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Dr. Bob is Robert Hsiung, MD,
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Posted by Tabitha on March 9, 2016, at 16:41:43
In reply to Re: history of posts, posted by SLS on March 8, 2016, at 13:46:11
I don't know. That study was about people who self-identify as trolls, answering yes to questions like "I like to troll people in forums or the comments section of websites." https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/your-online-secrets/201409/are-you-internet-troll
Does Lou see himself as a troll? We don't know. Thus I wouldn't be too hasty to assume those study results apply.
I'm inclined to think we have a person who is convinced that (1) psychiatric medications are killers, (2) disagreeing with or being critical of a Jewish person leads to anti-Semitic violence, and (3) some kind of apocalyptic event will come that will bring justice. Add to that extreme black and white thinking and over-generalization, and we have the posting style of Lou. How anyone could stay fixated on these topics and post over and over about them, I can't understand. I have wondered if there is a brain injury involved. (I have even wondered if the posts might be generated by a computer program!)
This could be someone who enjoys upsetting people, but it's also possible he's mainly a crusader for his missions, and the upset is collateral damage. I have noticed that people crusading for hot-button topics like religious salvation or anti-abortion feel compelled to press on, regardless of whether they're annoying people. They don't mind telling others that they are damned or murderers or whatever. For the examples I've known personally, they were not sadistic before the belief system got hold of them.
Crusader syndrome could also explain the focus on new posters. Naturally he wants to get to them, because there's still a chance he can convert them. Us existing folks have already rejected his appeals. I would like to think that new posters can recognize the rambling writing style, repetition of topics, and exaggerated language, and realize this is not a reliable source of information. We can welcome them and support them, and that will help offset the irritation of the posts.
It probably sounds like I am supporting Lou. I am mostly supporting myself. I find it much more peaceful to assume someone has a malfunctioning brain than that they are an intentional sadist. Either way, I actually do feel sorry for him :-(
Posted by SLS on March 9, 2016, at 19:52:13
In reply to Re: history of posts, posted by Tabitha on March 9, 2016, at 16:41:43
> Crusader syndrome could also explain...
I've never heard of crusader syndrome. I kind of like it.
- Scott
Posted by Tabitha on March 10, 2016, at 1:39:18
In reply to Re: history of posts » Tabitha, posted by SLS on March 9, 2016, at 19:52:13
> > Crusader syndrome could also explain...
>
> I've never heard of crusader syndrome. I kind of like it.
>
>
> - ScottMe neither, I just made it up. :-)
Posted by Lou Pilder on March 20, 2016, at 20:14:36
In reply to Re: history of posts » SLS, posted by Tabitha on March 10, 2016, at 1:39:18
> > > Crusader syndrome could also explain...
> >
> > I've never heard of crusader syndrome. I kind of like it.
> >
> >
> > - Scott
>
> Me neither, I just made it up. :-)
>
Tabitha,
You wrote,[...crusader syndrome...just made it p...].
There are people that turn their backs when they see injustice and suffering. And there are people that are shaken when they see such and want to stop the injustice and suffering. It has been revealed to me what the difference in the two types of people are.
And here, I see the great injustice perpetrated here on the guise of that the injustice will be good in Mr. Hsiung's thinking for Mr. Hsiung's community as a whole. But does his actions toward that goal of his justify the deaths of readers here or the allowing of anti-Semitic propaganda to be seen as being supportive? I see by what I post here to have the potential to offset the injustice here and to offset the continual misleading of readers to their deaths or life-ruining conditions by reading here the promotion of these drugs without following the FDA rules which could seriously mislead readers to think that these drugs are safer than they really are. I do not see trying to stop Mr. Hsiung and his mob of posters that deride me here to be trolling this site, but to give readers the option of following the pack or turning aside to them that openly defame me here. For there could be readers that act on what I post and not go along with the hate being perpetrated here as support. They may have the light of reason with them and see that there is no rational basis for members to be allowed to defame me here. They may see that calling me a troll is just a transparent reason to justify hate where no justification is deserved. They could see that those taking these drugs promoted by the leader of the pack are in the midst of hell and wanting to kill themselves and the drugs promoted increase suicidal thoughts and could suffer a horrible death by them. Their blood will not be upon me.
Lou
Posted by Tabitha on March 21, 2016, at 15:09:14
In reply to Lou's response-crusade for life » Tabitha, posted by Lou Pilder on March 20, 2016, at 20:14:36
> They may see that calling me a troll is just a transparent reason to justify hate where no justification is deserved.
Well, Lou, I try not to refer to you as a troll, but I think I can understand why that label has been applied to you. People are trying to figure out how best to engage with you. Many have come to the conclusion that it's best to ignore you. The various articles about internet trolls come to the same conclusion-- that the posting is best ignored. Thus it becomes a shortcut to point to that phenomena instead of trying to explain a long history of posts.
I understand the recommendation to not engage with you. When I try to engage with you, I find it frustrating because it never results in the back-and-forth nature of communication that I expect in a conversation. For instance, I ask you where you get the idea that psych meds are dangerous killers, you point me to a website that doesn't have the standards of evidence that I trust in medical information, I point that out to you, then you apparently ignore what I posted and repeat your claims. I never feel as if I have been heard.
I also feel frustrated that there's no personal disclosure or what I normally see as support in your posts. You post repeatedly that psych meds are dangerous killers. There is a lack of personal input. I think people would be much more open to talking with you if you told us a bit more about your history, what's happening with your life, how you're feeling, etc. Just normal human stuff.
> They could see that those taking these drugs promoted by the leader of the pack are in the midst of hell and wanting to kill themselves and the drugs promoted increase suicidal thoughts and could suffer a horrible death by them.
I have found the exact opposite to be true. Several times in my life I have had suicidal thoughts that were stopped by psychiatric meds. Because of those experiences, having some faith in the system of FDA approval and clinical trials, plus having reviewed the websites you quote, I think your claims are incorrect. In fact, I worry that someone might be harmed by your posts by not getting medication that could be life-saving for them. You are concerned about death and bloodshed, but you don't seem to consider the possibility of harm from lack of medication at all. It is strange, because I think you are capable of researching the rate of positive effects of medication on suicidal ideation versus the rate of adverse events. What if 1000 people are helped while 1 person is harmed by medication? Would you still crusade about the harms of medication?
Posted by Lou Pilder on March 21, 2016, at 18:16:18
In reply to Re: crusade for accurate information » Lou Pilder, posted by Tabitha on March 21, 2016, at 15:09:14
> > They may see that calling me a troll is just a transparent reason to justify hate where no justification is deserved.
>
> Well, Lou, I try not to refer to you as a troll, but I think I can understand why that label has been applied to you. People are trying to figure out how best to engage with you. Many have come to the conclusion that it's best to ignore you. The various articles about internet trolls come to the same conclusion-- that the posting is best ignored. Thus it becomes a shortcut to point to that phenomena instead of trying to explain a long history of posts.
>
> I understand the recommendation to not engage with you. When I try to engage with you, I find it frustrating because it never results in the back-and-forth nature of communication that I expect in a conversation. For instance, I ask you where you get the idea that psych meds are dangerous killers, you point me to a website that doesn't have the standards of evidence that I trust in medical information, I point that out to you, then you apparently ignore what I posted and repeat your claims. I never feel as if I have been heard.
>
> I also feel frustrated that there's no personal disclosure or what I normally see as support in your posts. You post repeatedly that psych meds are dangerous killers. There is a lack of personal input. I think people would be much more open to talking with you if you told us a bit more about your history, what's happening with your life, how you're feeling, etc. Just normal human stuff.
>
> > They could see that those taking these drugs promoted by the leader of the pack are in the midst of hell and wanting to kill themselves and the drugs promoted increase suicidal thoughts and could suffer a horrible death by them.
>
> I have found the exact opposite to be true. Several times in my life I have had suicidal thoughts that were stopped by psychiatric meds. Because of those experiences, having some faith in the system of FDA approval and clinical trials, plus having reviewed the websites you quote, I think your claims are incorrect. In fact, I worry that someone might be harmed by your posts by not getting medication that could be life-saving for them. You are concerned about death and bloodshed, but you don't seem to consider the possibility of harm from lack of medication at all. It is strange, because I think you are capable of researching the rate of positive effects of medication on suicidal ideation versus the rate of adverse events. What if 1000 people are helped while 1 person is harmed by medication? Would you still crusade about the harms of medication?
>
You wrote about the harm that could be possible if one in a psychiatric crisis is not given psychotropic drugs.
Be not deceived. There is no anti-suicide drug, for the army is trying to make one. They give troops in a psychiatric crisis Seroquel an other drugs promoted here and there are many suicides after the drugs are given.
Children given these drugs by their parents in collaboration with a psychiatrist kill themselves and others along with them. Mothers kill their children after taking these drugs. Children kill their parents after taking these drugs.
You see, I know what these drugs do to the mind, but I am prevented from posting here about that due to the prohibitions posted to me here by Mr. Hsiung. And if you knew, you could have a whole new perspective that is kept from you here by Mr. Hsiung.
This new way of living could open your mind to be freed from the slavery of addictive drugs and depression and the shortened life-span that these drugs can cause. That choice is denied here to readers by Mr. Hsiung censoring me here. As long as I am not allowed to be heard, you could be swayed by what is allowed here, which includes anti-Semitic propaganda to be seen as supportive.
Many here have been killed by the drugs being promoted here. I believe that they could still be alive if I was allowed to speak here.
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on March 21, 2016, at 19:19:55
In reply to Lou's response-no anti suicide drug » Tabitha, posted by Lou Pilder on March 21, 2016, at 18:16:18
> > > They may see that calling me a troll is just a transparent reason to justify hate where no justification is deserved.
> >
> > Well, Lou, I try not to refer to you as a troll, but I think I can understand why that label has been applied to you. People are trying to figure out how best to engage with you. Many have come to the conclusion that it's best to ignore you. The various articles about internet trolls come to the same conclusion-- that the posting is best ignored. Thus it becomes a shortcut to point to that phenomena instead of trying to explain a long history of posts.
> >
> > I understand the recommendation to not engage with you. When I try to engage with you, I find it frustrating because it never results in the back-and-forth nature of communication that I expect in a conversation. For instance, I ask you where you get the idea that psych meds are dangerous killers, you point me to a website that doesn't have the standards of evidence that I trust in medical information, I point that out to you, then you apparently ignore what I posted and repeat your claims. I never feel as if I have been heard.
> >
> > I also feel frustrated that there's no personal disclosure or what I normally see as support in your posts. You post repeatedly that psych meds are dangerous killers. There is a lack of personal input. I think people would be much more open to talking with you if you told us a bit more about your history, what's happening with your life, how you're feeling, etc. Just normal human stuff.
> >
> > > They could see that those taking these drugs promoted by the leader of the pack are in the midst of hell and wanting to kill themselves and the drugs promoted increase suicidal thoughts and could suffer a horrible death by them.
> >
> > I have found the exact opposite to be true. Several times in my life I have had suicidal thoughts that were stopped by psychiatric meds. Because of those experiences, having some faith in the system of FDA approval and clinical trials, plus having reviewed the websites you quote, I think your claims are incorrect. In fact, I worry that someone might be harmed by your posts by not getting medication that could be life-saving for them. You are concerned about death and bloodshed, but you don't seem to consider the possibility of harm from lack of medication at all. It is strange, because I think you are capable of researching the rate of positive effects of medication on suicidal ideation versus the rate of adverse events. What if 1000 people are helped while 1 person is harmed by medication? Would you still crusade about the harms of medication?
> >
> You wrote about the harm that could be possible if one in a psychiatric crisis is not given psychotropic drugs.
> Be not deceived. There is no anti-suicide drug, for the army is trying to make one. They give troops in a psychiatric crisis Seroquel an other drugs promoted here and there are many suicides after the drugs are given.
> Children given these drugs by their parents in collaboration with a psychiatrist kill themselves and others along with them. Mothers kill their children after taking these drugs. Children kill their parents after taking these drugs.
> You see, I know what these drugs do to the mind, but I am prevented from posting here about that due to the prohibitions posted to me here by Mr. Hsiung. And if you knew, you could have a whole new perspective that is kept from you here by Mr. Hsiung.
> This new way of living could open your mind to be freed from the slavery of addictive drugs and depression and the shortened life-span that these drugs can cause. That choice is denied here to readers by Mr. Hsiung censoring me here. As long as I am not allowed to be heard, you could be swayed by what is allowed here, which includes anti-Semitic propaganda to be seen as supportive.
> Many here have been killed by the drugs being promoted here. I believe that they could still be alive if I was allowed to speak here.
> Lou
>
Friends,
Be not deceived. Mr. Hsiung is allowing these posts of hate here against me with impunity from his enforcement rules. This could seriously mislead you to your death.
The drugs being promoted here could cause death by many ways and thousands are killed each month. Many by the combinations of these concoctions of death being allowed to be promoted here without the adverse consequences that could befall the taker and you could think that these drugs are safer than they really are.
You could be misled to think that you could make it to the emergency ward before you die. But there is sudden death from these drugs by heart stopping. You will not have time, you will be killed by the drugs.
Here is a video.
Lou
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKj74MPGUcs
Posted by Tabitha on March 22, 2016, at 0:16:52
In reply to Lou's response-you will not have time and die, posted by Lou Pilder on March 21, 2016, at 19:19:55
> > You see, I know what these drugs do to the mind, but I am prevented from posting here about that due to the prohibitions posted to me here by Mr. Hsiung. And if you knew, you could have a whole new perspective that is kept from you here by Mr. Hsiung.I'd like to hear what you know about what these drugs do to the mind. Dr Bob isn't prohibiting anything any more.
> Here is a video.
> Lou
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKj74MPGUcs
>A-ha, now I understand where some of your ideas come from. Did you know that film was produced by Scientology?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_Commission_on_Human_Rights
Posted by Lou Pilder on March 22, 2016, at 7:34:52
In reply to Re: scientology, prohibitions » Lou Pilder, posted by Tabitha on March 22, 2016, at 0:16:52
>
> > > You see, I know what these drugs do to the mind, but I am prevented from posting here about that due to the prohibitions posted to me here by Mr. Hsiung. And if you knew, you could have a whole new perspective that is kept from you here by Mr. Hsiung.
>
> I'd like to hear what you know about what these drugs do to the mind. Dr Bob isn't prohibiting anything any more.
>
>
> > Here is a video.
> > Lou
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKj74MPGUcs
> >
>
> A-ha, now I understand where some of your ideas come from. Did you know that film was produced by Scientology?
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_Commission_on_Human_Rights
>
Tabitha,
The video was produced by the group but I am not a member of them. The doctor in the video knows that by combining those drugs, the effects are increased exponentially that killed the soldiers. This is what is allowed here to be promoted.
What Mr. Hsiung prohibits me from posting comes from a Jewish perspective as revealed to me. His policy is against the Jew which is the generally accepted meaning of what constitutes anti-Semitism which could lead readers to think that this is an anti-Semitic site. His absence here does not mean that he is allowing me to be immune from his enforcement policy, for those being allowed by him to defame me here could be a tactic to inflict emotional harm against me to suffer by him orchestrating the hate. Those that take advantage of him allowing the hate and throw their stones at me here could have those stones thrown back at them by someone greater than me. The tragedy here is that the population here is easily persuaded to go along with anti-Semitic hate and he could know that to cause harm to the Jews world-wide by him allowing the hate to be seen as being supportive. This is nothing new and I see right through it. I feel so sorry for those here that post this hate here.
Lou
Posted by Tabitha on March 22, 2016, at 12:52:33
In reply to Lou's response- » Tabitha, posted by Lou Pilder on March 22, 2016, at 7:34:52
> Tabitha,
> The video was produced by the group but I am not a member of them.I'm glad for that. Scientology is a scary group!
> The doctor in the video knows that by combining those drugs, the effects are increased exponentially that killed the soldiers.I don't know. He waved a bunch of papers around that supposedly had a list of soldiers that had died from psychiatric medication. That would be big news if it happened, but every source I could find about it was from that same group CCHR of Scientology. Since Scientology is known to promote an aggressive anti-psychiatry agenda, and is known to lie to further their aims, then without corroborating reports I have to conclude that the story is not believable. I did learn, however, that the US Military did some LSD experiments on soldiers in the 1950's. I don't think that would happen today because of improvements in ethical standards for medical experiments.
> What Mr. Hsiung prohibits me from posting comes from a Jewish perspective as revealed to me.If it would make you feel better to share it, why not go ahead? If Bob was enforcing the rules you might already be blocked for over-generalization and exaggeration, and lots of people might be blocked for statements that could lead someone to feel put down. But overall we all seem to be OK despite the lack of enforcement.
> The tragedy here is that the population here is easily persuaded to go along with anti-Semitic hate
That would be tragic if it were true, but I don't see anyone becoming anti-Semitic because of anything here. Maybe you could give us some credit for being able to disagree with an individual who happens to be Jewish without developing hate for all Jewish people?
Posted by Lou Pilder on March 22, 2016, at 19:35:49
In reply to Re: perspective » Lou Pilder, posted by Tabitha on March 22, 2016, at 12:52:33
>
> > Tabitha,
> > The video was produced by the group but I am not a member of them.
>
> I'm glad for that. Scientology is a scary group!
>
>
> > The doctor in the video knows that by combining those drugs, the effects are increased exponentially that killed the soldiers.
>
> I don't know. He waved a bunch of papers around that supposedly had a list of soldiers that had died from psychiatric medication. That would be big news if it happened, but every source I could find about it was from that same group CCHR of Scientology. Since Scientology is known to promote an aggressive anti-psychiatry agenda, and is known to lie to further their aims, then without corroborating reports I have to conclude that the story is not believable. I did learn, however, that the US Military did some LSD experiments on soldiers in the 1950's. I don't think that would happen today because of improvements in ethical standards for medical experiments.
>
>
> > What Mr. Hsiung prohibits me from posting comes from a Jewish perspective as revealed to me.
>
> If it would make you feel better to share it, why not go ahead? If Bob was enforcing the rules you might already be blocked for over-generalization and exaggeration, and lots of people might be blocked for statements that could lead someone to feel put down. But overall we all seem to be OK despite the lack of enforcement.
>
> > The tragedy here is that the population here is easily persuaded to go along with anti-Semitic hate
>
> That would be tragic if it were true, but I don't see anyone becoming anti-Semitic because of anything here. Maybe you could give us some credit for being able to disagree with an individual who happens to be Jewish without developing hate for all Jewish people?
>
> Friends,
be not deceived. The poster says that it would be big news. And the poster can only find one source. But this is news that has been in the public domain for a long time and not only privy to the CCHR.
Here is a link:
Lou
http://ahrp.org/military-deaths-linked-to-prescribed-psych-drugs
Posted by Lou Pilder on March 22, 2016, at 20:41:59
In reply to Lou's reply- » Tabitha, posted by Lou Pilder on March 22, 2016, at 19:35:49
> >
> > > Tabitha,
> > > The video was produced by the group but I am not a member of them.
> >
> > I'm glad for that. Scientology is a scary group!
> >
> >
> > > The doctor in the video knows that by combining those drugs, the effects are increased exponentially that killed the soldiers.
> >
> > I don't know. He waved a bunch of papers around that supposedly had a list of soldiers that had died from psychiatric medication. That would be big news if it happened, but every source I could find about it was from that same group CCHR of Scientology. Since Scientology is known to promote an aggressive anti-psychiatry agenda, and is known to lie to further their aims, then without corroborating reports I have to conclude that the story is not believable. I did learn, however, that the US Military did some LSD experiments on soldiers in the 1950's. I don't think that would happen today because of improvements in ethical standards for medical experiments.
> >
> >
> > > What Mr. Hsiung prohibits me from posting comes from a Jewish perspective as revealed to me.
> >
> > If it would make you feel better to share it, why not go ahead? If Bob was enforcing the rules you might already be blocked for over-generalization and exaggeration, and lots of people might be blocked for statements that could lead someone to feel put down. But overall we all seem to be OK despite the lack of enforcement.
> >
> > > The tragedy here is that the population here is easily persuaded to go along with anti-Semitic hate
> >
> > That would be tragic if it were true, but I don't see anyone becoming anti-Semitic because of anything here. Maybe you could give us some credit for being able to disagree with an individual who happens to be Jewish without developing hate for all Jewish people?
> >
> > Friends,
> be not deceived. The poster says that it would be big news. And the poster can only find one source. But this is news that has been in the public domain for a long time and not only privy to the CCHR.
> Here is a link:
> Lou
> http://ahrp.org/military-deaths-linked-to-prescribed-psych-drugs
>
> Tabitha,
You wrote,[...you might be blocked for overgeneralizing...].
I am unsure as to what you are using to post such here. If you could post answers to the following, then I could respond accordingly. True or False:
A. I know of a post, Lou, that you wrote that is overgeneralizing.
B. I will post the link here:
C. I do not know of a post by you, Lou, that constitutes overgeneralizing.
D. I just said that, Lou, because Scott has accused you of that.
E. I just said that, Lou, so readers could have hostile and disagreeable opinions and feelings toward you.
F. I just said that, Lou, so that it could decrease the respect, regard and confidence in which you are held
G. I am beginning to see now, Lou, how anti-Semitism is being created and developed here by Mr. Hsiung and those that he allows to defame you here.
Posted by Tabitha on March 23, 2016, at 5:00:42
In reply to Lou's reply- » Tabitha, posted by Lou Pilder on March 22, 2016, at 19:35:49
> The poster says that it would be big news. And the poster can only find one source. But this is news that has been in the public domain for a long time and not only privy to the CCHR.
> Here is a link:
> Lou
> http://ahrp.org/military-deaths-linked-to-prescribed-psych-drugs
>
>Yes, I do think that if the military was experimenting on soldiers with psych meds, and hundreds of deaths were caused by it, that we would see some reporting in the major publications like new york times, L.A. times, washington post, and the like, in addition to an obscure website run by Scientology. It would be a big, explosive story, appealing to journalists. Someone might even win a pulitzer prize for the reporting! Thus the fact that this shocking story is *not* reported in a major publication gives another big clue that it is a false report, on top of the fact that Scientology is promoting the story. As is, it's just not convincing at all.
Posted by Tabitha on March 23, 2016, at 5:15:06
In reply to Lou's reply to Tabitha-create and develop, posted by Lou Pilder on March 22, 2016, at 20:41:59
> You wrote,[...you might be blocked for overgeneralizing...].
> I am unsure as to what you are using to post such here. If you could post answers to the following, then I could respond accordingly. True or False:
> A. I know of a post, Lou, that you wrote that is overgeneralizing.
> B. I will post the link here:I don't have the specific link, but I was thinking of an exchange where I thought you had taken the fact that some psych meds are suspected of increasing suicidal thoughts in some age groups, and extended that to mean that all psych meds cause suicide. To me that seemed like overgeneralizing.
> C. I do not know of a post by you, Lou, that constitutes overgeneralizing.
> D. I just said that, Lou, because Scott has accused you of that.Did he? I'm not even sure I noticed that.
> E. I just said that, Lou, so readers could have hostile and disagreeable opinions and feelings toward you.
> F. I just said that, Lou, so that it could decrease the respect, regard and confidence in which you are heldMy purpose was to point out that your posts had already (perhaps) crossed the line of the old rules, and you hadn't been sanctioned in any way, thus it probably isn't necessary to avoid posting your information that you think will help people. We have heard a lot about how you think medication harms people, so I thought it would be good to hear the whole story. I can see however, that my post led you to feel put down, and I am sorry for that.
> G. I am beginning to see now, Lou, how anti-Semitism is being created and developed here by Mr. Hsiung and those that he allows to defame you here.
>No, I don't see that at all. I still see that Babblers can disagree with a person who happens to be Jewish without it creating defamation of Jewish people in general.
Posted by Lou Pilder on March 23, 2016, at 7:57:04
In reply to Re: miltiary experiments?, posted by Tabitha on March 23, 2016, at 5:00:42
> > The poster says that it would be big news. And the poster can only find one source. But this is news that has been in the public domain for a long time and not only privy to the CCHR.
> > Here is a link:
> > Lou
> > http://ahrp.org/military-deaths-linked-to-prescribed-psych-drugs
> >
> >
>
> Yes, I do think that if the military was experimenting on soldiers with psych meds, and hundreds of deaths were caused by it, that we would see some reporting in the major publications like new york times, L.A. times, washington post, and the like, in addition to an obscure website run by Scientology. It would be a big, explosive story, appealing to journalists. Someone might even win a pulitzer prize for the reporting! Thus the fact that this shocking story is *not* reported in a major publication gives another big clue that it is a false report, on top of the fact that Scientology is promoting the story. As is, it's just not convincing at all.
>
Tabitha,
You wrote,
[...this shocking story is NOT reported in the NY Times...],[...it is a false report...], [...on top of that Scientology is reporting the story...], [...it is not convincing at all...].
I am unsure as to what your rationale for posting such here is. If you could post answers to the following, then I could respond accordingly. Here is the story reported in the NY Times and the administering of psychiatric drugs was done as a psychiatrist would do and was not experimenting on the soldiers.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/13drugs.html?_r=0
True or False:
A.I deliberately misrepresented here, Lou, so that others could be misled about you and decrease the respect regard and confidence in which you are held
B. I made a mistake, Lou, and there was the article written by the ny times.
C. Scientology was reporting the truth, Lou, but I want to slander that group so readers will ignore the truth
D. I want to contribute to the debasement and degrading of you, Lou, here by also posting what could induce hostile and disagreeable opinions and feelings toward you.
E. I realize, Lou, that anti-Semitic propaganda is being allowed to be seen here as being supportive by Mr. Hsiung, so by me posting what could defame you here, I would be helping Mr. Hsiung develop anti-Semitism further here.
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on March 23, 2016, at 8:03:59
In reply to Re: miltiary experiments? » Tabitha, posted by Lou Pilder on March 23, 2016, at 7:57:04
> > > The poster says that it would be big news. And the poster can only find one source. But this is news that has been in the public domain for a long time and not only privy to the CCHR.
> > > Here is a link:
> > > Lou
> > > http://ahrp.org/military-deaths-linked-to-prescribed-psych-drugs
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Yes, I do think that if the military was experimenting on soldiers with psych meds, and hundreds of deaths were caused by it, that we would see some reporting in the major publications like new york times, L.A. times, washington post, and the like, in addition to an obscure website run by Scientology. It would be a big, explosive story, appealing to journalists. Someone might even win a pulitzer prize for the reporting! Thus the fact that this shocking story is *not* reported in a major publication gives another big clue that it is a false report, on top of the fact that Scientology is promoting the story. As is, it's just not convincing at all.
> >
> Tabitha,
> You wrote,
> [...this shocking story is NOT reported in the NY Times...],[...it is a false report...], [...on top of that Scientology is reporting the story...], [...it is not convincing at all...].
> I am unsure as to what your rationale for posting such here is. If you could post answers to the following, then I could respond accordingly. Here is the story reported in the NY Times and the administering of psychiatric drugs was done as a psychiatrist would do and was not experimenting on the soldiers.
> http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/13drugs.html?_r=0
> True or False:
> A.I deliberately misrepresented here, Lou, so that others could be misled about you and decrease the respect regard and confidence in which you are held
> B. I made a mistake, Lou, and there was the article written by the ny times.
> C. Scientology was reporting the truth, Lou, but I want to slander that group so readers will ignore the truth
> D. I want to contribute to the debasement and degrading of you, Lou, here by also posting what could induce hostile and disagreeable opinions and feelings toward you.
> E. I realize, Lou, that anti-Semitic propaganda is being allowed to be seen here as being supportive by Mr. Hsiung, so by me posting what could defame you here, I would be helping Mr. Hsiung develop anti-Semitism further here.
> Lou
>
> correction to link
Lou
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/13drugs.html?_r=0
Posted by Lou Pilder on March 23, 2016, at 9:12:55
In reply to Re: a series of answers » Lou Pilder, posted by Tabitha on March 23, 2016, at 5:15:06
> > You wrote,[...you might be blocked for overgeneralizing...].
> > I am unsure as to what you are using to post such here. If you could post answers to the following, then I could respond accordingly. True or False:
> > A. I know of a post, Lou, that you wrote that is overgeneralizing.
> > B. I will post the link here:
>
> I don't have the specific link, but I was thinking of an exchange where I thought you had taken the fact that some psych meds are suspected of increasing suicidal thoughts in some age groups, and extended that to mean that all psych meds cause suicide. To me that seemed like overgeneralizing.
>
>
>
>
> > C. I do not know of a post by you, Lou, that constitutes overgeneralizing.
> > D. I just said that, Lou, because Scott has accused you of that.
>
> Did he? I'm not even sure I noticed that.
>
> > E. I just said that, Lou, so readers could have hostile and disagreeable opinions and feelings toward you.
> > F. I just said that, Lou, so that it could decrease the respect, regard and confidence in which you are held
>
> My purpose was to point out that your posts had already (perhaps) crossed the line of the old rules, and you hadn't been sanctioned in any way, thus it probably isn't necessary to avoid posting your information that you think will help people. We have heard a lot about how you think medication harms people, so I thought it would be good to hear the whole story. I can see however, that my post led you to feel put down, and I am sorry for that.
>
> > G. I am beginning to see now, Lou, how anti-Semitism is being created and developed here by Mr. Hsiung and those that he allows to defame you here.
> >
>
> No, I don't see that at all. I still see that Babblers can disagree with a person who happens to be Jewish without it creating defamation of Jewish people in general.
>
Tabitha,
The creating of defamation toward Jewish people can be accomplished by using the historical tactics against the one Jew in a community. These tactics create and develop anti-Semitic feelings so that the community members are led by the leaders to think of Jews as inferior people, dehumanizing them by denying them the equal protection of the laws or rules as here. This is just one way in a compilation of debasing tactics to lead community members to hate Jews. This hatred manifests itself here as in the many posts that defame me and Jews all allowed by Mr. Hsiung to be seen that he thinks by him allowing it that it will be good for his community as a whole, and good for him. That could seriously mislead readers to their deaths. The concept of European fascism as being for {the common good} reeks here in the hatred posted against me being allowed to fester and infect the minds of innocent children to read this hatred as being civil by Mr. Hsiung as being what he thinks will be good for community as a whole as his justification for allowing the anti-Semitic hate here to stand.
Here is a document expelling the Jews from Spain in 1492 and look at the 2end paragraph showing the reasons for expelling the Jews. It is because they mentioned Judaism. It is because they comingled with non-Jews that in this case were of the Christendom sect. And the Jews were shunned and ghettoized as being advocated here by Scott all being supported by Mr. Hsiung and the other members of the mob of hate here all being nurtured by Mr. Hsiung and his deputies of record to be immune from his enforcement policy while I am being prohibited to post the foundation of Judaism here as revealed to me. This prohibition to me by Mr. Hsiung is also in the historical record by those wanting to ghettoize the Jews and have them shunned as being advocated here by Scott with Mr. Hsiung's allowing of it. This turns my stomach.
Lou
http://www.sephardicstudies.org/decree.html
Posted by Lou Pilder on March 23, 2016, at 11:16:33
In reply to Re: Sociopath Lou » SLS, posted by Larry Hoover on March 6, 2016, at 21:44:44
> > > Lou, you had a psychotic break. You are seriously mentally ill, and have no insight whatsoever into your true condition.
> >
> > Yes. This is unfortunate - but accurate.
> >
> > http://www.dr-bob.org/cgi-bin/pb/mget.pl?post=/babble/20000128/msgs/20828.html
> >
> >
> > - Scott
>
> Actually, Scott, I was referring to something he posted about a vision that included flying white horses, or something like that? I really don't remember the specifics, but it also had some sort of a connotation that the vision itself had a divine origin.
>
> Ya, now he's a divine sociopath, or some such. Ya, I believe you, Lou.
>
> Not.
>
> Lar
>
> Mr. Hoover,
Your slander here against me is allowed by Mr. Hsiung and he deprives me of the use of his notification policy which degrades me as an inferior person treated as unequal here.
I am not a sociopath as you claim and that is a false accusation that could decrease the respect and regard and confidence in which I am held and induce hostile and disagreeable opinions and feelings against me. The tragedy here is that children reading here could be killed by ignoring what I post and be led to their deaths by the drugs being allowed to be promoted here without the harmful effects being posted which could lead readers to think that the drugs are safer than they really are.
The Rider on the white horse is a spirit. This spirit was there in the beginning and was God. This spirit is here now calling all to come to him.
And this Jesus of Nazareth, who was a Jewish dude, came to tell of this same spirit that allowed one to cross over The Great Gulf and be led to a new kingdom free from addiction and depression and death. For He first said, "Repent, for the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand." Was He a sociopath?
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on March 23, 2016, at 12:13:27
In reply to Lou's reply- » Tabitha, posted by Lou Pilder on March 23, 2016, at 9:12:55
> > > You wrote,[...you might be blocked for overgeneralizing...].
> > > I am unsure as to what you are using to post such here. If you could post answers to the following, then I could respond accordingly. True or False:
> > > A. I know of a post, Lou, that you wrote that is overgeneralizing.
> > > B. I will post the link here:
> >
> > I don't have the specific link, but I was thinking of an exchange where I thought you had taken the fact that some psych meds are suspected of increasing suicidal thoughts in some age groups, and extended that to mean that all psych meds cause suicide. To me that seemed like overgeneralizing.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > C. I do not know of a post by you, Lou, that constitutes overgeneralizing.
> > > D. I just said that, Lou, because Scott has accused you of that.
> >
> > Did he? I'm not even sure I noticed that.
> >
> > > E. I just said that, Lou, so readers could have hostile and disagreeable opinions and feelings toward you.
> > > F. I just said that, Lou, so that it could decrease the respect, regard and confidence in which you are held
> >
> > My purpose was to point out that your posts had already (perhaps) crossed the line of the old rules, and you hadn't been sanctioned in any way, thus it probably isn't necessary to avoid posting your information that you think will help people. We have heard a lot about how you think medication harms people, so I thought it would be good to hear the whole story. I can see however, that my post led you to feel put down, and I am sorry for that.
> >
> > > G. I am beginning to see now, Lou, how anti-Semitism is being created and developed here by Mr. Hsiung and those that he allows to defame you here.
> > >
> >
> > No, I don't see that at all. I still see that Babblers can disagree with a person who happens to be Jewish without it creating defamation of Jewish people in general.
> >
> Tabitha,
> The creating of defamation toward Jewish people can be accomplished by using the historical tactics against the one Jew in a community. These tactics create and develop anti-Semitic feelings so that the community members are led by the leaders to think of Jews as inferior people, dehumanizing them by denying them the equal protection of the laws or rules as here. This is just one way in a compilation of debasing tactics to lead community members to hate Jews. This hatred manifests itself here as in the many posts that defame me and Jews all allowed by Mr. Hsiung to be seen that he thinks by him allowing it that it will be good for his community as a whole, and good for him. That could seriously mislead readers to their deaths. The concept of European fascism as being for {the common good} reeks here in the hatred posted against me being allowed to fester and infect the minds of innocent children to read this hatred as being civil by Mr. Hsiung as being what he thinks will be good for community as a whole as his justification for allowing the anti-Semitic hate here to stand.
> Here is a document expelling the Jews from Spain in 1492 and look at the 2end paragraph showing the reasons for expelling the Jews. It is because they mentioned Judaism. It is because they comingled with non-Jews that in this case were of the Christendom sect. And the Jews were shunned and ghettoized as being advocated here by Scott all being supported by Mr. Hsiung and the other members of the mob of hate here all being nurtured by Mr. Hsiung and his deputies of record to be immune from his enforcement policy while I am being prohibited to post the foundation of Judaism here as revealed to me. This prohibition to me by Mr. Hsiung is also in the historical record by those wanting to ghettoize the Jews and have them shunned as being advocated here by Scott with Mr. Hsiung's allowing of it. This turns my stomach.
> Lou
> http://www.sephardicstudies.org/decree.html
>
Tabitha,
If you will not post this supposed link that you say that you thought constituted me overgeneralizing, then which do you think would be appropriate here?
A. I will post, Lou, that I jumped to a conclusion about what you posted
B. I will post, Lou, that I defamed you here
C. I will post, Lou, that I used the fallacy of quoting out of context
D. I will post, Lou, that I now am seeing how anti-Semitism is being created and developed here by Mr. Hsiung and his deputies of record and those that have impunity here to defame you.
Lou
Posted by Tabitha on March 23, 2016, at 17:00:27
In reply to correction- not experiments at all by the NY Times, posted by Lou Pilder on March 23, 2016, at 8:03:59
> > correction to link
> Lou
> http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/13drugs.html?_r=0
>
>Thank you. I have read the article. I would like to respond in detail a bit later.
Posted by Larry Hoover on March 26, 2016, at 23:44:20
In reply to Re: Sociopath Lou » SLS, posted by Larry Hoover on March 6, 2016, at 21:44:44
> > > Lou, you had a psychotic break. You are seriously mentally ill, and have no insight whatsoever into your true condition.
> >
> > Yes. This is unfortunate - but accurate.
> >
> > http://www.dr-bob.org/cgi-bin/pb/mget.pl?post=/babble/20000128/msgs/20828.html
> >
> >
> > - Scott
>
> Actually, Scott, I was referring to something he posted about a vision that included flying white horses, or something like that? I really don't remember the specifics, but it also had some sort of a connotation that the vision itself had a divine origin.
>
> Ya, now he's a divine sociopath, or some such. Ya, I believe you, Lou.
>
> Not.
>
> LarI did a quick search using the google/psychobabble option, and I found the following links without any trouble.
Lou describes some fantastic events, which apparently were sufficient to lead his parents to take him to a psych facility for assessment, but that becomes part of his narrative.
He mentions the death and reanimation of his associate Eleazar. You should note that the Aramaic/Hebrew spelling of this name becomes Lazarus in the Latinate form. Jesus reanimated Lazarus.
He mentions meeting some Holocaust survivor doctor who later is not known to have been at the facility.
I'm really not interested in the details, but I think these are salient issues to assess, if you choose to read Lou's own words.
The man had a psychotic break, and he resents being medicated. That is the root of all this BS on these boards.
Here are only a couple threads that you might review. If the man doesn't just talk to himself, he accuses others of anti-Semitism if they question any of it. And yet, his Rider on the white horse is a Nazi, in one vision. I can't figure it out, other than Lou is seriously mentally ill.
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/social/20020430/msgs/23169.html
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/social/20020523/msgs/24688.html
Lar
Posted by Lou Pilder on March 27, 2016, at 13:11:15
In reply to Re: Sociopath Lou, posted by Larry Hoover on March 26, 2016, at 23:44:20
> > > > Lou, you had a psychotic break. You are seriously mentally ill, and have no insight whatsoever into your true condition.
> > >
> > > Yes. This is unfortunate - but accurate.
> > >
> > > http://www.dr-bob.org/cgi-bin/pb/mget.pl?post=/babble/20000128/msgs/20828.html
> > >
> > >
> > > - Scott
> >
> > Actually, Scott, I was referring to something he posted about a vision that included flying white horses, or something like that? I really don't remember the specifics, but it also had some sort of a connotation that the vision itself had a divine origin.
> >
> > Ya, now he's a divine sociopath, or some such. Ya, I believe you, Lou.
> >
> > Not.
> >
> > Lar
>
> I did a quick search using the google/psychobabble option, and I found the following links without any trouble.
>
> Lou describes some fantastic events, which apparently were sufficient to lead his parents to take him to a psych facility for assessment, but that becomes part of his narrative.
>
> He mentions the death and reanimation of his associate Eleazar. You should note that the Aramaic/Hebrew spelling of this name becomes Lazarus in the Latinate form. Jesus reanimated Lazarus.
>
> He mentions meeting some Holocaust survivor doctor who later is not known to have been at the facility.
>
> I'm really not interested in the details, but I think these are salient issues to assess, if you choose to read Lou's own words.
>
> The man had a psychotic break, and he resents being medicated. That is the root of all this BS on these boards.
>
> Here are only a couple threads that you might review. If the man doesn't just talk to himself, he accuses others of anti-Semitism if they question any of it. And yet, his Rider on the white horse is a Nazi, in one vision. I can't figure it out, other than Lou is seriously mentally ill.
>
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/social/20020430/msgs/23169.html
>
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/social/20020523/msgs/24688.html
>
> LarFriends, Mr. Hoover says that he can not figure it out. Yet today, he makes the conclusions seen here about me.
You see, the Rider on the white horse is a spirit. He is The Word of God as revealed to me. This may be difficult to understand because of the prohibitions to me here by Mr. Hsiung that prevent me from showing what could be revealed to you that could allow you to figure it out. But be it as it may be, the Rider is not Christendom's Jesus. The Word was there in the beginning.
And in the beginning, God Said, "Let there be light." God said that by His Word. That light was life itself coming into the universe. This life, or light, is symbolized by the natural light from the sun. Without the natural light there could not be life to come into the world. This light of life can bring a new life to you of a new life that makes you free from addiction and depression. The Rider is life. Not the natural life that dies, but the spiritual life from above that lives.
And when I had an encounter with the Rider on the white horse, He said to me, "I am the light of the world. He that follows me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life."Lou
Posted by Tabitha on March 27, 2016, at 16:05:26
In reply to Lou's response-the Rider » Larry Hoover, posted by Lou Pilder on March 27, 2016, at 13:11:15
> And when I had an encounter with the Rider on the white horse, He said to me, "I am the light of the world. He that follows me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life."Lou
I don't know, Lou. If that happened to me I would think it was a hallucination. Actually I did once hallucinate that the creator of the universe was showing me things. Some non-medical substances were involved though ;-)
Posted by Lou Pilder on March 28, 2016, at 19:47:13
In reply to Re: the Rider » Lou Pilder, posted by Tabitha on March 27, 2016, at 16:05:26
> > And when I had an encounter with the Rider on the white horse, He said to me, "I am the light of the world. He that follows me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life."Lou
>
> I don't know, Lou. If that happened to me I would think it was a hallucination. Actually I did once hallucinate that the creator of the universe was showing me things. Some non-medical substances were involved though ;-)
>
> Tabitha,
What I have been bringing here is a spiritual revealing. The revealing is not of the senses, but of the spirit. So there is not visual or auditory manifestations of the spiritual revelation.
The revelation is something new that is here now and I have been chosen to minster to those here. This spirit puts the laws of the God that I give service and worship to into your mind and writes them in your heart so that you shall know Him.
This spirit gives one life. This life enables one to overcome all things. And when I had an encounter with the Rider, He said to me, "I have come so that you may have life and might have it more abundantly."
You see, it has been revealed to me that this life can heal those here that are in the darkness of addiction and depression. This healing comes from the light that was made in the beginning. Not the natural light, but this spiritual light that comes from above that can transform you from death to life and heal the brokenhearted.
For I have seen the Morning Star in the darkness. And when I had an encounter with the Rider, He said to me, "But you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and you shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall. And you shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this."
Lou
Posted by Tabitha on March 29, 2016, at 12:38:17
In reply to Lou's reply-the Morning Star » Tabitha, posted by Lou Pilder on March 28, 2016, at 19:47:13
> What I have been bringing here is a spiritual revealing. The revealing is not of the senses, but of the spirit. So there is not visual or auditory manifestations of the spiritual revelation.
So it's more like in your thoughts rather than something that seems real, right? My revelation was like that, too. The creator was showing me things visually. I saw this in my head, but I didn't think I was actually seeing something with my eyes. I saw a bird's-eye view of all creation. It looked like a big beautiful detailed thing, blooming all over like one of those multicolored fractal shapes. I sensed the creator was by my side, although it didn't have a form. I asked it silently why it created all this stuff. It responded wordlessly by putting a huge rush of love into my heart, the most intense feeling of love I'd ever had. It was clear to me that it was telling me it created all this stuff to express its love. It was pretty intense!
The next day I was convinced the creator had told me this special message, and I stayed convinced for a couple decades, until I became a lot more skeptical, and I no longer thought that stuff in your head that seemed convincing was necessarily true. Then I realized it was likely that I only thought I was seeing God because I was tripping, and the message of the creator's love was what my friend believed and had already talked about to me. He would say that the universe was held together by love. So those thoughts were already in my head, and were probably used as raw material when I was in an altered state, kind of like your brain uses details of your day when it creates vivid dreams.
> The revelation is something new that is here now and I have been chosen to minster to those here. This spirit puts the laws of the God that I give service and worship to into your mind and writes them in your heart so that you shall know Him.
> This spirit gives one life. This life enables one to overcome all things. And when I had an encounter with the Rider, He said to me, "I have come so that you may have life and might have it more abundantly."
> You see, it has been revealed to me that this life can heal those here that are in the darkness of addiction and depression. This healing comes from the light that was made in the beginning. Not the natural light, but this spiritual light that comes from above that can transform you from death to life and heal the brokenhearted.
> For I have seen the Morning Star in the darkness. And when I had an encounter with the Rider, He said to me, "But you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and you shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall. And you shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this."
> Lou
>So the Rider said things from the Bible? John 10:10 "I am come that they may have life, and may have it more abundantly", and Malachi 4:2 "But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall." Malachi 4:3 "And you shall tread down the lawless and wicked, for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this" How would you know the difference if this was really put into your thoughts by a divine being, versus a vision that your brain produced when you were in an altered state? You'd probably already read the Bible, right? Isn't it an amazing coincidence that the Rider used those exact words? Those are questions I would have.
Also, I wonder, if this life could heal those here that are in the darkness of addiction and depression, why wouldn't it have done that already? If you prayed for all of us, shouldn't we be healed? We'd all be posting about the Rider and how we'd given up our medications, and telling new posters about the good news. It's kind of a bummer that you're the only one with this vision, and nobody else is convinced.
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