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Posted by rjlockhart04-08 on July 5, 2009, at 1:45:54
In reply to Re: will there be a 'no twitter' list? » 10derHeart, posted by garnet71 on July 5, 2009, at 1:20:53
man.....man! tweet tweet tweet! it just doesnt stop does it?
High school was over....EEE EEE, life isnt over, i mean garnet71? twitter? what about facebook? well...nevermind, somepeople I know, metrically thinking know abou this....not thrilled.
Twittie and privite Email? does that sound good?
Posted by SLS on July 5, 2009, at 5:41:56
In reply to Re: trust, posted by Dr. Bob on July 5, 2009, at 1:28:55
> Maybe some posters are wary because they were harmed when they trusted others in the past.
My concerns revolve around a distrust of others outside the realm of Psycho-Babble. It only takes one. Whether or not such a thing is possible is not a dilemma for me if I opt out of something from which I receive no benefit.
Better safe than sorry...
- Scott
Posted by Partlycloudy on July 5, 2009, at 7:23:21
In reply to Re: trust, posted by Dr. Bob on July 5, 2009, at 1:28:55
> > Dr. Bob hasn't been broadcasting our deepest darkest thoughts or whatever on Twitter. So far the tweets have been pretty casual and not personal. Maybe we need to just trust Dr. Bob won't harm us.
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> Maybe some posters are wary because they were harmed when they trusted others in the past.
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> BobI want to be the person who decides what is submitted of my words to Twitter, not somebody else. It's not an issue of trust for me, but of being in control of my input.
pc
Posted by rjlockhart04-08 on July 5, 2009, at 11:27:06
In reply to Re: trust - Not my issue » Dr. Bob, posted by Partlycloudy on July 5, 2009, at 7:23:21
I don't trust anyone here anymore, even the nicest people are turning into something else.
Posted by SLS on July 5, 2009, at 13:11:17
In reply to Re: trust - Not my issue, posted by rjlockhart04-08 on July 5, 2009, at 11:27:06
> I don't trust anyone here anymore, even the nicest people are turning into something else.
When it seems that the whole world is changing right before your eyes, it often signals that something is not right.
- Scott
Posted by gobbledygook on July 5, 2009, at 13:55:45
In reply to Re: trust - Not my issue, posted by rjlockhart04-08 on July 5, 2009, at 11:27:06
> "I don't trust anyone here anymore, even the nicest people are turning into something else." - rj
******************************************************************************************Is this site going to twitter pbcs and blocks issued...along with the wisdom, knowledge and support shared on babble?
I would think it would be good to let the twittering community know about all of the "Babble Family Rules" before
coming here. What I find helpful in my life is reality...along with kindness, understanding, and respect.Sincerely,
Ava
Hi rj,I'm sorry I haven't replied sooner to your sweet messages to Gobbleduck on Social. I've been very busy trying to be
a good mom to my little girl since her school ended for the summer. But, I have seen your messages here and there,
and you've brought many smiles to my face...so thank you.Guess where I'm going for a holiday soon? BH 90210! I'm going to be doing a lot of "stargazing" at sidewalk cafes,
and if I run into Tori or Shannon by chance, I will try to get you their autograph...for real! I just might run into Tori
at the beach or park since we both have kids. Wish me luck!You are a very sweet person, ((rj))...always remember to respect and nurture yourself...
Ava
Gobbleduck
Quackduck
Gobbledygook
:)
Posted by fayeroe on July 5, 2009, at 15:17:45
In reply to Re: trust, posted by Dr. Bob on July 5, 2009, at 1:28:55
Bob, some posters have been hurt here. (I am only speaking of posters that I've communicated with over the years)
Look how many have opted out...40+.
What is that saying? Lipstick on a pig?
Posted by Nadezda on July 5, 2009, at 16:34:15
In reply to Re: trust, posted by Dr. Bob on July 5, 2009, at 1:28:55
I personally am dismayed and feel really out of place on this site after reading this thread. I guess my experiences on second life and twitter are quite different from that of others, but I've found a lot of good things in both. As a participant in both, I personally feel a bit put-down by the comments made about users and their motives and attitudes-- they certainly aren't mine as a user.
It's kind of as if no one here thinks there can be value in these places-- or that the people who go there are looking for and able to offer one another something meaningful. Which is not my experience at all.
Nadezda
Posted by fayeroe on July 5, 2009, at 16:51:59
In reply to Re: trust, posted by Nadezda on July 5, 2009, at 16:34:15
> I personally am dismayed and feel really out of place on this site after reading this thread. I guess my experiences on second life and twitter are quite different from that of others, but I've found a lot of good things in both. As a participant in both, I personally feel a bit put-down by the comments made about users and their motives and attitudes-- they certainly aren't mine as a user.
>
> It's kind of as if no one here thinks there can be value in these places-- or that the people who go there are looking for and able to offer one another something meaningful. Which is not my experience at all.
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> NadezdaI am sorry that you feel that way, Nadezda. We're all individuals and have had different life experiences, here, as well IRL. I have.
Several posters don't want one more thing to deal with...i.e. twittering.....some don't want their personal posts put out for the entire world to see.....
I am reading the same posts that you are and I just don't see the negativity/knocking issues that you are seeing.
Again, I'm sorry that this has upset you.
Posted by SLS on July 5, 2009, at 17:13:57
In reply to Re: trust, posted by Nadezda on July 5, 2009, at 16:34:15
> I personally am dismayed and feel really out of place on this site after reading this thread. I guess my experiences on second life and twitter are quite different from that of others, but I've found a lot of good things in both. As a participant in both, I personally feel a bit put-down by the comments made about users and their motives and attitudes-- they certainly aren't mine as a user.
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> It's kind of as if no one here thinks there can be value in these places-- or that the people who go there are looking for and able to offer one another something meaningful. Which is not my experience at all.
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> Nadezda
I'm not putting down Twitter or the people who participate in it. I just don't know enough about it. Why should I take a chance on something unknown to me if I don't have to? My ignorance prevents me from trusting. There is very little stigma associated with audiophiles or numismatists.The other thing is the concern that taking my words out of context is a form of editing, something I don't appreciate. For some odd reason, I trust the doctor not to go out of his way to twist my words purposely. However, even he cannot always understand my meanings well enough to know what to excerpt and what to ignore.
I just don't know. And right now, I don't have the time or energy to invest in educating myself about Twitter.
Your endorsement does capture my interest, though.
- Scott
Posted by Zeba on July 5, 2009, at 19:55:42
In reply to Re: trust, posted by Dr. Bob on July 5, 2009, at 1:28:55
yep--like trusting you and the other docs from your place. Big huge fat mistake on my part and one I will pay for the rest of my life.
Posted by Dr. Bob on July 6, 2009, at 0:53:46
In reply to Re: trust, posted by Nadezda on July 5, 2009, at 16:34:15
> Bob, some posters have been hurt here.
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> Look how many have opted out...40+.
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> What is that saying?
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> fayeroeMaybe it says lots of posters have been hurt when they've trusted others in the past. Or:
> I guess my experiences on second life and twitter are quite different from that of others, but I've found a lot of good things in both.
>
> It's kind of as if no one here thinks there can be value in these places-- or that the people who go there are looking for and able to offer one another something meaningful. Which is not my experience at all.
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> NadezdaMaybe a negative view of other online groups reflects a positive view of this one. It may be a sign of cohesion.
Bob
Posted by rjlockhart04-08 on July 6, 2009, at 1:03:05
In reply to Re: trust, posted by Dr. Bob on July 6, 2009, at 0:53:46
Who is the Grandmasta? behind all this!
Posted by rjlockhart04-08 on July 6, 2009, at 1:06:05
In reply to Re: trust, posted by Dr. Bob on July 6, 2009, at 0:53:46
Grandbob! You have been here w/me years?
Rerember, all that hell, now again? Wow! give me popeye'd 5! yea! Called never ending Hell.
Posted by rjlockhart04-08 on July 6, 2009, at 1:10:30
In reply to Re: trust, posted by rjlockhart04-08 on July 6, 2009, at 1:06:05
tweet tweet! how fast is the modem going? Trust and Tweet are great!
Mine is pretty slow! 52kbs! I am driving a Ford Taurus at 50miles the speed limit, and ran into Patty, and she knocked me off the CyberHighway! Boo Hooo Hooo, what's for breakfast!
Posted by rjlockhart04-08 on July 6, 2009, at 1:20:51
In reply to Twittering PBCs + Blocks along w/Wisdom + Support. » rjlockhart04-08, posted by gobbledygook on July 5, 2009, at 13:55:45
???
Who is this! Gobbleduck, have you returned? Quack!
I would like to give my graditude to everyone, who has given the most kindest respect here also, also gobble, I did not know Spelling wrote ABC's!
Went to the Library.....didnt have it in stock, got mad, went to another library, then said, yak! screw it! just read online!
Catch U later, don't what's going to hit the cieling next here! Wow! is it a cat or wig! man that thing flew across the house so fast, i can't see 20/20 on TV!
Respect to Gobbleduck.
Quack!
rj
Posted by fayeroe on July 6, 2009, at 10:47:43
In reply to Re: trust, posted by Dr. Bob on July 6, 2009, at 0:53:46
Posted by Nadezda on July 6, 2009, at 14:37:37
In reply to Re: trust, posted by Dr. Bob on July 6, 2009, at 0:53:46
"Maybe a negative view of other online groups reflects a positive view of this one. It may be a sign of cohesion."That does cheer me up considerably. I hope that's more what it is. --
Thanks --
Nadezda
Posted by twinleaf on July 6, 2009, at 15:26:25
In reply to Re: trust, posted by Dr. Bob on July 6, 2009, at 0:53:46
Bob...it would be so much more helpful to us if you did not keep going slightly off-track when the topic of people leaving Babble because they have been hurt by it comes up, as it does over and over.
Everyone, except you apparently, is very clear that they are NOT confusing past hurts in their lives with hurts which have occurred here on this site. They are so definitive and self-aware about this that it is really rather insulting and patronizing of you to keep telling posters here that you feel you know better than they do what their hidden or unconscious motives for feeling hurt might be. You don't.
We would like you to understand that the large number of posters who have left have done so because this site, which they valued and trusted a lot, has hurt them. To be specific, your severe blocking policies have hurt them. In my six years posting here, it has been my experience that it is very rare for one poster to hurt another badly. Usually, things are worked out, or, quite often, posters who do not get anything positive out of posting to one another just avoid doing it. A large majority of the interactions here are tremendously caring, understanding and helpful. So, everyone is mostly solving the interpersonal problems which arise by themselves. Punitive actions are just not needed, although I think administrative help in making sure people do solve these situations can occasionally be very valuable.
Really, saying that a negative view of Twitter reflects a positive view of Babble is just not a relevant or intelligible statement. People are concerned about their increasing loss of privacy over what they may have said in the past online here. Even though we have given you permission to use what we say here for other purposes, I think most of us assumed that you meant that you might use data or other information in psychiatric publications, while guaranteeing our privacy, as other publishing psychiatrists are always careful to do. Twitter is a very different proposition, and as several internet-savvy posters have pointed out, may increase the possibility of posters being identified IRL, because of the increased cross-referencing which can be done. None of us really know yet whether this is a valid concern, but a number of us are concerned that it might be- thus all the opt-outs. Liking Babble better than Twitter is SO not the point- our privacy is.
Your blocking policies, and the way you enforce them, are what have hurt people here. If it weren't for how harshly you have treated people in your own community, this would be such a great place. You have put yourself in the position of being like the Gorgon in the Greek myths, who ate his own children. Why on earth do that when you have created something so good? I know that it hurts you to hear this, but it is the truth. If you go on avoiding the truth, and doing nothing to correct what you are doing, despite hearing exactly the same thing from dozens of people, over and over for years, how can there be a good or worthwhile future for Babble? It's very sad to say- there can't be.
Posted by fayeroe on July 6, 2009, at 15:32:21
In reply to Re: trust, posted by twinleaf on July 6, 2009, at 15:26:25
Posted by Lou Pilder on July 6, 2009, at 17:30:15
In reply to Re: trust, posted by twinleaf on July 6, 2009, at 15:26:25
> Bob...it would be so much more helpful to us if you did not keep going slightly off-track when the topic of people leaving Babble because they have been hurt by it comes up, as it does over and over.
>
> Everyone, except you apparently, is very clear that they are NOT confusing past hurts in their lives with hurts which have occurred here on this site. They are so definitive and self-aware about this that it is really rather insulting and patronizing of you to keep telling posters here that you feel you know better than they do what their hidden or unconscious motives for feeling hurt might be. You don't.
>
> We would like you to understand that the large number of posters who have left have done so because this site, which they valued and trusted a lot, has hurt them. To be specific, your severe blocking policies have hurt them. In my six years posting here, it has been my experience that it is very rare for one poster to hurt another badly. Usually, things are worked out, or, quite often, posters who do not get anything positive out of posting to one another just avoid doing it. A large majority of the interactions here are tremendously caring, understanding and helpful. So, everyone is mostly solving the interpersonal problems which arise by themselves. Punitive actions are just not needed, although I think administrative help in making sure people do solve these situations can occasionally be very valuable.
>
> Really, saying that a negative view of Twitter reflects a positive view of Babble is just not a relevant or intelligible statement. People are concerned about their increasing loss of privacy over what they may have said in the past online here. Even though we have given you permission to use what we say here for other purposes, I think most of us assumed that you meant that you might use data or other information in psychiatric publications, while guaranteeing our privacy, as other publishing psychiatrists are always careful to do. Twitter is a very different proposition, and as several internet-savvy posters have pointed out, may increase the possibility of posters being identified IRL, because of the increased cross-referencing which can be done. None of us really know yet whether this is a valid concern, but a number of us are concerned that it might be- thus all the opt-outs. Liking Babble better than Twitter is SO not the point- our privacy is.
>
> Your blocking policies, and the way you enforce them, are what have hurt people here. If it weren't for how harshly you have treated people in your own community, this would be such a great place. You have put yourself in the position of being like the Gorgon in the Greek myths, who ate his own children. Why on earth do that when you have created something so good? I know that it hurts you to hear this, but it is the truth. If you go on avoiding the truth, and doing nothing to correct what you are doing, despite hearing exactly the same thing from dozens of people, over and over for years, how can there be a good or worthwhile future for Babble? It's very sad to say- there can't be.twinleaf,
You wrote,[...You (Mr. Hsiung)...being like the G*rgon..xxx his own xxxxxxx...][...I know it xxxx...it is the truth...].
I am unsure as to what you are wanting to mean here. If you could post answers to the following, then I could respond accordingly.
A. How do you know that Mr. Hsiung is xxxx by what you wrote to him?
B. What criteria did you use to determine that it is the xxxxx?
C. In the Greek myth, what criteria did you use to make the analogy?
D. other aspects not stated
Lou
Posted by twinleaf on July 6, 2009, at 17:50:26
In reply to Re: trust..great post! (nm) » twinleaf, posted by fayeroe on July 6, 2009, at 15:32:21
Thanks, Fayeroe! I do appreciate the support. But it's probably way overdue for me to stop talking about this. There are such great things about Babble that I keep thinking, "if only...'
I'm so sorry about your garden. It sounded so beautiful, and you put so much work and care into it. Is it much hotter and drier than usual this summer? It must be.
Posted by twinleaf on July 6, 2009, at 17:54:08
In reply to Lou's request-WCFeeldz » twinleaf, posted by Lou Pilder on July 6, 2009, at 17:30:15
I'm sorry, Lou. So far, I'm batting 0% in being able to answer you.
Posted by fayeroe on July 6, 2009, at 18:33:39
In reply to Re: trust..great post! » fayeroe, posted by twinleaf on July 6, 2009, at 17:50:26
> Thanks, Fayeroe! I do appreciate the support. But it's probably way overdue for me to stop talking about this. There are such great things about Babble that I keep thinking, "if only...'
I probably shouldn't talk about what Bob says either. But when I see an apparent effort to manipulate what others have posted, I have to reply to it.
>
> I'm so sorry about your garden. It sounded so beautiful, and you put so much work and care into it. Is it much hotter and drier than usual this summer? It must be.We're having the worst drought that we've had in 50 years. I can only imagine what the farmers and ranchers are experiencing. We had a horrid year in 2008 and so many people went broke when their crops and livestock died.
Posted by henrietta on July 6, 2009, at 19:58:10
In reply to Re: trust..great post! » fayeroe, posted by twinleaf on July 6, 2009, at 17:50:26
I'm sorry I haven't publicly supported your incisive and important posts, twinleaf. I read them and am greatly cheered that somebody is saying what needs to be said, and is able to spend the time to say it articulately and compassionately and CIVILLY. I thank you for your continued efforts on the behalf of of all of us.
AND, by the way, to Fayroe. GOD, do I feel for you and your garden. I don't really think (I may be wrong, of course) that people who don't garden get it. Don't get the grief that a gardener feels after 4 years of drought, or after an over-population of deer has trampled, in 5 seconds, the cosmos you started from seed in February, or the vegetables and herbs destroyed by four-lined bugs, and all the beauty you dreamed all winter, and worked your f'in butt off for, and spent loving care planting, and depend on for both food and joy---
OK, this paragraph has lost its thread. But I understand, Fayroe, and am so saddened by the loss of your garden. I nearly cried today when I read your post.
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