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Posted by Lamdage22 on February 5, 2018, at 6:41:16
Hello psychobabblers,
what about Naltrexone? I dont know how i would get somebody to prescribe this but could it helP?
THX
Lamdage
Posted by Christ_empowered on February 5, 2018, at 9:28:55
In reply to Low Dose Naltrexone?, posted by Lamdage22 on February 5, 2018, at 6:41:16
hi. im not any sort of expert on LDN, but from what I've read, very low dose naltrexone (ideally from a compounding pharmacy) can boost the immune system, boost the opioid system, and can have mild stimulating effects.
so...maybe? opioids have been used in depression and Schizophrenia, off and on for a long, long time. I read a relatively recent case study from the UK (I think...) in which a chronic Schizophrenia patient was given a moderate dose of a potent opioid, basically to relieve his mental anguish. Makes sense, intuitively, and it seemed to help (however one gauges "helping...").
sorry you're suffering. I hope things get better in your world. :-)
Posted by Lamdage22 on February 5, 2018, at 10:51:13
In reply to Re: Low Dose Naltrexone?, posted by Christ_empowered on February 5, 2018, at 9:28:55
Thanks CE,
i am scheduled at a prescribing doctors office on 19th of February. I am very excited. Apparently this works by upregulation of the opioid system. It is an antagonist at these opioid sites. So its not like taking an opiate in theory.
Posted by Lamdage22 on February 6, 2018, at 3:39:03
In reply to Re: Low Dose Naltrexone?, posted by Lamdage22 on February 5, 2018, at 10:51:13
Hey,
low dose naltrexone sounds really good and i have an appointment on 19th february but it can cause badinsomnia. How can i manage this?
I really need something for sleep.
Posted by Lamdage22 on February 6, 2018, at 8:13:29
In reply to Naltrexone can cause insomnia help, posted by Lamdage22 on February 6, 2018, at 3:39:03
I think alot of people should look into this for their mental health issues. https://www.ldnscience.org/resources/interviews/interview-mark-shukhman
Posted by Hugh on February 7, 2018, at 11:12:53
In reply to Look into low dose Naltrexone, posted by Lamdage22 on February 6, 2018, at 8:13:29
I've used low dose naltrexone. As an antidepressant, I found it to be mildly effective. Some people's moods have a robust response to LDN. It can help some autoimmune disorders and some types of cancer.
It can cause sleep disturbances, including vivid dreams. This is why you should start with a low dosage -- about 1.5 mg. You should gradually increase your dosage over a period of weeks. The maximum dosage is 4.5 mg. For me, the sleep disturbances caused by LDN faded away over time.
People either have a compounding pharmacy prepare their low dose naltrexone capsules or they make their own liquid LDN. You do this by dissolving a 50 mg naltrexone tablet in 50 ml of distilled water. Keep this in the refrigerator and use a medicine dropper to administer the dose by mixing it with a little water. Some people mix it with juice because liquid LDN is bitter.
Most people recommend taking LDN at bedtime.
Posted by Lamdage22 on February 7, 2018, at 12:47:02
In reply to Re: Look into low dose Naltrexone » Lamdage22, posted by Hugh on February 7, 2018, at 11:12:53
Thanks Hugh for your contribution.
Posted by Lamdage22 on February 10, 2018, at 16:03:37
In reply to Re: Look into low dose Naltrexone » Lamdage22, posted by Hugh on February 7, 2018, at 11:12:53
is it risky to try? Could it lead to emergence of psychosis? From what i have googeled it does not although it seams to enhance dopamine a bit.
Posted by Hugh on February 11, 2018, at 12:59:23
In reply to Re: Look into low dose Naltrexone, posted by Lamdage22 on February 10, 2018, at 16:03:37
I've never heard about LDN causing psychosis.
Here are the drugs to avoid while taking LDN:
https://sites.google.com/site/dudleyslowdosenaltrexonesites/home/drugs-to-avoid-on-ldn
Posted by Lamdage22 on February 16, 2018, at 7:05:03
In reply to Re: Look into low dose Naltrexone, posted by Hugh on February 11, 2018, at 12:59:23
Should i try? What is the worst that could come from it. I am fearful of meds.
Posted by Hugh on February 16, 2018, at 10:44:00
In reply to low dose Naltrexone safe?, posted by Lamdage22 on February 16, 2018, at 7:05:03
I experienced far few side effects with LDN than I did with most antidepressants. My most pronounced side effect was vivid dreams, which I didn't really mind at all.
Posted by Lamdage22 on February 17, 2018, at 11:02:04
In reply to Re: low dose Naltrexone safe? » Lamdage22, posted by Hugh on February 16, 2018, at 10:44:00
I think im gonna try and will give you an update.
Posted by Hugh on February 18, 2018, at 15:29:45
In reply to Re: low dose Naltrexone safe?, posted by Lamdage22 on February 17, 2018, at 11:02:04
Good luck with LDN. Are you still going to try neurofeedback?
Posted by Lamdage22 on February 19, 2018, at 0:37:30
In reply to Re: low dose Naltrexone safe? » Lamdage22, posted by Hugh on February 18, 2018, at 15:29:45
Thanks. Yes i am but we are still doing anamnesis.
Posted by Lamdage22 on February 20, 2018, at 9:56:52
In reply to Re: low dose Naltrexone safe?, posted by Lamdage22 on February 19, 2018, at 0:37:30
Is LDN more likely to cause psychosis than MAOI? or is it less likely?
Because hallucinations is listed as a side effect!!
Posted by Hugh on February 23, 2018, at 15:54:06
In reply to LDN= Hallucinations? Psychosis? Risk?, posted by Lamdage22 on February 20, 2018, at 9:56:52
I've never heard anything about low dose naltrexone causing hallucinations. Could it be that hallucinations are a possible side effect of naltrexone instead of LDN? When naltrexone is used to treat alcoholism or drug addictions, the dosage is 50 mg or higher. The dosage for low dose naltrexone is 2 - 4.5 mg.
Posted by Lamdage22 on February 28, 2018, at 6:45:24
In reply to Re: LDN= Hallucinations? Psychosis? Risk?, posted by Hugh on February 23, 2018, at 15:54:06
Yesterday i took 0.2 mg and after that 0.3mg for a total of .5 mg. Tonight i am going 1mg and tomorrow i am going 1.5mg. No events so far. I am scared sh*tl*ss of side effects given my psychotic experience with MAOI. That was not fun but i dont think that naltrexone carries the same risk as MAOI.
Posted by Hugh on March 1, 2018, at 11:53:34
In reply to Low dose naltrexone, posted by Lamdage22 on February 28, 2018, at 6:45:24
I'd suggest staying at 1.5 mg for a week or so, and then going to 2 for a week, and so on. Even though the maximum dosage for LDN is 4.5 mg, some people feel better on 3 or 3.5 or 2 or 2.5.
Posted by Lamdage22 on March 2, 2018, at 5:43:16
In reply to Re: Low dose naltrexone, posted by Hugh on March 1, 2018, at 11:53:34
Thanks Hugh,
that sounds like a good plan.
Posted by Lamdage22 on March 2, 2018, at 12:16:46
In reply to Re: Low dose naltrexone, posted by Lamdage22 on March 2, 2018, at 5:43:16
i wonder if i can add alcohol to the liquid to avoid bacteria
Posted by ed_uk2010 on March 2, 2018, at 17:43:00
In reply to Re: Look into low dose Naltrexone, posted by Lamdage22 on February 10, 2018, at 16:03:37
>is it risky to try? Could it lead to emergence of psychosis?
The side effect list of naltrexone was developed from the 50mg dose, usually in patients recently withdrawn from high doses opioids. 50mg is a very potent opioid antagonist, and considering that a lot of patients who were given naltrexone still had a degree of opioid withdrawal, the side effects in this situation could be unusual and very unpleasant.
I wouldn't anticipate any such symptoms in someone taking tiny doses. And someone who is not opioid dependent. It's a completely different situation.
Posted by Lamdage22 on March 3, 2018, at 1:29:19
In reply to Re: Look into low dose Naltrexone » Lamdage22, posted by ed_uk2010 on March 2, 2018, at 17:43:00
thanks ed for the clarification
Posted by Lamdage22 on March 3, 2018, at 10:36:28
In reply to Re: Look into low dose Naltrexone, posted by Lamdage22 on March 3, 2018, at 1:29:19
Hey friends,
i have taken 1.5 mg for two nights now. I get somewhat more vivid dreams and feel some sort of sedation. But nothing too crazy.
I was told to take 1,5mg for 4 weeks, 3mg for 4 weeks and then 4.5 mg. I dont want to do it more quickly than that.
How long on a dosage until i know if it will have a positive effect? 3 Months?
Posted by Hugh on March 3, 2018, at 12:26:00
In reply to Re: Low dose naltrexone, posted by Lamdage22 on March 2, 2018, at 12:16:46
> i wonder if i can add alcohol to the liquid to avoid bacteria
There's no need to use alcohol as a preservative. If you keep the liquid LDN refrigerated, it will stay fresh for over a month.
Posted by Lamdage22 on March 8, 2018, at 12:13:46
In reply to Re: Low dose naltrexone » Lamdage22, posted by Hugh on March 3, 2018, at 12:26:00
I wonder if i have additional anxiety or if it is just the usual anxiety.
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