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nardil and green tea

Posted by deerock on December 1, 2013, at 11:05:53

hi. im a frequent drinker of sencha green tea. sometimes i drink 40 oz per day. i love the stuff.

i notice since taking nardil i get headaches with the tea. im not sure if my blood pressure is rising i have not checked it after drinking the tea since i am not near a blood pressure cuff at those times.

im wondering if it makes sense to limit or stop the tea and if this is even possible, to have green tea react this way, im not aware of much tyramine in the tea.

 

Re: nardil and green tea

Posted by ed_uk2010 on December 1, 2013, at 12:22:26

In reply to nardil and green tea, posted by deerock on December 1, 2013, at 11:05:53

> hi. im a frequent drinker of sencha green tea. sometimes i drink 40 oz per day. i love the stuff.
>
> i notice since taking nardil i get headaches with the tea. im not sure if my blood pressure is rising i have not checked it after drinking the tea since i am not near a blood pressure cuff at those times.
>
> im wondering if it makes sense to limit or stop the tea and if this is even possible, to have green tea react this way, im not aware of much tyramine in the tea.

It could be due to caffeine content perhaps.

 

Re: nardil and green tea

Posted by stargazer2 on December 2, 2013, at 22:29:24

In reply to nardil and green tea, posted by deerock on December 1, 2013, at 11:05:53

Hi Deerock,

That's alot of tea! It would be clear if you reduced it to at least half of what you currently drink to see if the headache goes away.

I don't know how you can tolerate a headache wondering if it is something you ate or drank. I had one hypertensive reaction on a MAO and a stimulant and that almost killed me. I take any headache very seriously when on a MAO. The thought of having a stroke terrifies me.

BTW, I'm also on NArdil. What has been your response, how long before it worked and what dose are you on. I'm very familiar with NArdil and MArplan but just recently went back on NArdil again because only the mAOs work modestly for me. Are you on anything with Nardil. I also take 900 Lithium but not sure what that is doing.

Hope you are feeling better.

Stargazer

 

Re: nardil and green tea » stargazer2

Posted by deerock on December 3, 2013, at 20:42:55

In reply to Re: nardil and green tea, posted by stargazer2 on December 2, 2013, at 22:29:24

hi stargazer,
ive been on it for one week and im on 45 mg.
i dont feel anything yet, maybe a little more energy. i only take unisom and melatonin with it for sleep.

im not sure what to do when i get those headaches. i usually get them after drinking tea. today i got one after eating bacon. im not sure they are hypertensive headaches and honestly im not sure what to do about them. ill ask my doc when i see him in a few weeks.

are you saying i should take this more serious somehow? i figured it was a hypertensive crisis i would know and i wouldnt be wondering what was going on....thoughts?

 

Re: nardil and green tea/Deerock

Posted by stargazer2 on December 3, 2013, at 21:05:58

In reply to Re: nardil and green tea » stargazer2, posted by deerock on December 3, 2013, at 20:42:55

Hi again,

Is this your first time on a MAO?

I would try and get a BP cuff to validate if your headache is from high BP. If so then you can assume it is caused by something you are eating. I just read something and it said to limit tea to 2 cups/day. I don't see anything about bacon though.

The dietary restrictions are hard to follow and what one believes is allowed may not be so forgiving.

I don't get headaches routinely so when I get one and I assume something I ate triggered it. The few times this has happened, my BP was elevated so that is scarey knowing you could have a stroke if your BP is really in a dangerous range. The headache is usually severe and I have had visual changes and dizziness.

I would call your doc and ask about the tea and the bacon and then get a BP reading to be sure it is affecting your BP. Without that, you are in the dark.

Stargazer

 

Re: nardil and green tea/Deerock

Posted by ed_uk2010 on December 4, 2013, at 3:38:49

In reply to Re: nardil and green tea/Deerock, posted by stargazer2 on December 3, 2013, at 21:05:58

Very good advice. Also, you can buy excellent BP machines at some pharmacies. It must have a proper cuff for the upper arm, the others are useless.

Bacon is normally OK so long as the meat was entirely fresh, properly stored and well within its expiry date. Freshness of meat/fish is very important with MAOIs because degradation of the proteins in meat is what produces tyramine, this is why smoked, pickled, dried, preserved (etc) meats and fish are not allowed. Same with meat/fish or yeast extracts eg. Marmite.

Some people are more sensitive to tyramine than others, it's certainly a learning curve.


> Hi again,
>
> Is this your first time on a MAO?
>
> I would try and get a BP cuff to validate if your headache is from high BP. If so then you can assume it is caused by something you are eating. I just read something and it said to limit tea to 2 cups/day. I don't see anything about bacon though.
>
> The dietary restrictions are hard to follow and what one believes is allowed may not be so forgiving.
>
> I don't get headaches routinely so when I get one and I assume something I ate triggered it. The few times this has happened, my BP was elevated so that is scarey knowing you could have a stroke if your BP is really in a dangerous range. The headache is usually severe and I have had visual changes and dizziness.
>
> I would call your doc and ask about the tea and the bacon and then get a BP reading to be sure it is affecting your BP. Without that, you are in the dark.
>
> Stargazer

 

Re: nardil and green tea/Deerock

Posted by baseball55 on December 4, 2013, at 19:59:14

In reply to Re: nardil and green tea/Deerock, posted by ed_uk2010 on December 4, 2013, at 3:38:49

I was told the only kind of headache I should worry about was an occipital headache -- originating in the back of the head. Is this correct? I once had an occipital headache after eating parmesan cheese and went to the local emergency room. The nurse took my BP and it was high, but not dangerously high. Anxiety high, probably. After that, I bought a BP cuff. They're pretty cheap and accurate and can calm your mind.

 

Re: nardil and green tea/Deerock » baseball55

Posted by deerock on December 5, 2013, at 21:27:37

In reply to Re: nardil and green tea/Deerock, posted by baseball55 on December 4, 2013, at 19:59:14

what is dangerously high BP?
systolic over 180?

 

Re: nardil and green tea/Deerock

Posted by stargazer2 on December 5, 2013, at 22:40:27

In reply to Re: nardil and green tea/Deerock » baseball55, posted by deerock on December 5, 2013, at 21:27:37

Stargazer here,

When I had my hypertensive reaction it was 230/130, so that was IMO dangerously high, I thought.
Would think a systolic over 200 is high but the more critical reading is the diastolic. Usually docs don't consider hypertension to be that much of an issue unless the diastolic goes above 100 and stays above 100. Diastolic readings 110 and above are "dangerously high" when they are sustained. And that reading along with symptoms of a headache, sweating, blurred vision are all indicative of a critical event.

I would not feel safe without a cuff when the symptoms lead me to suspect a hypertensive event.

 

Re: nardil and green tea/Deerock

Posted by alexandra_k on December 19, 2013, at 4:30:07

In reply to Re: nardil and green tea/Deerock, posted by stargazer2 on December 5, 2013, at 22:40:27

i have heard that it is possible to get decaffeinated green tea (from a bodybuilding website that was exalting it for anti-oxidant properties but was concerned to limit caffeine intake). apparently it can be tricky to find, though... might be worth looking into it.


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