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Posted by Neal on May 25, 2009, at 22:36:44
In reply to Re: Radical New Treatment With Fast Success » bulldog2, posted by Phillipa on May 25, 2009, at 20:00:42
> Don't have a pdoc right now mine was in a car accident and in ICU and no idea if she will ever return to work. Thinking of quitting everything cold turkey see what happens as I really don't care anymore. It's my right. Phillipa
Phillipa,
What's the matter . . ?
Posted by ParnateStarted2008 on May 26, 2009, at 8:41:45
In reply to Re: Radical New Treatment With Fast Success » bulldog2, posted by Phillipa on May 25, 2009, at 20:00:42
> Don't have a pdoc right now mine was in a car accident and in ICU and no idea if she will ever return to work. Thinking of quitting everything cold turkey see what happens as I really don't care anymore. It's my right. Phillipa
last time you quit luvox you ended in the ER.. Damn these meds can get frustrating hey.. your regular doctor should be of help since your pdoc is in ICU! Dont CT, even tapering off meds can have real crappy withdrawl especialy since you've been on them for a while....
hmmm.. well are luvox 50mg taperable? are they solid? or capsuls with little sphere's or powder?
If you do decide to go off please taper slowly. It took me forever chopping down 20mg paxil's, then 10mg paxils until I could handel the withdrawl.
I ran out of Nardil once and was in the ER within 3 days with brain zaps that would literally drop me to my knees.
Posted by bulldog2 on May 26, 2009, at 15:22:59
In reply to Re: Radical New Treatment With Fast Success » bulldog2, posted by Phillipa on May 25, 2009, at 20:00:42
> Don't have a pdoc right now mine was in a car accident and in ICU and no idea if she will ever return to work. Thinking of quitting everything cold turkey see what happens as I really don't care anymore. It's my right. Phillipa
Unfortunately after your years on an ssri you more than likely have disrupted your dopamine system which in turn has has played havoc with healthy opiod production. Healthy opiod production relies on a healthy dopamine neuroendicine susbsystem. Some symtoms of a subpar opiod system would be thyroid problems, anxiety issues, and chronic aches and pains. You need to use hormones and or medications to try and rebalance your dopamine system. The smallest patch of emsam might help with dopamine rebalancing. In spite of dopamine rebalancing your opiod system may be permanently injured thru ssri insult and you would require permanent opiate supplementation (low dose ) to relieve your symptoms.
In spite of your p-doc being in the icu life moves on and you need a psychopharmacologist well versed in cutting edge philosophy and practices that would use opiates in their treatment.
I find it ironic that before the advent of modern psychiatry opiates were used for depression and a variety of mental disorders. A drug that comes from mother earth and is effective from day 1. Yet dispite billions spent by big pharm and a 100 years of research they have really not given us anything better than the opiates and in most cases vastly inferior. Makes you wonder. Maybe the answer was there all along!
Your task is to find a p-doc that is willing to work and think outside the box.
Posted by Phillipa on May 26, 2009, at 19:44:43
In reply to Re: Radical New Treatment With Fast Success, posted by bulldog2 on May 26, 2009, at 15:22:59
Yesterday was a really bad day rain and just couldn't get it together. Bulldog on bioidentical hormones now. Staying with the luvox and benzos. Sorry I just was so mad at me for not being normal whatever that is. I guess the old me. Love and thanks for all our your concern. Phillipa
Posted by garnet71 on May 26, 2009, at 19:59:48
In reply to Re: Radical New Treatment With Fast Success, posted by bulldog2 on May 26, 2009, at 15:22:59
Bulldog2, How do you know this to be true?
"Unfortunately after your years on an ssri you more than likely have disrupted your dopamine system which in turn has has played havoc with healthy opiod production. Healthy opiod production relies on a healthy dopamine neuroendicine susbsystem. Some symtoms of a subpar opiod system would be thyroid problems, anxiety issues, and chronic aches and pains. You need to use hormones and or medications to try and rebalance your dopamine system. The smallest patch of emsam might help with dopamine rebalancing. In spite of dopamine rebalancing your opiod system may be permanently injured thru ssri insult and you would require permanent opiate supplementation (low dose ) to relieve your symptoms. "
Posted by Sigismund on May 27, 2009, at 17:07:03
In reply to Re: Radical New Treatment With Fast Success, posted by bulldog2 on May 26, 2009, at 15:22:59
>I find it ironic that before the advent of modern psychiatry opiates were used for depression and a variety of mental disorders. A drug that comes from mother earth and is effective from day 1. Yet dispite billions spent by big pharm and a 100 years of research they have really not given us anything better than the opiates and in most cases vastly inferior. Makes you wonder. Maybe the answer was there all along!
Every second indigenous culture had psychoactive plants more satisfactory than the drugs created by the pharmaceutical industry.
Posted by Neal on May 28, 2009, at 0:51:47
In reply to Re: Radical New Treatment With Fast Success » bulldog2, posted by Sigismund on May 27, 2009, at 17:07:03
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> >I find it ironic that before the advent of modern psychiatry opiates were used for depression and a variety of mental disorders. A drug that comes from mother earth and is effective from day 1. Yet dispite billions spent by big pharm and a 100 years of research they have really not given us anything better than the opiates and in most cases vastly inferior.
I agree, Sigismund, but also think that it wouldn't work for everyone. Maybe I0%-20% would respond long-term positively.
The America of the I9th century had the so-called "patent" medicines that were often opiates or alcohol by other names. People often medicated themselves with laudenum, which was an alcoholic herbal preparation of opium. The medical profession was in it's infancy, with many quacks and just plain ignorant people practicing medicine. People were really on their own, and even if they could afford a doctor, they avoided them.
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Posted by Neal on May 28, 2009, at 1:53:42
In reply to Re: Radical New Treatment With Fast Success, posted by Phillipa on May 26, 2009, at 19:44:43
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"Bulldog on bioidentical hormones now.". . . wait a minute, bulldog who? you mean bulldog whose post started this thread? I'm confused :)
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Posted by Phillipa on May 28, 2009, at 19:00:01
In reply to Re: Radical New Treatment With Fast Success » Phillipa, posted by Neal on May 28, 2009, at 1:53:42
Neal glad to see someone else gets confused!!!! Just telling Bulldog I'm taking bioidentical hormones now. Babblemail if need more info. Love Phillipa
Posted by Neal on May 29, 2009, at 0:08:51
In reply to Re: Radical New Treatment With Fast Success » Neal, posted by Phillipa on May 28, 2009, at 19:00:01
> Neal glad to see someone else gets confused!!!! Just telling Bulldog I'm taking bioidentical hormones now. Babblemail if need more info. Love Phillipa
I'm in the midst of moving, so I'm really confused. What are bioidentical hormones? Is it like "Invasion of the Body Snatchers", and someone is growing an identical body to yours in the greenhouse?
Posted by rollingthunder on June 4, 2009, at 16:44:24
In reply to Radical New Treatment With Fast Success, posted by bulldog2 on May 22, 2009, at 18:08:12
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> I'm using this for anxiety, depression and add.
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> 1.10 milligrams percodan every 6 hours
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> 2.600 milligrams neurontin every 6 hours
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> 3. 20 milligrams ritalin every 6 hours.
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> Has abolished my depression, anxiety and add from the first day. Good for my pain of fibromyalgia also. P-doc calls it the blitkrieg
treatment.
Bulldog,How's the treatment working after 2 weeks?
Posted by bulldog2 on June 5, 2009, at 16:20:51
In reply to Re: Radical New Treatment With Fast Success » bulldog2, posted by rollingthunder on June 4, 2009, at 16:44:24
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> > I'm using this for anxiety, depression and add.
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> > 1.10 milligrams percodan every 6 hours
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> > 2.600 milligrams neurontin every 6 hours
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> > 3. 20 milligrams ritalin every 6 hours.
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> > Has abolished my depression, anxiety and add from the first day. Good for my pain of fibromyalgia also. P-doc calls it the blitkrieg
> treatment.
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> Bulldog,
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> How's the treatment working after 2 weeks?
>Yes still in remission. P-doc had me change ritalin to adderall-xr 10 mg twice a day. I seem to have moved to a state of blissful euphoria since that change. Yes very happy with the cocktail. Also feeling quite spiritual. P-doc documenting the cocktail and it's results. He seems to have a journal in mind.
For those who are treatment resistant I recommend giving this cocktail a trial.
Posted by Phillipa on June 5, 2009, at 20:36:58
In reply to Re: Radical New Treatment With Fast Success, posted by bulldog2 on June 5, 2009, at 16:20:51
Just read if you weren't add or adhd as a child not advised to use these stimulants. Think it was Web Md newsletter??? Glad you're doing well though. Phillipa
Posted by bulldog2 on June 6, 2009, at 9:39:30
In reply to Re: Radical New Treatment With Fast Success » bulldog2, posted by Phillipa on June 5, 2009, at 20:36:58
> Just read if you weren't add or adhd as a child not advised to use these stimulants. Think it was Web Md newsletter??? Glad you're doing well though. Phillipa
Was add as a child.
Posted by bulldog2 on June 6, 2009, at 15:18:32
In reply to Re: Radical New Treatment With Fast Success » bulldog2, posted by Phillipa on June 5, 2009, at 20:36:58
> Just read if you weren't add or adhd as a child not advised to use these stimulants. Think it was Web Md newsletter??? Glad you're doing well though. Phillipa
Thank you for your concern. I believe I read somewhere that women taking sex hormones have an increased risk of uterine and breast cancer??? Don't you worry about taking these dangerous hormones? Hope you're feeling better.
Posted by Phillipa on June 6, 2009, at 20:33:14
In reply to Re: Radical New Treatment With Fast Success, posted by bulldog2 on June 6, 2009, at 15:18:32
Google difference between bioidentical and synthetic that should clear up any problem. I said I was happy for you and do remember you telling me add as a child. So why question me? Google my doc's site www.carolinahealthspan.com. Then google Stanley's Pharmacy in Statesville NC. Should explain a lot. Also Woman to woman the newsletter is great at explaining. Thanks for taking an interest in me so kind. Phillipa
Posted by rollingthunder on June 6, 2009, at 20:56:01
In reply to Re: Radical New Treatment With Fast Success, posted by bulldog2 on June 5, 2009, at 16:20:51
"Yes still in remission. P-doc had me change ritalin to adderall-xr 10 mg twice a day. I seem to have moved to a state of blissful euphoria since that change. Yes very happy with the cocktail. Also feeling quite spiritual. P-doc documenting the cocktail and it's results. He seems to have a journal in mind.
For those who are treatment resistant I recommend giving this cocktail a trial."
sounds good, Bulldog. Happy for you.
Posted by rollingthunder on June 6, 2009, at 21:51:13
In reply to Re: Radical New Treatment With Fast Success » bulldog2, posted by rollingthunder on June 4, 2009, at 16:44:24
Bulldog,
I googled Percodan. It's Oxycodone plus aspirin. I'm guessing that most Pdocs wouldn't write a script for that for depression due to well-publicized prosecutions of certain docs? Would that be correct?
Posted by Phillipa on June 6, 2009, at 23:53:29
In reply to Re: Radical New Treatment With Fast Success » bulldog2, posted by Phillipa on June 6, 2009, at 20:33:14
OOPS Stanley's Compounding RX Charlotte Nc. Posted wrong city. Sorry Phillipa
Posted by bulldog2 on June 7, 2009, at 9:39:45
In reply to Re: Radical New Treatment With Fast Success, posted by rollingthunder on June 6, 2009, at 21:51:13
> Bulldog,
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> I googled Percodan. It's Oxycodone plus aspirin. I'm guessing that most Pdocs wouldn't write a script for that for depression due to well-publicized prosecutions of certain docs? Would that be correct?once stablizied on a dose will be moved to oxycontin which is just oxycodone.
Posted by bulldog2 on June 7, 2009, at 9:55:38
In reply to Re: Radical New Treatment With Fast Success » bulldog2, posted by Phillipa on June 6, 2009, at 20:33:14
> Google difference between bioidentical and synthetic that should clear up any problem. I said I was happy for you and do remember you telling me add as a child. So why question me? Google my doc's site www.carolinahealthspan.com. Then google Stanley's Pharmacy in Statesville NC. Should explain a lot. Also Woman to woman the newsletter is great at explaining. Thanks for taking an interest in me so kind. Phillipa
Bioidenticle does not guarantee safety. It just means identicle to what the human body produces. I know of a couple women in a forum I belong to who now have cancer after starting treatment with these compounded hormones. They both now have breast cancer. One man has prostate cancer after doing the trt protocol. Anyhow I commend you for your bravery in being a pioneer for the antiaging movement. May God go with you. My wife and I started the bioidenticle hormone protocol several summers ago and we both had to stop due to adverse reactions.
Posted by Phillipa on June 7, 2009, at 21:16:09
In reply to Re: Radical New Treatment With Fast Success, posted by bulldog2 on June 7, 2009, at 9:55:38
Oh took them before when going through menopause but it was one size fits all. No problems at all no side effects couldn't tolerate the horse premarin. Yup I've seen there are now quite a few FDA approved ones. Climara and Vivelle Dot For Estrogen, Promethium for progesterone even an estrogen spray Evamist. If I had good insurance would use them my next door neighbor loves them. The creams are just harder to measure in the l0ml syringes. Sometimes too much come out oh well. Practice makes perfect. Phillipa ps sorry they didn't work out for you.
Posted by bulldog2 on June 8, 2009, at 11:20:38
In reply to Re: Radical New Treatment With Fast Success » bulldog2, posted by Phillipa on June 7, 2009, at 21:16:09
> Oh took them before when going through menopause but it was one size fits all. No problems at all no side effects couldn't tolerate the horse premarin. Yup I've seen there are now quite a few FDA approved ones. Climara and Vivelle Dot For Estrogen, Promethium for progesterone even an estrogen spray Evamist. If I had good insurance would use them my next door neighbor loves them. The creams are just harder to measure in the l0ml syringes. Sometimes too much come out oh well. Practice makes perfect. Phillipa ps sorry they didn't work out for you.
Suzanne Sommers uses an anti-aging place called Cenegenics. Supposed to be marvelous. I believe $10,000 a year cover all tests and hormones.
Posted by Phillipa on June 8, 2009, at 20:38:59
In reply to Re: Radical New Treatment With Fast Success, posted by bulldog2 on June 8, 2009, at 11:20:38
Bulldog that's less than my surgery think I'll google it thanks. Phillipa
Posted by Phillipa on June 8, 2009, at 20:46:45
In reply to Re: Radical New Treatment With Fast Success, posted by bulldog2 on June 8, 2009, at 11:20:38
Actually I don't like the way Suzanne is doing it as she's pulsing and believes in Wiley treatment I don't nor does my doc. Wonder where Dr. Phil's wife goes more credence in her but I like my doc simple to do hormone testing. Phillipa
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