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Dr. Bob is Robert Hsiung, MD,
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Posted by Dr. Bob on July 2, 2009, at 0:21:31
Hi, everyone,
To keep that other thread just opt-outs, I'm going to redirect other posts here.
Bob
Posted by alexandra_k on July 2, 2009, at 0:25:46
In reply to Re: will there be a 'no twitter' list?, posted by twinleaf on June 30, 2009, at 3:25:30
if i could muster the enthusiasm to care i'd say nope as well
Posted by BayLeaf on July 2, 2009, at 0:25:46
In reply to Re: this is it (nm) » BayLeaf, posted by Dr. Bob on July 1, 2009, at 21:29:10
Seriously...did I miss the announcement?
Cuz, when it comes to privacy - you'd think you might consider that important.
I noticed the pretty pictures changed again, but I didn't see any annoucement about Twitter and/or opting out. If I missed it, which is certainly possible - could be others did too.
Bay
Posted by Dinah on July 2, 2009, at 0:25:46
In reply to Re: this is it » Dr. Bob, posted by BayLeaf on July 1, 2009, at 21:58:33
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20090529/msgs/903953.html
He says here that he'll respect the wishes of those who announce on this thread that they don't wish to be tweeted. Or whatever.
I still don't fully understand Twitter.
At the moment, subscribing seems more perilous to privacy than being tweeted.
But maybe I'm not understanding that either. If someone subscribes to Babel under a non-anonymous twitter account name, and also other people subscribe to them and they subscribe to anything other than Babel, is there a clear trail? I'm rather thinking there would need to be in order to accomplish what Dr. Bob wishes. And all that's fine if people realize it and choose to associate non-Anonymous accounts with Babble.
Posted by BayLeaf on July 2, 2009, at 0:25:46
In reply to Re: this is it » BayLeaf, posted by Dinah on July 1, 2009, at 22:07:15
Dinah - you'd call that an announcement? You are such a generous human!! :-)
Bay
Posted by Dinah on July 2, 2009, at 0:25:46
In reply to Re: this is it » Dinah, posted by BayLeaf on July 1, 2009, at 22:19:18
Thank you! I try. :)
Seriously, I was going to suggest he put it on the top of each board, or at least put a post on each board. At least for a while. And update registrations to put in that specific information.
I still think he ought to.
It's not that it's an evil in itself. At least one person has stated that they don't mind being tweeted and to my knowledge, Scott, Tabitha, and Amelia haven't complained. But disclosure and asking for permission does seem to be the polite thing to do I'd think.
Posted by rjlockhart04-08 on July 2, 2009, at 0:25:47
In reply to Re: Opting Out, posted by rjlockhart04-08 on July 1, 2009, at 23:48:09
This may not make it, I'm asking opting....
If it doesnt go through, that's fine, most of life has sunk. Thank you all, I loved all the poster's that where here and supported while horrible times, and current. And thank you dr-bob, for these wonderful times since 2005.
not going to make it.
rj
Posted by Dinah on July 2, 2009, at 0:26:21
In reply to redirected 'no twitter' posts, posted by Dr. Bob on July 2, 2009, at 0:21:31
Would you like links on the other boards as well? I hate to see the initial post removed.
Posted by Dr. Bob on July 2, 2009, at 0:50:33
In reply to Re: this is it » BayLeaf, posted by Dinah on July 2, 2009, at 0:25:46
> If someone subscribes to Babel under a non-anonymous twitter account name, and also other people subscribe to them and they subscribe to anything other than Babel, is there a clear trail? I'm rather thinking there would need to be in order to accomplish what Dr. Bob wishes.
I'm not sure what kind of trail you mean, but on Twitter I think anyone can see who's following and who's followed by anyone else.
> Seriously, I was going to suggest he put it on the top of each board, or at least put a post on each board. At least for a while. And update registrations to put in that specific information.
Good idea, will do, thanks,
Bob
Posted by Dinah on July 2, 2009, at 1:03:11
In reply to Re: don't fully understand Twitter, posted by Dr. Bob on July 2, 2009, at 0:50:33
That's what I mean. If someone follows twitter and also follows or is followed by someone in their real life, then one can lead to the other and privacy may be compromised.
Do you mind explaining how you think Babble will be benefited? Is it that very sequence of events? That people will follow babble, others will be curious and check it out, etc.? Or is there a less direct route to increasing babble membership through Twitter? Or something that I am too ignorant about Twitter to have considered?
Posted by Deneb on July 2, 2009, at 1:10:21
In reply to Re: don't fully understand Twitter, posted by Dinah on July 2, 2009, at 1:03:11
Hey Dinah, from what I just learned about Twitter, the whole world can see the Psycho-Babel twitter because it is not set to privacy mode. So anyone searching for a term that is in one of the tweets will be lead to the Babble twitter and then they can check out Babble itself.
I get lots of random people finding my twitter. So far a lot of them are just promoting their business though so I delete them from my followers. I want actual people who will read my twitter to follow me.
Posted by Dinah on July 2, 2009, at 1:16:11
In reply to Re: don't fully understand Twitter » Dinah, posted by Deneb on July 2, 2009, at 1:10:21
Hmmm...
Maybe I'm old.
I'm not sure if there's anyone in the world I'd want to follow. Say, if Bob Crane were still alive and I followed him, I really can't see a lot of good coming from it. Either it would be superficial stuff promoting his new movie, or it would be far far too much information about someone with whom I am not intimately acquainted.
Maybe the Dalai Lama or something, if he confined it to words of wisdom. Not what he had for lunch.
Which is neither here nor there about Babble. Just a general showing of my very old age.
Posted by Dinah on July 2, 2009, at 1:22:18
In reply to Re: don't fully understand Twitter » Dinah, posted by Deneb on July 2, 2009, at 1:10:21
Still, it's entirely true that Babble is getting less traffic from Google. And that while some people stay for years on Babble, in general Babble relies on a steady stream of new posters to remain vibrant and healthy. Most people come and leave, hopefully when they are feeling better. Some stay for long periods of time.
If twitter is a way to achieve Babble health, then I can see cautiously supporting the venture.
Posted by Dinah on July 2, 2009, at 1:28:12
In reply to Re: don't fully understand Twitter, posted by Dinah on July 2, 2009, at 1:22:18
How about if people sent you some of their favorite posts for your consideration? By email if you like. You don't read all the boards anymore, and not all the thoughtful and intelligent posts are on Admin. I know I have plenty of truly wonderful posts bookmarked, and if a short excerpt could lead others to them, it would seem like a gift. If, of course, the poster had no objection.
Posted by Dr. Bob on July 2, 2009, at 1:36:36
In reply to Re: don't fully understand Twitter, posted by Dinah on July 2, 2009, at 1:03:11
> That's what I mean. If someone follows twitter and also follows or is followed by someone in their real life, then one can lead to the other and privacy may be compromised.
I'm still not sure I understand your question. If @tom follows @psycho_babel and @dick follows @tom (or even if he doesn't), then @dick can see that @tom follows @psycho_babel. But that doesn't mean @tom is the Babbler Tom. Or even a Babbler at all. @ = Twitter account name.
OTOH, if @tom tweets identifying information and Tom posts the same identifying information, then @dick might connect the dots. See:
http://www.dr-bob.org/twitter/followers.html
> Do you mind explaining how you think Babble will be benefited? Is it that very sequence of events? That people will follow babble, others will be curious and check it out, etc.?
Right, if @dick sees that @tom follows @psycho_babel, he might read my tweets, click on the links to check out the posts, find them thoughtful and intelligent, and join Babble. And follow @psycho_babel himself. Then if @harry follows @dick...
Bob
Posted by Dr. Bob on July 2, 2009, at 1:50:45
In reply to Hey, Dr. Bob, posted by Dinah on July 2, 2009, at 1:28:12
> How about if people sent you some of their favorite posts for your consideration? By email if you like. You don't read all the boards anymore, and not all the thoughtful and intelligent posts are on Admin. I know I have plenty of truly wonderful posts bookmarked, and if a short excerpt could lead others to them, it would seem like a gift. If, of course, the poster had no objection.
That's a great idea! People could just use the notification button. And you deputies could tweet from that account, too.
Bob
Posted by Dinah on July 2, 2009, at 2:07:53
In reply to Re: favorite posts, posted by Dr. Bob on July 2, 2009, at 1:50:45
> And you deputies could tweet from that account, too.
>
> BobSpeaking for myself, I am unequal to that at this point since I barely understand the concept.
Why don't you add the possibility of nominating posts so to speak to the announcement?
Posted by Dinah on July 2, 2009, at 2:13:19
In reply to Re: favorite posts, posted by Dr. Bob on July 2, 2009, at 1:50:45
And Dr. Bob, this again may not be feasible, but since there are significant privacy concerns for posters being followers, maybe it would be possible to instead encourage your colleagues to follow? Or other mental health professionals who may find Babble a resource? Or others who risk nothing to follow Babble?
Posted by Dr. Bob on July 2, 2009, at 2:35:37
In reply to Re: favorite posts, posted by Dinah on July 2, 2009, at 2:13:19
> Why don't you add the possibility of nominating posts so to speak to the announcement?
Another good idea, thanks again!
> And Dr. Bob, this again may not be feasible, but since there are significant privacy concerns for posters being followers, maybe it would be possible to instead encourage your colleagues to follow? Or other mental health professionals who may find Babble a resource? Or others who risk nothing to follow Babble?
I'd say I've discouraged following more than encouraged it. Also, people don't have to follow someone to see their tweets.
Bob
Posted by Dinah on July 2, 2009, at 7:51:05
In reply to Re: favorite posts, posted by Dr. Bob on July 2, 2009, at 2:35:37
A fair number of posters whose posts I think would be a gift to others have signed up to opt out.
I think at this point, and balancing my concerns about Babble's dwindling numbers with my discomfort at seeing my words in a context other than I meant them and a place other than where I posted them, I don't think I know enough to opt out. So far it doesn't seem all that different from google search results, assuming you don't excerpt poorly. I have my concerns, but I guess they aren't so great as to say no at this point. I reserve the right to say no in the future, or if I learn more about Twitter and the possible consequences.
Need the posts we suggest be about Babble or Administration? Some of the ones I'm thinking of are about therapy or life.
Posted by Dinah on July 2, 2009, at 7:54:14
In reply to Re: favorite posts » Dr. Bob, posted by Dinah on July 2, 2009, at 7:51:05
Of course, a short excerpt might not do them justice if people don't follow the links back.
I've often thought it would be wonderful to have posters work together with you to do some sort of "Wisdom of Babble" book. :)
Which is not a suggestion. Just a wish.
Posted by twinleaf on July 2, 2009, at 8:32:31
In reply to Re: favorite posts, posted by Dinah on July 2, 2009, at 7:54:14
I'm starting to sound like a total broken record, but if the principal reason for using Twitter is to attract more new posters, why not consider more seriously one of the main reasons active Babblers leave. They get hurt by the severe blocking policies. Friends and onlookers leave because they are fearful the same thing will happen to them, and they begin to feel unsafe here.
Posters love Babble- it is fascinating, intimate, and can be tremendously helpful and informative to us all. In general, I don't think people want to leave, even when they are feeling better, although they will probably post less often as their outside lives become fuller.
Bob just stated, above, that his reason for giving blocks, including long or escalating ones, was to enforce the Babble civility rules. Wouldn't it be wonderful if he could achieve the same objective- making sure the civility rules were followed, while giving blocks in such a moderate and careful manner that no-one ever left Babble because of them? It's eminently feasible- it's what good parents (and good administrators) do every day of their lives.
Posted by Dr. Bob on July 2, 2009, at 9:34:17
In reply to Re: favorite posts, posted by twinleaf on July 2, 2009, at 8:32:31
> Posters love Babble- it is fascinating, intimate, and can be tremendously helpful and informative to us all.
Too bad you opted out, I think:
twinleaf: Babble is fascinating, intimate, and can be tremendously helpful and informative to us all. http://tiny.dr-bob.org/fnug
would've made a nice tweet.
Bob
Posted by rjlockhart04-08 on July 2, 2009, at 9:51:19
In reply to Re: favorite posts, posted by Dr. Bob on July 2, 2009, at 9:34:17
was the opting out successful, the ship sank. Still in the water....Is the Carpathia coming soon? I'm cold!
Dr-bob, need some imput....
I've got to run to Lowe's and Deal with Rob again, this time I need to see if he has some telepgraph radio's, sometimes walking into lowe's, it's the best, people are friendly, not all, some go in the back, don't know what they do...eat lunch? Last time it was, Vacuume cleaner belt's, he said no in stock, I have a section to elite leather belts for jeans.
Whew! Cold! waiting for Carpathia to get here! get to New York and go to Lowe's and finish the new home Refuirnishment in New York, or penthouse. It's a deal there!
Posted by rjlockhart04-08 on July 2, 2009, at 9:53:50
In reply to Re: don't fully understand Twitter, posted by Dinah on July 2, 2009, at 1:16:11
Where Did the good dr-bob go? Who's running this Dr-Phil?
rj
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