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Posted by Phillipa on June 20, 2007, at 15:00:05
Just left the therapists office a PHD she thinks my depression is mild to moderate hence manbe why can't take the others in prescribed doses. Thinks problem anxiety so what in your opinion would be the best meds for me and at what doses remember the thyroid thanks Love Phillipa
Posted by Quintal on June 20, 2007, at 15:16:35
In reply to Best Ad for Mild to Moderate Depression Least Side, posted by Phillipa on June 20, 2007, at 15:00:05
Tianeptine (Stablon) immediately springs to mind. Has the least side effects of all serotonin meds - in fact I had none. You've tried nearly all the others, don't really want to take Nardil, so my suggestion would be to try a course of tianeptine as it works in a different way and is very mild on the system. Not forgetting opiates of course (if only you could get access to them).
Q
Posted by BabyBunny on June 20, 2007, at 15:56:56
In reply to Re: Best Ad for Mild to Moderate Depression Least » Phillipa, posted by Quintal on June 20, 2007, at 15:16:35
I dunno... I know today is only my 1st day on 2.5mg of Lexapro but I'm telling you, I haven't felt this GREAT in SO VERY LONG!!!
I have actually done more housework in this day alone than I have in about a year. Literally. And tonight I'm making dinner. Something I haven't done since Mid-November.
The "Whoa" feeling I had is gone and my mind is more clear than it's been in I don't know how long! I am totally on it today in everything I do! My concentration is like it used to be.
I am serious. I believe a miracle has happened! LOL But really! I have literally done a 180 today. I'm not sure if the Lexapro is the cause but I can tell you I sure felt SO MUCH BETTER after taking it and still do!
I WANT TO LIVE! And I mean really LIVE! No more sitting around feeling bad. I feel such strength emotionally, mentally, physically and spiritually it's unreal. It's AWESOME!
So I guess what I'm saying is I would give a tiny dose like the 2.5mg I take of Lexapro a try. Especially being that you too say you can't handle anything well but benzos. Just like me.
Good luck to you sweetie! I said a prayer for you! And I'm going to again! I just hope and pray you find something to ease your suffering as you've been far too long like so many of us.
Take care!
Hugs,
Baby Bunny
Posted by gardenergirl on June 20, 2007, at 16:14:03
In reply to Best Ad for Mild to Moderate Depression Least Side, posted by Phillipa on June 20, 2007, at 15:00:05
Hi Phillipa,
I don't have the med experience or knowledge to help you out. But I do have a thought or two about taking meds in general. I think that anxiety about taking medication and how you might react is part of this. Is that right?If so, I wonder if maybe making a list of possible side effects in general, not med specific, and then sort of rating them on how tolerable/not tolerable they are might help. It's so much information about meds and what side effects are common with which ones. Maybe if you had it sorted out for yourself which ones you can cope with and which ones are "deal breakers", perhaps that would help you select a good treatment?
Just as an example...one of the side effects from Nardil I experience is hyperreflexia. I can tolerate that, in fact it's actually amusing for minutes at a time. :) But akathisia is a "deal-breaker" for me. I can't imagine any therapeutic benefit that would be strong enough to counter akathisia.
What do you think? Wacky or what?
Take care,
gg
Posted by BabyBunny on June 20, 2007, at 16:42:00
In reply to A tangent suggestion » Phillipa, posted by gardenergirl on June 20, 2007, at 16:14:03
I think this is a GREAT idea! And something worth considering. Although I'm still happy, happy, happy on my Lexapro. LOL :) Yea!
> Hi Phillipa,
> I don't have the med experience or knowledge to help you out. But I do have a thought or two about taking meds in general. I think that anxiety about taking medication and how you might react is part of this. Is that right?
>
> If so, I wonder if maybe making a list of possible side effects in general, not med specific, and then sort of rating them on how tolerable/not tolerable they are might help. It's so much information about meds and what side effects are common with which ones. Maybe if you had it sorted out for yourself which ones you can cope with and which ones are "deal breakers", perhaps that would help you select a good treatment?
>
> Just as an example...one of the side effects from Nardil I experience is hyperreflexia. I can tolerate that, in fact it's actually amusing for minutes at a time. :) But akathisia is a "deal-breaker" for me. I can't imagine any therapeutic benefit that would be strong enough to counter akathisia.
>
> What do you think? Wacky or what?
>
> Take care,
>
> gg
Posted by Daky on June 20, 2007, at 17:37:31
In reply to Best Ad for Mild to Moderate Depression Least Side, posted by Phillipa on June 20, 2007, at 15:00:05
I have hypothyroidism. I also have a low grade depression and GAD, for which I take 2 mg. Xanax XR/day and 20 mg. Lexapro.
For AD's I've tried Celexa (just ok), Zoloft (didn't work well) and Prozac (many years ago). The Lexapro has been helpful, although it did take a bit of getting used to in ramping up the dose.
Posted by Bob on June 20, 2007, at 19:44:38
In reply to Re: Best Ad for Mild to Moderate Depression Least » Phillipa, posted by Quintal on June 20, 2007, at 15:16:35
> Tianeptine (Stablon) immediately springs to mind. Has the least side effects of all serotonin meds - in fact I had none. You've tried nearly all the others, don't really want to take Nardil, so my suggestion would be to try a course of tianeptine as it works in a different way and is very mild on the system. Not forgetting opiates of course (if only you could get access to them).
>
> QWhere does one get "Tianeptine"? I looked it up on some US drug lists, and get nothing.
Posted by Quintal on June 20, 2007, at 19:55:52
In reply to Re: Best Ad for Mild to Moderate Depression Least » Quintal, posted by Bob on June 20, 2007, at 19:44:38
The only way to get tianeptine in the US is to import a supply from a source on the internet. There are many if you Google 'Buy Tianeptine' or some such. Obviously it's against the rules for me to use this site to give out addresses directly.
Q
Posted by Phillipa on June 20, 2007, at 20:37:07
In reply to Re: Best Ad for Mild to Moderate Depression Least » Phillipa, posted by Quintal on June 20, 2007, at 15:16:35
Quintal I know they would be perfect. Love Phillipa
Posted by Phillipa on June 20, 2007, at 20:39:18
In reply to Re: Best Ad for Mild to Moderate Depression Least, posted by BabyBunny on June 20, 2007, at 15:56:56
Thanks Baby Bunny I'm so happy for you and I'd kind of thought the same then we could hop all over together. Love Phillipa
Posted by Phillipa on June 20, 2007, at 20:41:24
In reply to A tangent suggestion » Phillipa, posted by gardenergirl on June 20, 2007, at 16:14:03
GG no not at all very on target. Thanks so much. Love Phillipa
Posted by gardenergirl on June 20, 2007, at 22:47:13
In reply to Re: A tangent suggestion » gardenergirl, posted by Phillipa on June 20, 2007, at 20:41:24
Posted by gardenergirl on June 20, 2007, at 23:14:02
In reply to Re: A tangent suggestion » gardenergirl, posted by BabyBunny on June 20, 2007, at 16:42:00
Posted by Phillipa on June 20, 2007, at 23:14:35
In reply to Alrighty then, my mistake. (nm) » Phillipa, posted by gardenergirl on June 20, 2007, at 22:47:13
GG sweetie you didn't make a mistake I reread what I wrote to you your idea is excellent. Sorry I need to take coorespondence courses I guess. Thanks so much Love Jan
Posted by gardenergirl on June 21, 2007, at 7:27:33
In reply to Re: Alrighty then, my mistake. » gardenergirl, posted by Phillipa on June 20, 2007, at 23:14:35
I see now. Glad to help. :)
gg
Posted by linkadge on June 21, 2007, at 7:56:44
In reply to Ohh, I misread it. Sorry. :) » Phillipa, posted by gardenergirl on June 21, 2007, at 7:27:33
Tianeptine is not avaiable in the U.S. or Canada. Apparently North America doesn't like people creating more effective meds that contradict their inacurate theories about how medications should work.
They keep tianeptine out so that they can continue to pretend to know it all.
I know..B.S....but perhaps a partial truth.
Linkadge
Posted by BabyBunny on June 21, 2007, at 9:11:06
In reply to Best Ad for Mild to Moderate Depression Least Side, posted by Phillipa on June 20, 2007, at 15:00:05
No No No! I changed my mind! If you have Bipolar DO NOT take Lexapro even at 2.5mg! The others from my post were right. I did a 180 again and feel awful today even though yesterday was great. It DEFINITELY induced the rapid cycling of My Bipolar I.
No more antidepressants for me! That's it! I'm even gonna try to go off my Depakote cuz that makes me depressed. I believe I feel better with less meds.
Posted by Fivefires on June 21, 2007, at 12:01:07
In reply to Re: Ohh, I misread it. Sorry. :), posted by linkadge on June 21, 2007, at 7:56:44
But, how would we get 'a P' to follow us along if we ordered Tianipine? We'd basically be on our own. Doesn't that scare any1? Doesn't really scare me that much, but then tell me to jump, and I'll jump!
Good thread Phillipa. Sorry bunny re: Lex.
5f
Posted by Bob on June 21, 2007, at 13:16:08
In reply to Re: Ohh, I misread it. Sorry. :), posted by Fivefires on June 21, 2007, at 12:01:07
> But, how would we get 'a P' to follow us along if we ordered Tianipine? We'd basically be on our own. Doesn't that scare any1? Doesn't really scare me that much, but then tell me to jump, and I'll jump!
>
> Good thread Phillipa. Sorry bunny re: Lex.
>
> 5f
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>It scares the hell outta me. If I'm in super bad shape and need more meds but somehow my supply got interrupted, I'd be royally screwed.
Posted by BabyBunny on June 21, 2007, at 15:35:57
In reply to Re: Ohh, I misread it. Sorry. :), posted by Fivefires on June 21, 2007, at 12:01:07
Thanks so much 5F. I greatly appreciate it. I had a total breakdown today. This is only the 3rd time I have been out of my bedroom all day. And I was on the phone with my mom for literally 7 hours since we are far from one another. I was scared to death all day and really broke down BAD. I mean BAD. We just hung up and I'm so exhausted I can barely function.
I do wish you all the best and hope you all get the treatment you deserve and need. I hope this for each of us as suffering with a mental health issue (or numerous) is terrible not only for us but those around us. I will pray for all for healing as we all should have wonderful, happy, full lives.
Take good care everyone and please be strong. Bless you all!
Hugs,
Baby Bunny
> But, how would we get 'a P' to follow us along if we ordered Tianipine? We'd basically be on our own. Doesn't that scare any1? Doesn't really scare me that much, but then tell me to jump, and I'll jump!
>
> Good thread Phillipa. Sorry bunny re: Lex.
>
> 5f
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Posted by Fivefires on June 22, 2007, at 5:25:53
In reply to Re: Ohh, I misread it. Sorry. :) » Fivefires, posted by BabyBunny on June 21, 2007, at 15:35:57
Hugs back to you Baby Bunny!
5f
Posted by Racer on June 22, 2007, at 12:40:34
In reply to A tangent suggestion » Phillipa, posted by gardenergirl on June 20, 2007, at 16:14:03
Posted by Racer on June 22, 2007, at 12:47:26
In reply to Re: Ohh, I misread it. Sorry. :), posted by Fivefires on June 21, 2007, at 12:01:07
> But, how would we get 'a P' to follow us along if we ordered Tianipine? We'd basically be on our own. Doesn't that scare any1?
It really depends on the pdoc. I've talked to mine about Tianepine, and he's amenable to trying it. We'd order it from abroad, he'd write the prescription for it, do some research to help figure out dosage, etc, and he'd do the same follow up that he does now with regularly approved drugs. Although I think my pdoc is certainly exceptional, I don't think he's necessarily unique in this regard. He says he's ordered other drugs from abroad for his patients over the years, as well as sending a number of people abroad for TMS treatment before it was approved here.
So, while it does seem risky to take a medication from overseas without a doctor's supervision, I also think it's worth bringing this sort of thing up with pdocs, to see if they're willing to work with you on it.
By the way, for anyone who has taken Tianepine, did it cause weight gain? And were you susceptible to weight gain on other drugs?
Thanks!
Posted by Quintal on June 22, 2007, at 13:35:55
In reply to Re: Ohh, I misread it. Sorry. :) » Fivefires, posted by Racer on June 22, 2007, at 12:47:26
I didn't notice any significant change in my weight while taking tianeptine, it seems to be fairly weight neutral. I've tended to gain quite a lot of weight on some meds, as much as 56lb accumulated after a few years of antidepressant and benzo use. The longest I've taken tianeptine was three months though.
My first pdoc supervised a trial of tianeptine because he'd never heard of it and was curious. One Irish lady living in New York contacted me through RemedyFind to say her pdoc was doing the same thing, so some pdocs definitely do trials of tianeptine. The idea of taking tianeptine without a pdoc's permission doesn't scare me because it behaves the same way whether a pdoc is watching or not, and I had no problems on my first trial. It's probably one of the most benign pharmaceutical antidepressants in psychiatry.
Q
Posted by maryhelen on June 23, 2007, at 16:20:04
In reply to Tianeptine, posted by Quintal on June 22, 2007, at 13:35:55
Could someone tell me what kind of a medication Taneptine is?
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