Psycho-Babble Medication Thread 980098

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please, quick pain advice: gp at 3:40

Posted by floatingbridge on March 4, 2011, at 15:28:11

I'm having severe back pain. I can't go thru the weekend.

I see my new gp emergency. Question is to start amytriplene however spelled.

I have a big bottle of norco, but don't want to go there. Will if have to.

So amytrip--can it help today? Tonight? Tomorrow?

Tues start emsam. I am getting
desperate & crazed.

Current meds:
Lyrica 2x75mg (down from 4x. Suicidal thoughts. Dropping it.)
Norco 10mg 3x daily (don't want to incur withdrawal today.)
Xanax, no specified limit. Never more than 2.0 mg usually 1-1.5mg

I'm afraid if I start amitrip that my pdoc won't start emsam.

Just trying to keep on keeping on.

Thoughts? Please?

 

gp at 3:40: don't start new med. » floatingbridge

Posted by floatingbridge on March 4, 2011, at 15:34:05

In reply to please, quick pain advice: gp at 3:40, posted by floatingbridge on March 4, 2011, at 15:28:11

So just forget amitrip?

Start nothing new. Drug myself stupid on norco until Tuesday?

Starting something new seems stupid.

I have trouble standing because of pain. My son asks why I'm breathing 'funny'.

I'm panicking. I'm taking. 5 xanax.

Terrible habit I must break: living crisis to crisis.

 

Re: gp at 3:40: don't start new med. » floatingbridge

Posted by Phillipa on March 4, 2011, at 23:54:37

In reply to gp at 3:40: don't start new med. » floatingbridge, posted by floatingbridge on March 4, 2011, at 15:34:05

No new med if starting the emsam. I'm googling norco now. As for xanax does sound like panic attack. Take it if didn't. Be right back. Love Phillipa

 

Re: gp at 3:40: don't start new med.

Posted by Phillipa on March 4, 2011, at 23:58:40

In reply to Re: gp at 3:40: don't start new med. » floatingbridge, posted by Phillipa on March 4, 2011, at 23:54:37

Okay norco is generic for vicodin. It says tell doc if hypothyroid I'm sure you did? Got to read your original thread again. Make sure got the facts.

 

Re: please, quick pain advice: gp at 3:40 » floatingbridge

Posted by Phillipa on March 5, 2011, at 0:02:06

In reply to please, quick pain advice: gp at 3:40, posted by floatingbridge on March 4, 2011, at 15:28:11

Okay call to doc tomorrow don't care that it's Saturday first thing. No new med. FB this happened when you were going to start the other news meds. Thinking anticipatory anxiety causing a lot of this. Get your back checked out if the pain is that severe. Please keep me posted. Love Phillipa

 

Re: please, quick pain advice: gp at 3:40 » Phillipa

Posted by floatingbridge on March 5, 2011, at 0:49:00

In reply to Re: please, quick pain advice: gp at 3:40 » floatingbridge, posted by Phillipa on March 5, 2011, at 0:02:06

Phillipa, thank you for caring. Yeah, I'm a nut job. I feel to crazed to be here. I'm leaving babble. No one but you really gives a sh*t.

 

Re: please, quick pain advice: gp at 3:40 » floatingbridge

Posted by floatingbridge on March 5, 2011, at 0:59:12

In reply to Re: please, quick pain advice: gp at 3:40 » Phillipa, posted by floatingbridge on March 5, 2011, at 0:49:00

What I wrote below was wrong. There are caring people here. And there were caring people here. Sometimes the world revolves around me. My crisis. My cry for help.

If a tree falls in a forest and nobody hears, does that mean nobody cares?

I apologize for leaving pb with such an expression of disrespect.

Be well.

fb

> Phillipa, thank you for caring. Yeah, I'm a nut job. I feel to crazed to be here. I'm leaving babble. No one but you really gives a sh*t.

 

Re: please, quick pain advice: gp at 3:40 » floatingbridge

Posted by Phillipa on March 5, 2011, at 20:18:55

In reply to Re: please, quick pain advice: gp at 3:40 » floatingbridge, posted by floatingbridge on March 5, 2011, at 0:59:12

I do care and feel others also do could someone else reassure FB that we care about her? Phillipa

 

Re: please, quick pain advice: gp at 3:40 » floatingbridge

Posted by hyperfocus on March 7, 2011, at 21:16:54

In reply to Re: please, quick pain advice: gp at 3:40 » floatingbridge, posted by floatingbridge on March 5, 2011, at 0:59:12

Sorry fb, I'm only now reading this - did you eventually see your doc? I know how debilitating back pain is - my aunt had it and it was the worst. All she could do was lie down.

As far as amitrip, I've seen it work wonders for neuropathic pain. What back condition do you have - is it something with nerves like spondylosis? The only thing is, for me at least, it seems to interact very badly with any type of benzo or painkiller at high doses. I can't take amitriptyline + Xanax together - it completely zombifies me. I take it at night and it gets me to sleep without fail but taking it together with anything, really, increases the sedative effect tremendously. But I know for pain the dose is very small, like a fraction of the theraputic dose for depression. My aunt is very sensitive to meds and she takes only 5mg at night and it seems to have done wonders for her spondylosis. So I would say give it a shot for the nerve pain. It can start working very quickly for pain - by a week you should be seeing some benefit.

Hit me back and tell me what's up, I do care.

 

Re: please, quick pain advice: gp at 3:40

Posted by bleauberry on March 13, 2011, at 8:42:20

In reply to please, quick pain advice: gp at 3:40, posted by floatingbridge on March 4, 2011, at 15:28:11

I trick I learned from a post-op doctor....don't take either Advil or Tylenol....take them both at the same time. Can work even better than the narcotics.

As for narcotics, there is anecdotal evidence popping up that ultra low dose naltrexone prevents tolerance, poopout, and withdrawal. LDN is 1.5mg to 4.5mg. But for the purposes of supporting narcotics, the dose is much smaller....1/10th of 1mg for example.

Bad pains and psychiatric symptoms... I'm sure you do realize this is something else. The pain and the depression are merely symptoms.

 

note from sea level » bleauberry

Posted by floatingbridge on March 13, 2011, at 15:36:01

In reply to Re: please, quick pain advice: gp at 3:40, posted by bleauberry on March 13, 2011, at 8:42:20

Oh, BB,

Thanks for the note about tylenol and nsaid.

I think this is the last thread on PB left to come to my box. I'm a wreck. Yesterday I was asking my husband if I need to be in hospital. He stills says no, but one day at a time.

I suspect a major OA flare. Simple? Nothing seems simple or straightforward with an MD. Self-diagnosis is so suspect. So I am waiting to coordinate a trustworthy care team: depression, anxiety, disabling pain (I'll need to stop everything, lie down, and just breath. Yesterday I saw two flies mate on the carpet in an eyeblink. Kinda weird being me.)

Assembled so far:

Gp who is a person and willing to be real--. She might just go for LDN. If not, I'll f'n do it myself.

A pdoc who cares but is very flipped out by this all. Wait till he hears I want out of the whole pharma thing. I don't have
one more trial in me. Lyrica just about unhinged me.

A DO with behavioral affect of Max Von
Sidow in a very independent Swedish flick. He actually palpated every darn inch of my spine, then gave one teensy
adjustment. My massage therapist remarked later that week that such and
such lump at base of skull was 'gone'. For reals? I asked? Because that is where that new Dr Von Sidow poked my neck... (My new gp reccommended him. Bonus points. AND he is in network. Gasp.

I see a biofeedback/stress therapist in two weeks. Also in network. I try not to take any pleasant news as a sign of improvement.

Thanks for writing.

 

hyperfocus :) » hyperfocus

Posted by floatingbridge on March 13, 2011, at 15:56:34

In reply to Re: please, quick pain advice: gp at 3:40 » floatingbridge, posted by hyperfocus on March 7, 2011, at 21:16:54

Thanks. I know you care, and it was wonderful to read your note. I know other folks care, too. I was going down in flames.

Not spondylosis. I don't think. That's been ruled out by bloodwork. Is that an AI illness as in anklyospondylosis? Forgive the spelling.

My shrink isn't keen on Ami. But what
does anyone know? I don't know. After some failed trials, I
feel so afraid. Plus my long time insomnia med has stopped working :( If it were just me, I could almost give an f. But I've got a wonderful child.

I might try doxipin at night. I could even try ami. I'll let you know if I get anything
to help. Right now I'm going to try BB's
above mentioned nsaid combo.

Despite lifelong emotional lability, social anxiety, depression, I didn't really know this type of pain. My heart goes out to all sorts of folks--the ones I walked or ran by when I felt healthy.

Do you deal with pain, too?

Thanks. fb

 

Re: hyperfocus :) » floatingbridge

Posted by Phillipa on March 13, 2011, at 19:35:01

In reply to hyperfocus :) » hyperfocus, posted by floatingbridge on March 13, 2011, at 15:56:34

FB I have spondalosis sp? It's skeletal system. Bone spurs form also, and narrowing of spinal columm. That foot doc I saw wants me to see a neurosurgery and spine doc. I don't know if the one they recommended takes medicaire. Pain today so bad I couldn't stand it. Draining. Down right leg some also so that's from where had ruptured disc, remember the 24 hours of motrin 600mg I took for tooth eliminated the pain. Anyway somehow inflammation tied it? Love Phillipa

 

Re: spondylosis » Phillipa

Posted by floatingbridge on March 13, 2011, at 19:47:18

In reply to Re: hyperfocus :) » floatingbridge, posted by Phillipa on March 13, 2011, at 19:35:01

Phillipa, then I guess I don't know what that is....

I'm sorry your pain is that bad right now. :(

PB could use a chronic pain board....

No, wait. Guess that's health.

Hugs.

 

Re: spondylosis » floatingbridge

Posted by Phillipa on March 13, 2011, at 20:52:59

In reply to Re: spondylosis » Phillipa, posted by floatingbridge on March 13, 2011, at 19:47:18

Health is gone. Bob deleted it. I wonder if the osteo board a member of has this as they deal with everything from cancer to back issues and bone issues? Love Phillipa

 

Re: spondylosis

Posted by Cydnie on March 14, 2011, at 9:44:14

In reply to Re: spondylosis » floatingbridge, posted by Phillipa on March 13, 2011, at 20:52:59

FB:
Did you ever get my babblemail? I wrote awhile ago. I haven't been back on pb for awhile because I was doing so sh**ty. Still not doing great. Actually wanted to come on and see if you started your emsam or not. Luckily I started it without the whole 2 week washout, and was able to take my adderall with it too. I had a reaction to it (because of my masto pain problem, look at how many of us have chronic pain and depression!!! Yikes!!) but also made me too agitated (I read last night, this guy started with 3mg, he cut it in 1/2, because he wrote that at 6mg, you get a ton of dopamine, but it's not high enough for the serotonin and norepinephrine, so if you're someone (I'm guessing maybe like me) who didn't need that much dopamine to start, it was too agitating, so he cut his in half! If it hadn't caused the pain flare-ups from my pain disorder, I would have tried that! I'm not suggesting it to you, just relaying what I read, and of course hoping you are one of the lucky ones who does so well on it, you're off this board only because you're so happy and have too much you want to do!!! I've been so depressed, otherwise I of course would have been on here writing to you too. Hoping you are doing a lot better, keep on writing in. The 2 week washout is terribble, I'm just starting mine today. Let us know how you're doing! If I ever read anything wrong, please just know it's just I think the meds make me spacey, and not because I'm not trying to read it well. I'm avoiding going downstairs where my poor little one is watching elmo in his exersaucer, because I'm scared of trying to go down there and disappoint myself by failing as a mom again, but I gotta go. Anyway, I really hope you're better, and you have a lot of caring people out here who understand and empathize, I always need to remind myself of that too, I feel so alone sometimes, I feel suicidal ideation. But then I come back here! It's a great site, and we're here for you!

 

Re: hyperfocus :) » floatingbridge

Posted by hyperfocus on March 14, 2011, at 11:45:05

In reply to hyperfocus :) » hyperfocus, posted by floatingbridge on March 13, 2011, at 15:56:34

Spondylosis is a condition where the nerves between the vertebrae start getting compressed. Many people just develop it as their bodies age. Usually it needs to be diagnosed by a neurologist. If your back pain is due to nerve damage instead of damage to or inflammation of the bones and joints - then amitrip in low doses is definitely worth a shot. It's been shown to be very effective with the most difficult neuropathic pain like fibromyalga and diabetic neuropathy. If you're having pain and insomnia then amitrip at night should definitely be on the cards. I know it's an old drug and not much money to be made from it now but it's still very good - if you want I can send you some articles you can show to your doc/T. No other tricyclic has the painkilling properties of amitrip.

I don't have to deal with any chronic physical pain, thankfully, but I am hyperglycemic and very overweight and out of shape due to years of inactivity because of social phobia. So no matter what this disease will impact your physical well-being significantly. Have both physical and mental pain can be overwhelming, especially when there are other people who depend on you, but I know you're strong fb and your family knows what a great wife and mother you are. Everybody here knows what a great person you are. It seems a rule that in life the most sensitive, caring people are the ones who have to suffer the most. But you will get through this.

 

Re: spondylosis » Cydnie

Posted by floatingbridge on March 14, 2011, at 13:58:25

In reply to Re: spondylosis, posted by Cydnie on March 14, 2011, at 9:44:14

Cyndie,

I did get your note--I was pleased, not because you were unhappy (umm, understatement), but because you wrote.

I feel so horrible, and I lean on everyone around me--and thank the stars I have anyone--. So, I didn't write back. I'm, like, sliding down a steep hill grabbing at
branches, rocks, grass. Anything. Sounds like you know exactly.

Yeah. The kid. I went zero to 120 last night because my husband was taking his very polite, indirect way in dividing one
piece of wheat-free (because of me)
chocolate cake three ways. I didn't want any, but was 'showing up' at the table to keep up some standard of civil living for my child. It's late, almost his bedtime,
and DH gives him 1+ inches of xxx
chocolate fudge icing. Well, any joy in that moment I certainly ruined.

I've had to give up so much. Ways I wanted to spend time w/ my kid. Certain
limits enforced (like at least three hours should be alotted per pound of sugar consumed by anyone under the age of 9
before bedtime.... I still feel sorry for
myself. (Not because I left before cake was served :D .) Self-pity is ungrateful,
because all my DH was doing was being
kind to our son esp now that his nice lady mom needs restraints once a day. My son loves me, but is scared. That, now that, really feels like sh*t.

(For the record, I 'only' have apoplexy-
like fits. No name-calling, hitting, physical stuff.... It's more like, what?
You don't have your bathing suit?! And
on a dime I'm speed walking to the car
so hyper-aroused, that I know I won't be able to 'come down', drive home and
back to make swim lesson. I hate
this!!!!!!! He says, I know it's not because of me, but your 'arthritis'-- our household colloquialism for whatever the F is wrong with me. However, he feels it.

Cydnie, thanks for writing. So are some treatments beginning to help a little?
Jeez. I hope you feel improvement steadily. Big hugs.

Do you make use of books on tape for your wee one? Invaluable here. Sometimes too tired to read :(

 

kind words » hyperfocus

Posted by floatingbridge on March 14, 2011, at 14:44:39

In reply to Re: hyperfocus :) » floatingbridge, posted by hyperfocus on March 14, 2011, at 11:45:05

Thank you for that, HP.

Guess I do have that. It's been remarked upon. Though the word never used--like if I just walked more everything would be cured. (Sorry. Still angry at last physiatrist I fired for nothing. As in what he did. Nothing :( .)

Social anxiety. Oh. That can be very
intractable. I'm very sorry. I don't care for exercise bikes or treadmills, myself. I don't always want to leave the house.

Your advice re: ami sounds so reasonable. That's what my gp says, too.

O.K. day by day. I'll call her.

Thanks : J

 

Re: note from sea level » floatingbridge

Posted by bleauberry on March 14, 2011, at 16:57:16

In reply to note from sea level » bleauberry, posted by floatingbridge on March 13, 2011, at 15:36:01

I am really sorry things are so rough right now. Wish there was something to do to help. I wish for things to turnaround soon. Your strength is amazing.

 

Re: hyperfocus :) » hyperfocus

Posted by Phillipa on March 14, 2011, at 19:58:33

In reply to Re: hyperfocus :) » floatingbridge, posted by hyperfocus on March 14, 2011, at 11:45:05

Hyperfocus x-rays dx'd the spondylosis and bone spurs, another doc wants me to see a Nerosurgeon Spine doc got the card here. Go to Caroina Neurosurgery and Spine in Charlotte NC. I was recommended a Dr Hunter Dyer. Studied in France and here in US. A large group of docs. Many treatments and site lists them all depending on whether a nerve is involved. Started using back support again today for riding bike to avoid pain. Does help. I know meds are mentioned on the site couldn't find names of them? Thanks for the article. Phillipa

 

Re: note from sea level » bleauberry

Posted by floatingbridge on March 14, 2011, at 21:20:21

In reply to Re: note from sea level » floatingbridge, posted by bleauberry on March 14, 2011, at 16:57:16

Thanks, BB. I'm kinda' dense, too : J

I hope things are good where you are. You have my support and good wishes, too.

 

Re: note from sea level » floatingbridge

Posted by morgan miller on March 15, 2011, at 16:26:47

In reply to Re: note from sea level » bleauberry, posted by floatingbridge on March 14, 2011, at 21:20:21

Hey FB, hope you are hanging in o.k.

Are you able to exercise at all?

What do you think about a steam room followed by a freezing cold shower? It really rejuvenates me, especially after my workouts, and any discomfort I felt before is gone, at least for a little while.

 

Re: gp at 3:40: don't start new med.

Posted by morgan miller on March 15, 2011, at 16:51:51

In reply to gp at 3:40: don't start new med. » floatingbridge, posted by floatingbridge on March 4, 2011, at 15:34:05

FB, sorry if it feels like I'm bugging you with suggestions : )

I'm wondering if you have ever considered heavy antibiotic therapy as pathogens are now believed to possibly be responsible for many autoimmune disorders. Now I sound like BB : )

How about these supplements:

Curcumin-One I really like is Curamin by Terry Naturally-expensive but it works for a lot of people.

Medicinal Mushrooms-things like reishi, chaga, maitake, cordyceps, etc.

Aloe Vera Juice-Herbal Answers is best

I know buying supplements like this can get very expensive, but if you can find some way to afford them, it might be well worth the expense.

 

Re: note from sea level » floatingbridge

Posted by morgan miller on March 15, 2011, at 16:56:01

In reply to note from sea level » bleauberry, posted by floatingbridge on March 13, 2011, at 15:36:01

I think LDN is a great idea. I also think you should research some of the supplements I suggested as much as you can. Pubmed is a good place to go for reliable research.

If your doctor does not go for LDN, either find another that will, or find and inexpensive reliable online pharmacy you can buy it from. We need to be our own advocates. Doctors are our employees, we are their employers. LDN at a low dose will be a harmless trial, any doctor would be incompetent not to give it a try. This country is full of incompetent doctors.


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