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Posted by 10derHeart on July 5, 2009, at 1:20:52
In reply to Re: will there be a 'no twitter' list?, posted by Zeba on July 4, 2009, at 11:42:22
No disrespect intended to your attorney, or to you, of course, but we all already gave Dr. Bob permission. See my post about that here:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20090529/msgs/904386.html
Posted by garnet71 on July 5, 2009, at 1:20:53
In reply to Re: will there be a 'no twitter' list? » Zeba, posted by 10derHeart on July 4, 2009, at 16:13:11
Just another view to add to that "disclaimer" or "ememption" concepts...
I don't know anything about law, but I do know almost every website, service provider, business has some type of "disclaimer" that supposedly exempts them from being at fault if any harm is done. For example, when I got my home inspection done, the inspector was 'exempt' from not knowing about any damage which he could not see. Well, in my basement, there was insulation stapled under the floor in one spot-it was hiding severe termite damage. It was unusual the insulation was only in that spot. I did not even think of it until later when my bathtub almost fell into my basement. I think the home inspector should have noticed the insulation roll and peeled back a corner to look into it, especially considering he saw other past termite damange, but he did not. Did I sue? No, I could not risk paying an attorney if I lost, like most low-income people. The area was easily accessible and I feel he should have known better to at least check, being the expert and all. Knowing nothing about construction, termites, and structure, I was dependent upon his expertise. Would I have won a suit against him despite the disclosure? I'll never know, but I do know people get sued all the time despite these types of 'disclaimers'.
I think a person who comes to a mental health forum run by a mental health professional and doctor has a reasonable expectation that their mental health distress comments will not be taken and broadcast to the world. Furthermore, just because we "agree" with the disclaimer by posting on the site, does that mean Dr. Bob can just take our posts, print them out, and bring them to our personal therapists and doctors or broadcast them on TV during a discovery channel episode? Hypothetical examples, but really, think about the implications, the harm that CAN be done if one wanted to...There is an expectation of some sort of safety/privacy in connection with the posts - in relation to the OWNER of the site - expected from the posters here, I think, because Dr. Bob is a mental health professional who we believe is aware of the rules that govern the mental health profession and patient disclosure laws. We would expect him to be sensitive to these issues and not harm us despite the "disclaimer" that says he can do what he wants with our posts. The point is, we would not expect harm or the broadcasting of our distress (those who express it here), regardless of any disclaimer.
Posted by garnet71 on July 5, 2009, at 1:20:54
In reply to Re: will there be a 'no twitter' list? » 10derHeart, posted by garnet71 on July 4, 2009, at 17:39:02
Ok, that was too rambly...In short, if every entity/person simply refers back to a disclosure that supposedly exonerates them from any and all responsibility for their actions or results of such actions connected with a 'transaction', would we even need civil courts?
Posted by fayeroe on July 5, 2009, at 1:20:55
In reply to Re: will there be a 'no twitter' list?, posted by garnet71 on July 4, 2009, at 18:00:13
Posted by Deneb on July 5, 2009, at 1:20:55
In reply to Re: will there be a 'no twitter' list? » 10derHeart, posted by garnet71 on July 4, 2009, at 17:39:02
Dr. Bob hasn't been broadcasting our deepest darkest thoughts or whatever on Twitter. So far the tweets have been pretty casual and not personal. Maybe we need to just trust Dr. Bob won't harm us.
He really seems to think about our safety online. He added the informed consent page and he always makes sure no identifying information is publicized. He even told reporters at the APA to not identify us. I think he is looking out for us. I trust him.
Posted by Dr. Bob on July 5, 2009, at 1:28:55
In reply to Re: will there be a 'no twitter' list? » garnet71, posted by Deneb on July 5, 2009, at 1:20:55
> Dr. Bob hasn't been broadcasting our deepest darkest thoughts or whatever on Twitter. So far the tweets have been pretty casual and not personal. Maybe we need to just trust Dr. Bob won't harm us.
Maybe some posters are wary because they were harmed when they trusted others in the past.
Bob
Posted by rjlockhart04-08 on July 5, 2009, at 1:40:30
In reply to Re: trust, posted by Dr. Bob on July 5, 2009, at 1:28:55
due!
You ever heard someone changing into a devil? Snap! it was my entire life!
Posted by rjlockhart04-08 on July 5, 2009, at 1:45:54
In reply to Re: will there be a 'no twitter' list? » 10derHeart, posted by garnet71 on July 5, 2009, at 1:20:53
man.....man! tweet tweet tweet! it just doesnt stop does it?
High school was over....EEE EEE, life isnt over, i mean garnet71? twitter? what about facebook? well...nevermind, somepeople I know, metrically thinking know abou this....not thrilled.
Twittie and privite Email? does that sound good?
Posted by SLS on July 5, 2009, at 5:41:56
In reply to Re: trust, posted by Dr. Bob on July 5, 2009, at 1:28:55
> Maybe some posters are wary because they were harmed when they trusted others in the past.
My concerns revolve around a distrust of others outside the realm of Psycho-Babble. It only takes one. Whether or not such a thing is possible is not a dilemma for me if I opt out of something from which I receive no benefit.
Better safe than sorry...
- Scott
Posted by Partlycloudy on July 5, 2009, at 7:23:21
In reply to Re: trust, posted by Dr. Bob on July 5, 2009, at 1:28:55
> > Dr. Bob hasn't been broadcasting our deepest darkest thoughts or whatever on Twitter. So far the tweets have been pretty casual and not personal. Maybe we need to just trust Dr. Bob won't harm us.
>
> Maybe some posters are wary because they were harmed when they trusted others in the past.
>
> BobI want to be the person who decides what is submitted of my words to Twitter, not somebody else. It's not an issue of trust for me, but of being in control of my input.
pc
Posted by rjlockhart04-08 on July 5, 2009, at 11:27:06
In reply to Re: trust - Not my issue » Dr. Bob, posted by Partlycloudy on July 5, 2009, at 7:23:21
I don't trust anyone here anymore, even the nicest people are turning into something else.
Posted by SLS on July 5, 2009, at 13:11:17
In reply to Re: trust - Not my issue, posted by rjlockhart04-08 on July 5, 2009, at 11:27:06
> I don't trust anyone here anymore, even the nicest people are turning into something else.
When it seems that the whole world is changing right before your eyes, it often signals that something is not right.
- Scott
Posted by gobbledygook on July 5, 2009, at 13:55:45
In reply to Re: trust - Not my issue, posted by rjlockhart04-08 on July 5, 2009, at 11:27:06
> "I don't trust anyone here anymore, even the nicest people are turning into something else." - rj
******************************************************************************************Is this site going to twitter pbcs and blocks issued...along with the wisdom, knowledge and support shared on babble?
I would think it would be good to let the twittering community know about all of the "Babble Family Rules" before
coming here. What I find helpful in my life is reality...along with kindness, understanding, and respect.Sincerely,
Ava
Hi rj,I'm sorry I haven't replied sooner to your sweet messages to Gobbleduck on Social. I've been very busy trying to be
a good mom to my little girl since her school ended for the summer. But, I have seen your messages here and there,
and you've brought many smiles to my face...so thank you.Guess where I'm going for a holiday soon? BH 90210! I'm going to be doing a lot of "stargazing" at sidewalk cafes,
and if I run into Tori or Shannon by chance, I will try to get you their autograph...for real! I just might run into Tori
at the beach or park since we both have kids. Wish me luck!You are a very sweet person, ((rj))...always remember to respect and nurture yourself...
Ava
Gobbleduck
Quackduck
Gobbledygook
:)
Posted by fayeroe on July 5, 2009, at 15:17:45
In reply to Re: trust, posted by Dr. Bob on July 5, 2009, at 1:28:55
Bob, some posters have been hurt here. (I am only speaking of posters that I've communicated with over the years)
Look how many have opted out...40+.
What is that saying? Lipstick on a pig?
Posted by Nadezda on July 5, 2009, at 16:34:15
In reply to Re: trust, posted by Dr. Bob on July 5, 2009, at 1:28:55
I personally am dismayed and feel really out of place on this site after reading this thread. I guess my experiences on second life and twitter are quite different from that of others, but I've found a lot of good things in both. As a participant in both, I personally feel a bit put-down by the comments made about users and their motives and attitudes-- they certainly aren't mine as a user.
It's kind of as if no one here thinks there can be value in these places-- or that the people who go there are looking for and able to offer one another something meaningful. Which is not my experience at all.
Nadezda
Posted by fayeroe on July 5, 2009, at 16:51:59
In reply to Re: trust, posted by Nadezda on July 5, 2009, at 16:34:15
> I personally am dismayed and feel really out of place on this site after reading this thread. I guess my experiences on second life and twitter are quite different from that of others, but I've found a lot of good things in both. As a participant in both, I personally feel a bit put-down by the comments made about users and their motives and attitudes-- they certainly aren't mine as a user.
>
> It's kind of as if no one here thinks there can be value in these places-- or that the people who go there are looking for and able to offer one another something meaningful. Which is not my experience at all.
>
>
> NadezdaI am sorry that you feel that way, Nadezda. We're all individuals and have had different life experiences, here, as well IRL. I have.
Several posters don't want one more thing to deal with...i.e. twittering.....some don't want their personal posts put out for the entire world to see.....
I am reading the same posts that you are and I just don't see the negativity/knocking issues that you are seeing.
Again, I'm sorry that this has upset you.
Posted by SLS on July 5, 2009, at 17:13:57
In reply to Re: trust, posted by Nadezda on July 5, 2009, at 16:34:15
> I personally am dismayed and feel really out of place on this site after reading this thread. I guess my experiences on second life and twitter are quite different from that of others, but I've found a lot of good things in both. As a participant in both, I personally feel a bit put-down by the comments made about users and their motives and attitudes-- they certainly aren't mine as a user.
>
> It's kind of as if no one here thinks there can be value in these places-- or that the people who go there are looking for and able to offer one another something meaningful. Which is not my experience at all.
>
>
> Nadezda
I'm not putting down Twitter or the people who participate in it. I just don't know enough about it. Why should I take a chance on something unknown to me if I don't have to? My ignorance prevents me from trusting. There is very little stigma associated with audiophiles or numismatists.The other thing is the concern that taking my words out of context is a form of editing, something I don't appreciate. For some odd reason, I trust the doctor not to go out of his way to twist my words purposely. However, even he cannot always understand my meanings well enough to know what to excerpt and what to ignore.
I just don't know. And right now, I don't have the time or energy to invest in educating myself about Twitter.
Your endorsement does capture my interest, though.
- Scott
Posted by Zeba on July 5, 2009, at 19:55:42
In reply to Re: trust, posted by Dr. Bob on July 5, 2009, at 1:28:55
yep--like trusting you and the other docs from your place. Big huge fat mistake on my part and one I will pay for the rest of my life.
Posted by Dr. Bob on July 6, 2009, at 0:53:46
In reply to Re: trust, posted by Nadezda on July 5, 2009, at 16:34:15
> Bob, some posters have been hurt here.
>
> Look how many have opted out...40+.
>
> What is that saying?
>
> fayeroeMaybe it says lots of posters have been hurt when they've trusted others in the past. Or:
> I guess my experiences on second life and twitter are quite different from that of others, but I've found a lot of good things in both.
>
> It's kind of as if no one here thinks there can be value in these places-- or that the people who go there are looking for and able to offer one another something meaningful. Which is not my experience at all.
>
> NadezdaMaybe a negative view of other online groups reflects a positive view of this one. It may be a sign of cohesion.
Bob
Posted by rjlockhart04-08 on July 6, 2009, at 1:03:05
In reply to Re: trust, posted by Dr. Bob on July 6, 2009, at 0:53:46
Who is the Grandmasta? behind all this!
Posted by rjlockhart04-08 on July 6, 2009, at 1:06:05
In reply to Re: trust, posted by Dr. Bob on July 6, 2009, at 0:53:46
Grandbob! You have been here w/me years?
Rerember, all that hell, now again? Wow! give me popeye'd 5! yea! Called never ending Hell.
Posted by rjlockhart04-08 on July 6, 2009, at 1:10:30
In reply to Re: trust, posted by rjlockhart04-08 on July 6, 2009, at 1:06:05
tweet tweet! how fast is the modem going? Trust and Tweet are great!
Mine is pretty slow! 52kbs! I am driving a Ford Taurus at 50miles the speed limit, and ran into Patty, and she knocked me off the CyberHighway! Boo Hooo Hooo, what's for breakfast!
Posted by rjlockhart04-08 on July 6, 2009, at 1:20:51
In reply to Twittering PBCs + Blocks along w/Wisdom + Support. » rjlockhart04-08, posted by gobbledygook on July 5, 2009, at 13:55:45
???
Who is this! Gobbleduck, have you returned? Quack!
I would like to give my graditude to everyone, who has given the most kindest respect here also, also gobble, I did not know Spelling wrote ABC's!
Went to the Library.....didnt have it in stock, got mad, went to another library, then said, yak! screw it! just read online!
Catch U later, don't what's going to hit the cieling next here! Wow! is it a cat or wig! man that thing flew across the house so fast, i can't see 20/20 on TV!
Respect to Gobbleduck.
Quack!
rj
Posted by fayeroe on July 6, 2009, at 10:47:43
In reply to Re: trust, posted by Dr. Bob on July 6, 2009, at 0:53:46
Posted by Nadezda on July 6, 2009, at 14:37:37
In reply to Re: trust, posted by Dr. Bob on July 6, 2009, at 0:53:46
"Maybe a negative view of other online groups reflects a positive view of this one. It may be a sign of cohesion."That does cheer me up considerably. I hope that's more what it is. --
Thanks --
Nadezda
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