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Posted by Axmann on May 12, 2016, at 16:39:32
24 year old male with history of severe ADD-PI and dysthymia. I'm in my last year of nursing school.
Adderall used to improve every aspect of my life, including mood, ability to focus and think clearly, and lifelong brain fog.
Fast forward 4 years, and now *any* stimulant medication makes me feel HORRIFIC when it wears off, which never used to happen before.
I'm just so cloudy now and the meds don't work anymore and I'm afraid I'm not going to make it across the finish line of nursing school.
Posted by Lou Pilder on May 12, 2016, at 20:41:31
In reply to Why don't my meds work anymore/make me feel bad?, posted by Axmann on May 12, 2016, at 16:39:32
> 24 year old male with history of severe ADD-PI and dysthymia. I'm in my last year of nursing school.
>
> Adderall used to improve every aspect of my life, including mood, ability to focus and think clearly, and lifelong brain fog.
>
> Fast forward 4 years, and now *any* stimulant medication makes me feel HORRIFIC when it wears off, which never used to happen before.
>
> I'm just so cloudy now and the meds don't work anymore and I'm afraid I'm not going to make it across the finish line of nursing school.Axmann,
You wrote,[...now *any* stimulant makes me feel HORRIFIC when it wares off...the meds don't work...].
If all of that was told t you before you decided to take the drugs, would you have went ahead and taken the drugs?
And would you advise others now to not take these drugs?
You see, these drugs are not medicines because they do not treat a disease or cure. They are chemical nerve agents used in insecticides and poisons and in the commission of mass-murder. Thousands of people each month are killed by these drugs promoted by psychiatry and the drug manufacturers together. And thousands more become addicted and have life-ruining conditions from these drugs and kill themselves.
Here I am trying to stop posters from advocating these drugs without posting the adverse consequences from the drugs which then seriously misleads readers to think that these drugs are safer than they really are. This is compounded by the fact that the psychiatrist here chairing this site allows members to post such which could cause their death.
I have examined your case by what you wrote and my understanding is that you are near the edge of a cliff to fall off to your death. It is as it seems that unless a giant hand falls out of the sky to save you from falling, and pull you out of the raging sea that you are in, you could be another victim of the greatest successful false advertising campaign of all time.
But there is a way out of the raging sea to stand on a sea of glass. No more to be tossed to and fro in the mire and dirt, but to return to the green fields that you used to know.
Lou
Posted by Christ_empowered on May 12, 2016, at 20:51:18
In reply to Why don't my meds work anymore/make me feel bad?, posted by Axmann on May 12, 2016, at 16:39:32
have you tried vyvanse? its supposed to be extra long lasting and not cause a crash.
Also...some kinda gaba sedative towards the end of the day, maybe? Neurontin, lyrica, a low dose of some sort of benzodiazepine...just a thought.
Good luck!
Posted by Hello321 on May 12, 2016, at 22:06:19
In reply to Why don't my meds work anymore/make me feel bad?, posted by Axmann on May 12, 2016, at 16:39:32
Over time these meds can make your brain less sensitive to the neurotransmitters they originally increase. Your brain tries to maintain homeostasis, and when it sees the meds doing all the work, your brain is in an even less "healthy" state because of the med. Ive experienced it. Some peoples brains seem to bounce back after these meds screw with them. Some brains just don't.
I think a med called Cyproheptadine worked great to help my brain recover after chronically taking adderall. If you look at the way it works, it's not really clear why it would help at all with this. But if you read into the receptors it blocks off,particularly the 5ht2c receptor, which Cyproheptadine shuts off all activity of that receptor with its inverse Agonism. The 5ht2c receptor in your brain inhibits dopamine release. When it's blocked off, your brain is more free to release dopamine.
I just know when I took adderall for about a month, I felt a lot like you described. Then when i took Cyproheptadine for a few weeks. Slowly increasing the dose as I saw fit, I ended up feeling much better.
Posted by rjlockhart37 on May 12, 2016, at 22:32:53
In reply to Why don't my meds work anymore/make me feel bad?, posted by Axmann on May 12, 2016, at 16:39:32
usally amphetamine causes dyphoria when it wear off......i took it for 10 years, always knew that dreaded time when it wore off and felt washed out and terribly in a bad mood
you could ask to switch to another stimulant like focalin, but still stimulants can exaserbate mood problems, they make you work and get things done, but sometimes they mess with the mood.....
you could add a benzo to it, after it wears off but ... that's kinda of stimulant downer combination, i used to take ativan all time time after dexedrine wore off.....it calmed me down and made me relax but i was still a bit depressed
you have to take around the clock so you won't get the crash, have a 12 hour treatment, then a benzo to gett to sleep, but antipsychosis medications can block the dyphoria effect
Posted by J Kelly on May 13, 2016, at 6:39:40
In reply to Why don't my meds work anymore/make me feel bad?, posted by Axmann on May 12, 2016, at 16:39:32
> 24 year old male with history of severe ADD-PI and dysthymia. I'm in my last year of nursing school.
>
> Adderall used to improve every aspect of my life, including mood, ability to focus and think clearly, and lifelong brain fog.
>
> Fast forward 4 years, and now *any* stimulant medication makes me feel HORRIFIC when it wears off, which never used to happen before.
>
> I'm just so cloudy now and the meds don't work anymore and I'm afraid I'm not going to make it across the finish line of nursing school.I used to take klonopin and Zyprexa an hour or so before bed (when my Ritalin wore off) and that seemed to help. I'm not suggesting you take Zyprexa if you don't need it. Maybe switching to another long acting stim and adding a benzo to use for the "crash" would help.
Jade
Posted by Lou Pilder on May 13, 2016, at 6:52:00
In reply to Re: Why don't my meds work anymore/make me feel bad? » Axmann, posted by J Kelly on May 13, 2016, at 6:39:40
> > 24 year old male with history of severe ADD-PI and dysthymia. I'm in my last year of nursing school.
> >
> > Adderall used to improve every aspect of my life, including mood, ability to focus and think clearly, and lifelong brain fog.
> >
> > Fast forward 4 years, and now *any* stimulant medication makes me feel HORRIFIC when it wears off, which never used to happen before.
> >
> > I'm just so cloudy now and the meds don't work anymore and I'm afraid I'm not going to make it across the finish line of nursing school.
>
> I used to take klonopin and Zyprexa an hour or so before bed (when my Ritalin wore off) and that seemed to help. I'm not suggesting you take Zyprexa if you don't need it. Maybe switching to another long acting stim and adding a benzo to use for the "crash" would help.
>
> Jade
>
> Friends,
The posters here are advocating that the initiator of this topic take more drugs. They do this without stating the adverse consequences associated with the drug which could seriously mislead readers to think that the drugs advocated are safer than they really are. And worse, the poster here is in such a state as to die that he could be easily swayed that more drugs will help him when they could kill him.
And all the while the psychiatrist allows this to be seen as being supportive. And the poster here writes that maybe switching to another drug would help. Maybe it could kill him.
Lou
Posted by Phillipa on May 13, 2016, at 11:43:28
In reply to Lou's warning-maybe it could kill him » J Kelly, posted by Lou Pilder on May 13, 2016, at 6:52:00
Lou knock it off you are not a doctor aren't or weren't you a teacher in school and not medical school just the schools that kids go to for learning history. Phillipa
Posted by rjlockhart37 on May 13, 2016, at 11:56:53
In reply to Lou's warning-maybe it could kill him » J Kelly, posted by Lou Pilder on May 13, 2016, at 6:52:00
Lulu, please be considerate to other people's opinions.
Posted by Jeroen on May 13, 2016, at 12:58:35
In reply to Why don't my meds work anymore/make me feel bad?, posted by Axmann on May 12, 2016, at 16:39:32
med poopout always has a reason
Posted by SLS on May 14, 2016, at 5:58:18
In reply to Why don't my meds work anymore/make me feel bad?, posted by Axmann on May 12, 2016, at 16:39:32
> 24 year old male with history of severe ADD-PI.
I don't know what "PI" means.
A few thoughts:
1. Focalin (dexmethylphenidate) feels "smoother" than Ritalin (methylphenidate) to many people. Perhaps more importantly for you, people report that the "let-down" is more gradual. My own experience with Focalin falls in line with these observations.
2. Desipramine is an old tricyclic antidepressant (TCA) that has been used quite often for ADD / ADHD, especially in adults. Since it has a longer half-life that remains stable throughout the day, there is no let down.3. I don't see it prescribed that often, but Straterra (atomoxetine), is approved for the treatment of ADD. I saw it work wonders for someone.
* Neither desipramine nor Straterra act like stimulants pharmacologically. They inhibit the reuptake of norepinephrine without increasing its release (as does amphetamine). Neither affect dopamine directly.
- Scott
Posted by SLS on May 14, 2016, at 6:13:43
In reply to Re: Why don't my meds work anymore/make me feel bad?, posted by Hello321 on May 12, 2016, at 22:06:19
> Over time these meds can make your brain less sensitive to the neurotransmitters they originally increase. Your brain tries to maintain homeostasis, and when it sees the meds doing all the work, your brain is in an even less "healthy" state because of the med. Ive experienced it. Some peoples brains seem to bounce back after these meds screw with them. Some brains just don't.
Nice explanation. I totally agree with this.
> I think a med called Cyproheptadine worked great to help my brain recover after chronically taking adderall.
What things did you experience with Adderall that cyproheptadine was able to reverse?
> If you look at the way it works, it's not really clear why it would help at all with this. But if you read into the receptors it blocks off,particularly the 5ht2c receptor, which Cyproheptadine shuts off all activity of that receptor with its inverse Agonism. The 5ht2c receptor in your brain inhibits dopamine release. When it's blocked off, your brain is more free to release dopamine.
That is an interesting explanation. Do you think cyproheptadine would act similarly in cases of treatment-resistant depression or after exposure to multiple antidepressants? Perhaps it can be taken for a short period of time to reset important homeostatic dynamics. What were the side effects of cyproheptadine? Sedation or sleepiness?
- Scott
Posted by Larry Hoover on May 14, 2016, at 23:11:27
In reply to Lou's warning-maybe it could kill him » J Kelly, posted by Lou Pilder on May 13, 2016, at 6:52:00
Lou Pilder may be sent here by Beelzebub (various spellings), or perhaps by Lucifer himself. His frequent reference to Nazis and anti-Semitic perceptions are only designed to create sympathy. All he proves, however, is how pathetic his need for acceptance really is.
What is his quota for people killed by going off their prescribed medication. How many souls must he send to hell?
I am prevented by Dr. Bob from revealing the truth behind my questions. The demonic motive of The Pilderbeast, I can only imply.
Lar
Posted by Phillipa on May 15, 2016, at 9:37:04
In reply to Re: Lou's warning-maybe it could kill him, posted by Larry Hoover on May 14, 2016, at 23:11:27
Lar :)
Posted by Lou Pilder on May 15, 2016, at 20:55:30
In reply to Re: Lou's warning-maybe it could kill him, posted by Larry Hoover on May 14, 2016, at 23:11:27
> Lou Pilder may be sent here by Beelzebub (various spellings), or perhaps by Lucifer himself. His frequent reference to Nazis and anti-Semitic perceptions are only designed to create sympathy. All he proves, however, is how pathetic his need for acceptance really is.
>
> What is his quota for people killed by going off their prescribed medication. How many souls must he send to hell?
>
> I am prevented by Dr. Bob from revealing the truth behind my questions. The demonic motive of The Pilderbeast, I can only imply.
>
> LarFriends,
The 4 horsemen of the abomination are here to defame me and arouse anti-Semitic feelings against what I post here. This is all part of The Great Deception that Mr. Hsiung prohibits me to post here.
These 4 are allowed to be immune from the enforcement policy which allows them to pervert the mission of the forum which is for support and education. They are allowed to post lies about me with impunity that could seriously mislead readers to accept anti-Semitism as being supportive.
The false accusations against me here by Mr. Hoover is nothing new from him, but the charges themselves are new. The charge that I may be sent here by the devil, is unsubstantiated and false. I have been sent here by The Truth. This truth is a Way that can make you free from addiction and depression. This truth can give you Life, not like the life of being in a death realm, but a life of peace and joy.
And in my encounter with the Rider on a white horse, He said to me, " I am the Way, I am the Truth, I am the Life."
Lou
Posted by rjlockhart37 on May 15, 2016, at 21:35:12
In reply to Lou's response-the 4 horsemen of the abomination » Larry Hoover, posted by Lou Pilder on May 15, 2016, at 20:55:30
4 horsemen?i don't attend satanic masses, and i stay at home and read various things on the net.....you using symbolic imagery to project your opinion's of us......
this is how it is, me personally, i will read posts, i will read your posts, sometimes i will respond, but.... talk with us posters, if mr. hsuing is really under a secret underground project to stop your from telling about the jews, maybe he did, but ... why don't you understand where we come from, if there was another poster, that was exactly the replica of yourself, think on how would interact with him, it would be hard because no matter what we say here, you continue to believe the same thing, no interaction of reasoning to see other points of view......
people get in cars and drive to work everyday, there is carwrecks and people speak against drunk driving, but does that stop people, no......it's done often, but the awareness of it is good, but....what would you comfort you the most, your desire to stop violence against jews, and medications that kills people, what's your goal?
Posted by ClearSkies on May 15, 2016, at 22:17:10
In reply to Re: Lou's warning-maybe it could kill him » Larry Hoover, posted by Phillipa on May 15, 2016, at 9:37:04
> Lar :)
Ditto!
Posted by Phillipa on May 15, 2016, at 22:47:27
In reply to Lou's response-the 4 horsemen of the abomination » Larry Hoover, posted by Lou Pilder on May 15, 2016, at 20:55:30
I would like a link to the Rider on The White Horse and not told by you to google it thanks Phiillipa
Posted by Phillipa on May 15, 2016, at 22:48:45
In reply to Re: Lou's warning-maybe it could kill him » Phillipa, posted by ClearSkies on May 15, 2016, at 22:17:10
I do wish Larry was here more often Phillipa
Posted by Jeroen on May 15, 2016, at 23:46:20
In reply to Re: Why don't my meds work anymore/make me feel bad? » Axmann, posted by SLS on May 14, 2016, at 5:58:18
There has definatelly has to come med for neg symptoms that is safe and works for everyone
so people like Lou and others stop complaining, we're in the millions :S
Posted by SLS on May 15, 2016, at 23:46:21
In reply to Lou's response-the 4 horsemen of the abomination » Larry Hoover, posted by Lou Pilder on May 15, 2016, at 20:55:30
> And in my encounter with the Rider on a white horse, He said to me, " I am the Way, I am the Truth, I am the Life."
Sort of like Jesus and the exclusivity of his way to the Father?
Your conceptions of the nature of the Jewish messiah (rider on a white horse) are very similar to those to be found in Christianity.
Your inability to recognize your hypocrisy amuses me.
Stop blaming others for your being treated as an anathema and a pariah. You reap what you sow.
- Scott
Posted by J Kelly on May 16, 2016, at 0:51:35
In reply to ...the 1 horseman - the abomination » Lou Pilder, posted by SLS on May 15, 2016, at 23:46:21
"no matter what we say here, [he] continues to believe the same thing, no interaction or reasoning to see other points of view......"
rj
Why do we bother?
Jade
Posted by rjlockhart37 on May 16, 2016, at 20:22:09
In reply to Re: Lou's response-the 4 horsemen of the abomination, posted by rjlockhart37 on May 15, 2016, at 21:35:12
I've kinda noticed alot of posters have given you negative feedback, but really Lou, what would make you happy, is there any way that us here on babble can maybe understand where your coming from......Lou what would you do if all your requests where granted, what do you like to talk about on free time (excluding main topics)
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