at 21:37:24
It's been worse but I'll pull through as long as I don't read another of the Prince of Deaths posts. We have a new guy asking for advice and on the thread just above it Lou is saying if he's not allowed to speak that the meds will kill him. Maybe I'll be back I don't know it is so crazy here that we need a few sane people to offset the nonsense. I can't believe Lou is telling people this. Mental patients need meds and Lou should be first in line. I'm not trying to be mean but Jesus Christ. Heck I may stick around just for the humor, no one could write this script.
Posted by Dinah on October 21, 2012, at 0:40:13
In reply to Re: Leaving the circus, again » sleepygirl2, posted by Phil on October 20, 2012, at 22:20:24
Phil, don't let them get you down.
You aren't the first or last person to want to leave because of the posters you mentioned. But as you say, as people leave, those voices become the dominant ones.
I don't post here much myself anymore, because I don't much like an unmoderated board. I don't like what zzd said to you, or the ongoing comments to Scott. I wonder how a poster can post while blocked to continue to say hurtful things. But I'm sure you can guess who that poster is, Phil, and that that poster has done this with Amy Winehouse before. Perhaps he thinks you two have a joking relationship going on there.
I don't much like incivility to Lou either, but I sort of feel that we're now in the wild wild west. A woman killed her two kids here in New Orleans the other day. Her family says she's fine as long as she took her medications. Two kids are dead, and I see Lou making remarks like he makes. I think of my family members who are a danger to themselves when not medicated, and I get angry. I remember my mother making the same sort of anti medication rants until she'd been with them for a few days, when they were unmedicated. Now she doesn't say a word about the evils of medication.
I'm torn between urging you to stay and ignore the posters who ought to be ignored, and admitting that an unmoderated board might not be the best choice for all people at all times. Do what's best for you, Phil. I'll continue to send you all the positive energy I can either way.
Posted by Dr. Bob on October 21, 2012, at 2:49:20
In reply to Re: Leaving the circus, again » sleepygirl2, posted by Phil on October 20, 2012, at 22:20:24
> It's been worse but I'll pull through as long as I don't read another of the Prince of Deaths posts. We have a new guy asking for advice and on the thread just above it Lou is saying if he's not allowed to speak that the meds will kill him. Maybe I'll be back I don't know it is so crazy here that we need a few sane people to offset the nonsense. I can't believe Lou is telling people this. Mental patients need meds and Lou should be first in line. I'm not trying to be mean but Jesus Christ. Heck I may stick around just for the humor, no one could write this script.
I wish I could keep the Prince of Death away. I hope others here can help you offset him, and you can do the same for them.
The Wizard of Babble
Posted by Phil on October 21, 2012, at 5:41:11
In reply to Re: Leaving the circus, again » Phil, posted by Dinah on October 21, 2012, at 0:40:13
I'm going to stay I think I'm hypomanic. I'm not sleeping and although it's OK to get upset now and then and even justified, I was scaring myself. I think realizing that will help but I was so mad. I just don't know the dynamics here right now. It's like coming home and not realizing a gang took over the neighborhood while you were away. I'm not always that good at handling surprises. Thanks.
Posted by Phil on October 21, 2012, at 5:49:21
In reply to Re: the circus, posted by Dr. Bob on October 21, 2012, at 2:49:20
Dr Bob I must say that it is really good to see you again. I'm going to try to calm down but I really hate to see new people reaching out for help and noticing a death o meter. This is the first time I've been able to laugh about it.
I'm not psychiatrist but it's an interesting subject obviously. I'm not sure what I would do if Lou was my patient other than say I wasn't taking new patients. :)The Wizard of Babble
Dr Bob 2.0
Posted by Lou Pilder on October 21, 2012, at 6:11:36
In reply to Re: Leaving the circus, again » Phil, posted by Dinah on October 21, 2012, at 0:40:13
> Phil, don't let them get you down.
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> You aren't the first or last person to want to leave because of the posters you mentioned. But as you say, as people leave, those voices become the dominant ones.
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> I don't post here much myself anymore, because I don't much like an unmoderated board. I don't like what zzd said to you, or the ongoing comments to Scott. I wonder how a poster can post while blocked to continue to say hurtful things. But I'm sure you can guess who that poster is, Phil, and that that poster has done this with Amy Winehouse before. Perhaps he thinks you two have a joking relationship going on there.
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> I don't much like incivility to Lou either, but I sort of feel that we're now in the wild wild west. A woman killed her two kids here in New Orleans the other day. Her family says she's fine as long as she took her medications. Two kids are dead, and I see Lou making remarks like he makes. I think of my family members who are a danger to themselves when not medicated, and I get angry. I remember my mother making the same sort of anti medication rants until she'd been with them for a few days, when they were unmedicated. Now she doesn't say a word about the evils of medication.
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> I'm torn between urging you to stay and ignore the posters who ought to be ignored, and admitting that an unmoderated board might not be the best choice for all people at all times. Do what's best for you, Phil. I'll continue to send you all the positive energy I can either way.Dinah,
You wrote,
[...A woman killed her two kids here in New Orleans...Two kids are dead and I see Lou making remarks like he makes...].
I have posted here over and over and over again, that when one stops their drug they could kill themselves and/or others.
Now there are prohibitions to me here from Mr. Hsiung that prevent me from posting what has been revealed to me that could heal a person that has damage from psychotropic drugs in relation to helping them withdrawal from the drugs without killing themselves and/or others. Yet today, you can post about me here a statement that could have the potential to arouse (redacted by respondent) toward me. If I was allowed to post as you post about me here, then I think that lives could be saved, life-ruining conditions could be prevented, and people could be made free from depression and addiction. And the threat of Jews and Islamic people and others to be victims of antisemitic and anti-Islamic violence could be extinguished. I would like for you to tell me right now what the remarks that I make are that you are referring to. Then I will post my response to whatever you say about me.
Lou
Posted by Dinah on October 21, 2012, at 9:22:11
In reply to Lou's response- » Dinah, posted by Lou Pilder on October 21, 2012, at 6:11:36
I think that at the very least you should stop making blanket statements about all mentally ill people and all medications.
It is important for antipsychotics to be used with people who become psychotic who are can be dangerous to themselves or others without medication. Withdrawal had diddly to do with it. My relatives had psychotic breaks far they were ever medicated, and were a danger to themselves, though not (to my knowledge) to others.
You say people on medication can be a danger to Jews. I say people who need medication and don't get it are dangerous to themselves and others. I saw their families be destroyed, even if they weren't physically a danger to others. And while that wasn't entirely because of their mental illness, their mental illness did deprive their children of a safe and reliable parent during a difficult time. I saw those same relatives restore their relationships while they were on medication.
I appreciate that you warn of the dangers of withdrawal. But that isn't enough to keep your words from potentially causing harm. I think you could potentially harm others by discouraging people who need medication from taking it. How would you feel if even one person who had severe mental illness was discouraged from taking psychotropic drugs, and as a result harmed themselves and others? I know you don't want to hurt others, Lou. But I very strongly believe you could.
If you would modify your message somewhat, so that you acknowledge that while psych drugs are overprescribed and can cause harm, it is important for those who do need medication to take it, I wouldn't say anything. If you were to say most of what you say with "unnecessary" in front of "medication", I wouldn't have a problem with it.
As my best recent pdoc used to say. "There are side effects from taking medication. There are side effects from not taking medications. It's up to you which side effects you will accept." I'd modify that a bit if someone is a danger to others.
I'm using psychosis as an example, because it's psychosis that I saw destroying families. I feel really strongly about that because it has directly had an impact on me. And yet, depression also runs in my family, and suicide from depression. Long before there were any drugs to cure it. A case could be made that your repeated talk about death could cause someone deeply suicidal to believe that their case was hopeless and they were doomed whether or not they took meds, so just as well kill themselves more directly.
I think you could harm others, Lou, however little you mean to do so. And I think you harm your own cause as well. People are more likely to take your legitimate points seriously if you aren't talking of death-o-meters. Frankly that made me so angry that thoughts of civility weren't uppermost in my mind. I was angry with you and angry with Bob that this was allowed. It went too far, Lou.
I do want to thank you for refraining from labeling me as anti-semitic. My feelings of anger with you stem from your own behavior, not your ethnicity or religion. Thank you for remembering that I like Jewish people, and study Jewish theology, and speak positively of the Jewish faith even in the face of opposition from others.
I don't want anyone to hurt you, Lou. I suppose I do want someone to protect the people who read this board from behavior I believe could potentially cause harm to others. So my main problem is with Dr. Bob, I suppose. He could keep you from making these statements on his board, whatever he says.
Posted by Dinah on October 21, 2012, at 9:32:55
In reply to Re: Leaving the circus, again » Dinah, posted by Phil on October 21, 2012, at 5:41:11
I'll answer part of this on the medication board.
But I will say that this is no new gang. The posters you mentioned have been around for a very long time and are not really acting that much differently than usual - except for the freedom of restraints of Dr. Bob's moderation. What you're noticing is the impact of flight from your neighborhood into safer neighborhoods or better yet, into wellness. It changes the balance and tone of the neighborhood. As well, of course, as the absence of community policing. You know how much I appreciate civility. But even I have to admit that a population who has learned helplessness with respect to those in authority are far more likely to result to private duels and vigilante justice to deal with frustration and anger.
So perhaps an unmoderated community will always feel different. Some people will take to it like a seal to water. Some won't. Dr. Bob, now as before, has decided which group of people he wishes at Babble.
Posted by Lou Pilder on October 21, 2012, at 11:08:26
In reply to Re: Lou's response- » Lou Pilder, posted by Dinah on October 21, 2012, at 9:22:11
> I think that at the very least you should stop making blanket statements about all mentally ill people and all medications.
>
> It is important for antipsychotics to be used with people who become psychotic who are can be dangerous to themselves or others without medication. Withdrawal had diddly to do with it. My relatives had psychotic breaks far they were ever medicated, and were a danger to themselves, though not (to my knowledge) to others.
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> You say people on medication can be a danger to Jews. I say people who need medication and don't get it are dangerous to themselves and others. I saw their families be destroyed, even if they weren't physically a danger to others. And while that wasn't entirely because of their mental illness, their mental illness did deprive their children of a safe and reliable parent during a difficult time. I saw those same relatives restore their relationships while they were on medication.
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> I appreciate that you warn of the dangers of withdrawal. But that isn't enough to keep your words from potentially causing harm. I think you could potentially harm others by discouraging people who need medication from taking it. How would you feel if even one person who had severe mental illness was discouraged from taking psychotropic drugs, and as a result harmed themselves and others? I know you don't want to hurt others, Lou. But I very strongly believe you could.
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> If you would modify your message somewhat, so that you acknowledge that while psych drugs are overprescribed and can cause harm, it is important for those who do need medication to take it, I wouldn't say anything. If you were to say most of what you say with "unnecessary" in front of "medication", I wouldn't have a problem with it.
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> As my best recent pdoc used to say. "There are side effects from taking medication. There are side effects from not taking medications. It's up to you which side effects you will accept." I'd modify that a bit if someone is a danger to others.
>
> I'm using psychosis as an example, because it's psychosis that I saw destroying families. I feel really strongly about that because it has directly had an impact on me. And yet, depression also runs in my family, and suicide from depression. Long before there were any drugs to cure it. A case could be made that your repeated talk about death could cause someone deeply suicidal to believe that their case was hopeless and they were doomed whether or not they took meds, so just as well kill themselves more directly.
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> I think you could harm others, Lou, however little you mean to do so. And I think you harm your own cause as well. People are more likely to take your legitimate points seriously if you aren't talking of death-o-meters. Frankly that made me so angry that thoughts of civility weren't uppermost in my mind. I was angry with you and angry with Bob that this was allowed. It went too far, Lou.
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> I do want to thank you for refraining from labeling me as anti-semitic. My feelings of anger with you stem from your own behavior, not your ethnicity or religion. Thank you for remembering that I like Jewish people, and study Jewish theology, and speak positively of the Jewish faith even in the face of opposition from others.
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> I don't want anyone to hurt you, Lou. I suppose I do want someone to protect the people who read this board from behavior I believe could potentially cause harm to others. So my main problem is with Dr. Bob, I suppose. He could keep you from making these statements on his board, whatever he says.Friends,
Let us see what is really goin' on here. First, I would like to cover the aspect of that Dinah wrote that [...withdrawal had diddly to do with it...].
Now the grammatical structure looking at the context that the statement is in, paints a dfferent picture, my friends. You see, the {it}, in its context, is {the murder of the two children}.
Now here is the statement in it's context and grammatical structure:
[...A woman killed her two kids here in New Orleans the other day. Her family says she's fine {as long as she took her medication}. Two kids are dead and I see Lou making remarks like he makes...].
Now see the part,{as long as she took her medication}.
Now it can be thought that the grammatical structure and the context show that the murder of the two kids was done while the woman was not taking her medication. This is because the statement that she is *fine* {as long as she is taking her medication}. So if she *was* taking her medication, she would be fine. If she would be fine, then the grammatical structure of the statement here could mean that she would have not murdered her two kids. Thearfore, it can be thought that she was in withdrawal, which I have plenty of research studies that show that people in withdrawal can kill themselves and/or others, even commit mass-murder.
You see, there is evidence in the psychiatric community of this that I am wanting people to know here. And those that want to supresss what I need to tell you here can keep you from knowing facts, facts that IMHHHO could mark the difference between you being alive or dead.
So when you read here things about me, remember that I have prohibitions made to me here by Mr. Hsiung that prevent me from even posting my complete response to Dinah here that I think that if I was allowed to do so, lives could be saved.
***Please understand also that I do not accept anecdotal reports as evidence of fact.***
Lou
Posted by Dinah on October 21, 2012, at 11:29:05
In reply to Lou's reply-heerpsehy » Dinah, posted by Lou Pilder on October 21, 2012, at 11:08:26
Neither do I. Nor do I accept cherrypicked and improperly interpreted studies as fact.
But to clarify, by "it" I was referring to my family members who were dangerous before they even had a bit of psychiatric medication and less dangerous after. Not to this particular woman, who apparently did take medications at times (and was, according to her family less dangerous when she did.) The focus of the article was the cost and difficulty of obtaining proper treatment.
If you aren't willing to consider that you may be harming others, there's not much I can do. You'll harm or not, and it's beyond my control. I imagine anyone who is thinking clearly can easily judge your posts on their merits, and treat them accordingly. I think Dr. Bob is doing a disservice to those who may be particularly vulnerable at any given time.
If you're going around telling posters they are harming people by pushing medications, calling them drug pushers, etc. I think it is perfectly ok for others to point out that you may be harming people. Why do you think it's ok for you to do it, but not for others to respond by pointing out the dangers and irresponsibility of your own posts? Do you report yourself when you call other Babblers names? Or accuse them of drug pushing?
I personally don't think either is particularly civil. But what can we do when we're abandoned? We are abandoned, and need to rely on what tools we have.
I don't understand AT ALL why you give a fat rat's *ss what Dr. Bob thinks about your posts or what he does and doesn't allow.
DR. BOB IS NOT MONITORING THE D*MN FORUM! SAY WHAT YOU LIKE!
Just recognize that people will show you the same level of respect and courtesy that you show them.
Posted by Emme_v2 on October 21, 2012, at 13:21:20
In reply to Leaving the circus, again, posted by Phil on October 20, 2012, at 19:37:02
Phil,
I don't think I've interacted much with you directly. But for the record, I read your posts, and I like you and feel bad that you are having a rough time.
I hope you will be able to stay.
emme
Posted by Phil on October 21, 2012, at 15:04:52
In reply to Re: Leaving the circus, again » Phil, posted by Emme_v2 on October 21, 2012, at 13:21:20
Thanks Emme. Just wait till I start telling stories. :)
I'm going to stay until it becomes more stressful to be here than not. I'm still not sure where that line is right now.
I'm just like you, we just want a safe laid back place to interact and that promotes wellness in itself. But riding my pony while pulling arrows out of my back is not fun. In that case I'll fire the cannons and I was real close to doing that.
BTW, I'm 3'6" and weigh 80 pounds. I just like talking tough on the internet. :)
Posted by phillipa on October 21, 2012, at 23:22:51
In reply to Re: Leaving the circus, again » Emme_v2, posted by Phil on October 21, 2012, at 15:04:52
Don't venture to this board much anymore. Glad I did tonight and also glad you are staying. I get the emails from the blocked blaming me for them being caught? Are they ignorant that the way they post is what gets them caught? Shoot wasn't here on any internet for 24 hours and couldn't as the "FBI" virus attacked my computer. So I sure didn't report anyone. Stick around for more fun!!! Phillipa
Posted by 10derheart on October 22, 2012, at 23:25:45
In reply to Leaving the circus, again, posted by Phil on October 20, 2012, at 19:37:02
Phil,
I feel the same as sleepygirl and Dinah. I'd tired and having a weird day, so I won't try to say it better.
Just wanted you to know I am eager to open your posts, too. The way you write is really real and I like it a lot. I know you may not believe me, but I understand so much of what you are saying about posters here. It's hard. I love free speech and would go to great lengths to protect it, and to protect those I get being bullied, scapegoated, singled out....no matter what they have been recently saying. Its the principle of the thing. But there comes a time when enough actually is ENOUGH.....
When I was a deputy, I got tied up in knots around these things. In tears more than once. I just want people to be kind and careful but they won't always be.
I dunno, Phil. Selfishly hope to see you again, but don't get agitated and harm your health over PB. Please. You're a good guy. I can tell. --10der
Posted by Tabitha on October 23, 2012, at 15:24:43
In reply to Re: Leaving the circus, again » Emme_v2, posted by Phil on October 21, 2012, at 15:04:52
Hi Phil, I hope you stay. Enjoyed the pictures on Social. Nice to see your face and I learned that Jack White has a really cool looking drum kit. Plus you managed to lure the Wizard out from behind his curtain.
Posted by Phil on October 23, 2012, at 19:39:42
In reply to Re: Leaving the circus, again » Phil, posted by Tabitha on October 23, 2012, at 15:24:43
Jack White has so much talent. I love it when those guys and girls surface. That's one of the coolest kits I've seen.
Posted by Lou Pilder on October 24, 2012, at 6:09:41
In reply to Re: the circus, posted by Dr. Bob on October 21, 2012, at 2:49:20
> > It's been worse but I'll pull through as long as I don't read another of the Prince of Deaths posts. We have a new guy asking for advice and on the thread just above it Lou is saying if he's not allowed to speak that the meds will kill him. Maybe I'll be back I don't know it is so crazy here that we need a few sane people to offset the nonsense. I can't believe Lou is telling people this. Mental patients need meds and Lou should be first in line. I'm not trying to be mean but Jesus Christ. Heck I may stick around just for the humor, no one could write this script.
>
> I wish I could keep the Prince of Death away. I hope others here can help you offset him, and you can do the same for them.
>
> The Wizard of BabbleMr. Hsiung,
You wrote,[...I wish I could keep the Prince of Death away...].
By what authority do you use, if any, to refer to someone here, that others could think is me, to refer to that person, or me, as what you wrote?
Is this reflecting your attitude toward respect to members here? Your post could encourage others to promulgate hatred toward me and hatred toward the Jews. You say support takes precedence. Does hatred take precedence? The deaths here are from the drugs that you allow to be promoted. I have come to show a way for others to have life, and life more abundantly. Who then is The Prince of Death? WHo allows statements here to stand that could arouse hatred toward the Jews? Who allows statements to stand that are insults to Islam and Judaism and other faiths?
Lou PIlder
Posted by Dinah on October 24, 2012, at 8:17:08
In reply to Lou's request to Mr Hsiung-phowlndehyshunofheyt » Dr. Bob, posted by Lou Pilder on October 24, 2012, at 6:09:41
I believe he was referring to the content of the posts, not the creator of them. You surely don't object to the characterization of your posts as warning of death to and potential violence from those who use psychotropic medications.
I also don't see why you generalize any feelings expressed about you (whether or not the Prince of Death referred to you personally) as feelings expressed about Jews in general. Feelings about one Jew does not feelings about a race make. Otherwise I daresay there would be a fair number of antisemitic Jews, since conflict between Jewish people can not be unheard of. They aren't, of course, antisemitic just because they have negative feelings about an individual.
Is it easier for you to accept that people are antisemitic than that they are upset with Lou the person? Does it hurt less?
Posted by Lou Pilder on October 24, 2012, at 15:58:55
In reply to Re: Lou's request to Mr Hsiung-phowlndehyshunofheyt » Lou Pilder, posted by Dinah on October 24, 2012, at 8:17:08
> I believe he was referring to the content of the posts, not the creator of them. You surely don't object to the characterization of your posts as warning of death to and potential violence from those who use psychotropic medications.
>
> I also don't see why you generalize any feelings expressed about you (whether or not the Prince of Death referred to you personally) as feelings expressed about Jews in general. Feelings about one Jew does not feelings about a race make. Otherwise I daresay there would be a fair number of antisemitic Jews, since conflict between Jewish people can not be unheard of. They aren't, of course, antisemitic just because they have negative feelings about an individual.
>
> Is it easier for you to accept that people are antisemitic than that they are upset with Lou the person? Does it hurt less?D,
You wrote,
[...I believe he was referring to...Prince of Death...feelings about one Jew...upset with Lou the person...].
First of all, just because you believe something as to the intent of another does not mean that all people reading this also believes that same meaning of what Mr Hsiung wrote. YOu see, the rule is to not post what another could think, and there are people here that could think otherwise from what you think.
Then we go to the grammatical structure and the content with what the past posts include for the content in question.
The poster used the description of a person, that which is an insulting slander of {The Prince of Peace} that the Jews rever as used in the book called Isaiah, also used as Melchizedek is called King of peace or king of Salem and others could think the subject person is me, so since it could be directed toward me, it is directed to a Jew.
Mr Hsiung repeats the disrespectfull slander that I see as mocking and taunting me as a Jew, and btw he, or someone he authorizes, corrected his spelling in his post. There were two posts, one with the {Price} of Death and the other as seen, corrected. To exchange the Prince of Peace with the perversion, The Prince of {Death}, is an insult to Judaism that could led a Jew to feel put down.
But you see, there is an indoctrination here because Mr Hsiung has posted prohibitions to me that cause facts to be repressed. Facts that could mark the difference btween life and death. But it is much more than that. You see, after an indoctrination, then comes an {establishment}. By Mr Hsiung also using the Prince of Death, he establishes what is civil. He establishes what is supportive. He establishes that Jews can have their scriptures that they cherish perverted by the use of The Prince of {Death}, which is not what Melchizedek is, for He is the Prince of Peace.
And you define what is respectfull?
Lou
Posted by Dinah on October 24, 2012, at 16:47:03
In reply to Lou's reply-juzehyliddlebhit » Dinah, posted by Lou Pilder on October 24, 2012, at 15:58:55
Lou, you've just accused me of being like fascists. Do you in any way expect me to sympathize with you over this? Nothing Bob said to you was nearly as bad as what you said to me.
Posted by gardenergirl on October 30, 2012, at 8:22:22
In reply to Re: the circus, posted by Dr. Bob on October 21, 2012, at 2:49:20
> > I wish I could keep the Prince of Death away.
You know, that statement is shameful and really out of character for you. I'm disappointed. And yes, I know I'm the pot.
Posted by Dinah on October 30, 2012, at 8:27:56
In reply to Re: the circus » Dr. Bob, posted by gardenergirl on October 30, 2012, at 8:22:22
Since I don't think he actually meant he wanted to keep Lou away, I would have to say that I found it infelicitous wording. Dr. Bob does sometimes get in trouble for trying to be all shrinky and use the same words the poster used.
(He couldn't have meant Lou, since he does have the power to keep Lou away and doesn't use it.)
Were he around, he might attempt to clarify.
Posted by gardenergirl on October 30, 2012, at 9:38:17
In reply to Re: the circus » gardenergirl, posted by Dinah on October 30, 2012, at 8:27:56
Infelicitous is pretty charitable. Hard to miss how loaded the phrase is. But maybe he had role confusion from being away so long.
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