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Posted by former poster on May 21, 2015, at 18:22:46
I've had derealisation a good part of my life and have learned to live with it. Now this is something new that seems to have started when I took Azithromycin and Norfloxacin about a year ago for a minor infection. I feel like a stranger in my own body and the world has changed. Almost forget where I am. I'm afraid to do anything or go anywhere alone for fear that I may get lost. Now I have strong distrust of all medicines.
Any comments appreciated.
Posted by Lou Pilder on May 21, 2015, at 20:39:15
In reply to Feel wierd, world seems strange. Help!, posted by former poster on May 21, 2015, at 18:22:46
> I've had derealisation a good part of my life and have learned to live with it. Now this is something new that seems to have started when I took Azithromycin and Norfloxacin about a year ago for a minor infection. I feel like a stranger in my own body and the world has changed. Almost forget where I am. I'm afraid to do anything or go anywhere alone for fear that I may get lost. Now I have strong distrust of all medicines.
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> Any comments appreciated.former poster,
You wrote,[...Any comments appreciated...].
Antibiotics can do what you describe here, without doubt. The question is for how long will the effects last and what can be done.
In my limited knowledge of neurotoxicity, I do think that the effects of the antibiotic could resolve itself. But then again, I also know that there could be something done by the antibiotic that could last a long time. That is when the antibiotic damaged something as they can pass the brain barrier and conceivably cause damage to some part of the brain to cause psychosis, but I have never come across a case like that in my readings.
The culprit could be fluoride in the chemical make-up of the antibiotic and there is where a lot of what I know about the antibiotic comes from as I have studied the fluoride compounds in the group of Prozac and its knock-offs. In your case, Norfloxacin is a compound with fluoride.
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Lou
Posted by rjlockhart37 on May 21, 2015, at 20:54:51
In reply to Feel wierd, world seems strange. Help!, posted by former poster on May 21, 2015, at 18:22:46
i've had dissociation around 10 years ago, i thought i was losing my mind, they put me on klonopin and gradually increased it, the benzos decrease the anxiety from derealization, but not all the way......
mine was maily i was taking wellbutrin at 450mg with somethings happening in my life that caused it, my whole brain to derail in thinking, like everything was an alien, and i couldnt understand reality, it was scary.....but it wanst just that, it started like a feeling of numbness and feeling detached from everything
its been a long time sice i had that dissociative phase, and i rerember it was frightning......benzos are kinda....a first line treatment of it, the one thing, even though stimulants can aggravate some disorders, in some ways it can jump start the nueros out of frozen numbness
but i know its scary, you feel wierd, like everything is not like reality, everything feels like a dream.....or detached , but your not alone.......
keep a log here on babble.....its best to know people knowing what your going through.....
r
Posted by rjlockhart37 on May 21, 2015, at 21:11:48
In reply to Feel wierd, world seems strange. Help!, posted by former poster on May 21, 2015, at 18:22:46
one thing, i do, you said the world feels like it's changed, a while back, in 09 i thoubht everything in the world was changing, i thought the flu vacinnes had mind control mechanism in them and was controlling everyone, and that everyone was out to get me, where i lived it's like when i would leave the house i see the same freaking cars behind me, following me, and in my mind i was sure that there was a watch or investigation, or something going on, and i would walk into stores and see people that would glance at me, and then follow, me, i thought the whole world goverment had been changed, people had been brain washed, and i was the only one that was noticing this, but after time, that period was both paranoia and derealizaation, i mean i thought the entire world, was changed into like a new goverment, i post posts here back in 09, thinking that actually ... dr-bob.org had been changed into this .... new order, ill have to go back and find my old posts when i posted that, everything in my view had been changed, like i was alien, detached from everything......my perceptions where off, thinking people where actually spirits that where following me, jumping into differnt bodies and seeing the same spirit in differnt people, it was crazy, that was when i had to be put on zyprexa and geodon at high doses.......
you may want to ask about ... maybe geodon, or something, maybe it can help with feeling everything has been changed.......that or benzos, but benzos all they do is relieve anxiety, they don't really change parannoia or derrealiation, maybe ask your doctor about geodon.....
but also post here, see how your doing
r
Posted by former poster on May 22, 2015, at 0:14:37
In reply to Re: Feel wierd, world seems strange. Help!, posted by rjlockhart37 on May 21, 2015, at 21:11:48
So fluoride poisoning? Should I avoid city drinking water and fluoride toothpaste? Forgot to mention my dreams have changed. I seldom if ever at all have a happy dream since the antibiotic treatment. Every time I wake up in my home I don't know where I am and this causes panic for about 10 seconds until I remember where I am. I get confused when in a store for a few seconds I forget what store I'm in or what city or country. I don't think I have symptoms of paranoia.
You were not hallucinating about the government not being the same. Fascism is at its peak. This is just a sad fact. There is a shift of power and attitudes have changed. This is all real. I trust everyone around me and I feel safe (except around Police as I was illegally detained 10 years ago and abused in jail). I'm starting to heal from that ordeal now. I know the government is corrupt and performs unconstitutional surveillance and searches. Things are way different from the way they used to be. This is just a fact. I never feel like I'm being stalked. I think I would enjoy the attention if I were.
I have low energy and chronic pain. Currently on Emsam 6mg, Clonazepam 2mg/day. I have been trying kefir, probiotics capsules etc... I can't tell if it is working.
Posted by SLS on May 22, 2015, at 8:32:22
In reply to Feel wierd, world seems strange. Help!, posted by former poster on May 21, 2015, at 18:22:46
> I've had derealisation a good part of my life and have learned to live with it. Now this is something new that seems to have started when I took Azithromycin and Norfloxacin about a year ago for a minor infection. I feel like a stranger in my own body and the world has changed. Almost forget where I am. I'm afraid to do anything or go anywhere alone for fear that I may get lost. Now I have strong distrust of all medicines.
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> Any comments appreciated.
Who knows what perturbations in your bacterial balance the antibiotics produced. Taking probiotics is certainly a logic thought. I just don't know whether or not they change the body's flora anywhere else but in the GI tract. There are actually more bacteria cells in the body than there are body cells (not an appetizing thought), many of which are important for one's health. This is a stretch, but perhaps you now have a chronic Candida albicans (yeast) infection. I am not a big believer that it can cause psychiatric symptoms, but there are many who do.Is your anxiety level elevated now compared to before? High levels of anxiety - especially when combined with anhedonia - can cause or exacerbate derealization / depersonalization.
- Scott
Posted by rjlockhart37 on May 22, 2015, at 17:02:49
In reply to Re: Feel wierd, world seems strange. Help!, posted by rjlockhart37 on May 21, 2015, at 21:11:48
yea but, what i was doing i was ultra paranonid and going through a changed perception that everything was being controlled by goverment new things, people where brain washed and where doing as this goverment thing was telling them to do, it wasnt real, it was a phase that i went through totally off perception........there are people that moniter the US, the internet, and people that suspect their doing criminal things usally by the FBI, and CIA, and ... its not quite as extreme, but i reember the terrible fear of going out and being followed, and people glancing at me with this same look......
don't let that make your paranoid, if your losing where you are, like write down yourself some personal notes, like "hey, i just went to bed, i was here" or "i was here before i left the house, this is what i did" just leave yourself personal notes of your wherabouts, little notes to remind yourself where you are, and ... whats going on, thats the only thing i can think on how to help this derealization......leave yourself notes, small letter to read when you get lost.....
thats all, keep us posted....
r
Posted by Phillipa on May 22, 2015, at 17:10:40
In reply to Feel wierd, world seems strange. Help!, posted by former poster on May 21, 2015, at 18:22:46
Seems that quite a few antibiotics can cause C-Difficile. And that in turn is very dangerous to the intestines. Take probiotics. A next door neighbor has a cousin who just got this and it's treated with yet another antibiotic. Did you look up the side effects of the two antibiotics you took?
Posted by Horse on May 23, 2015, at 1:03:20
In reply to Re: Feel wierd, world seems strange. Help!, posted by Phillipa on May 22, 2015, at 17:10:40
There was a brief exchange about kefir on the Alt board. Here's a quote:
A study done last year found that beneficial bacteria in the guts of mice had a calming influence on their brains via the vagus nerve. When a portion of their vagus nerve was removed, the bacteria no longer helped. The type of bacteria used in the study was Lactobacillus rhamnosus JB-1. Another type of bacteria, Lactobacillus salivarius, had no effect. Kefir contains different strains of bacteria than yogurt. Maybe one or more of these strains is the reason that kefir has such a bigger impact on my brain than yogurt.
To find the brief exchange, search this site for kefir.
Best of luck.
Btw, an antiviral precipitated a quick descent into suicidiality. It was damned pretty awful. I stopped after five grueling days...however, I was back to baseline in a week or so. I truly understand!
Posted by former poster on May 24, 2015, at 11:24:59
In reply to Re: Feel wierd, world seems strange. Help!, posted by Horse on May 23, 2015, at 1:03:20
Thanks to all for the great advice. I have wondered about fungus infection. I have been treating my feet for severe toenail fungus for decades.
Searching the internet for side effects of Cyprofloxacin side effects I found this:http://www.askapatient.com/viewrating.asp?drug=19537&name=CIPRO
I thought only Psyche meds were dangerous, I was wrong.
Posted by Horse on May 24, 2015, at 16:46:37
In reply to Re: Feel wierd, world seems strange. Help! » Horse, posted by former poster on May 24, 2015, at 11:24:59
Cipro looks pretty scary...I'm very sorry former poster. One thing I've been afraid of is a trigger for permanent neuropathy. In my own experience, I have always drawn a correlation between the onset of permanent neuropathy in both feet, and a straterra trial (which lasted less than a week). And the pain in my back! I told my shrink, but he thought I was nuts.
Well, that stinks, former poster. I wonder what you can do now that you know what's happened. And thank you for posting this. I will use more primitive antibiotics if ever necessary.
Btw, MAOI's have their roots in anti TB medications. You likely know that from being at babble.
Posted by phidippus on June 11, 2015, at 0:54:32
In reply to Feel wierd, world seems strange. Help!, posted by former poster on May 21, 2015, at 18:22:46
Are you in constant fear?
Eric
Posted by former poster on June 20, 2015, at 13:16:00
In reply to Re: Feel wierd, world seems strange. Help! » former poster, posted by phidippus on June 11, 2015, at 0:54:32
"Are you in constant fear?"
I'm in constant fear which sometimes subsides to general feeling of apprehension to the point where I have no appetite. Heavy physical work in construction to the point where I am ready to collapse seems to help. I'm trying about 500mg Honokiol (magnolia bark) a day. Not sure if its helping so I added 800mg Sam-e and noticed an improvement. Wish Sam-e were not so expensive.
Posted by phidippus on June 24, 2015, at 13:04:14
In reply to Re: Feel wierd, world seems strange. Help! » phidippus, posted by former poster on June 20, 2015, at 13:16:00
Have you tried an antidepressant?
Eric
Posted by former poster on June 26, 2015, at 0:48:50
In reply to Re: Feel wierd, world seems strange. Help! » former poster, posted by phidippus on June 24, 2015, at 13:04:14
I was on Emsam when this symptom started and have stopped since my Dr gave me Duloxetine and told me to wait 2 weeks before starting for the washout of Emsam. I recall I had a good response to Sam-e in the past but stopped because of its price. I started taking it again 1 week ago and felt relief the 2nd day. Taking 1,200mg a day seems to keep me from falling off the edge but just barely enjoying life. Duloxetine and Sam-e have a risk of serotonin syndrome. I would have to drop the Sam-e to go on the Duloxetine and I'm afraid the crash would be bad. Feel kind of stuck right now.
Posted by SLS on June 26, 2015, at 1:28:49
In reply to Re: Feel wierd, world seems strange. Help! » phidippus, posted by former poster on June 26, 2015, at 0:48:50
S-AMe is very often combined with a serotonin reuptake inhibitor. Some articles describe success doing this when treating TRD.
http://www.psychiatrictimes.com/depression/investigating-sam-e-depression
> Duloxetine and Sam-e have a risk of serotonin syndrome. I would have to drop the Sam-e to go on the Duloxetine
Why? To the best of my limited knowledge, S-AMe is not a MAO inhibitor, despite being labelled such in some ancient literature. I could find nothing on Medline describing this. Is there another reason the combination of duloxetine and S-AMe is contraindicated?
* S-AMe is the proper abbreviation for S-Adenosyl Methionine. I don't know how pop culture came to SAM-e. Sloppy transcription, I imagine. Just a little pet peeve of mine.
Given the severity and chronicity of your illness, I think you should research further the safety of combining S-AMe and duloxetine.
- Scott
Posted by former poster on June 27, 2015, at 0:25:41
In reply to Re: Feel wierd, world seems strange. Help! » former poster, posted by SLS on June 26, 2015, at 1:28:49
Thanks for that info Scott. Very good article. It's amazing that more people aren't using Sam-e. I'm on 1,200 mg a day and it's amazing for me.
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