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Posted by Paulbwell on August 12, 2005, at 23:00:39
I know Adderaall is 75% dex, but there seems to be some differences.
Coments from users of both?
Cheers
Posted by med_empowered on August 13, 2005, at 1:41:17
In reply to Any real differences between Dexedrine and Adderal, posted by Paulbwell on August 12, 2005, at 23:00:39
Adderall has the "other" amphetamine in it...levoamphetamine, maybe? Anyway, "Adderall" was originally introduced to the market as "Obetrol," a diet drug, in the early 1960s (the 50s and 60s were the heyday of the RX amphetamines...thats when Dexamyl and other stuff really hit it big...its also when disastrous diet drugs like Preludin hit the scene). Anyway, I think the levoamphetamine is primarily effective at reducing appetite, providing energy, etc...its really the dexedrine part that makes adderall effective for ADD/ADHD. Its kind of similar to Biphetamine, the infamous "black beauty" pill of the 60s, which was also a double-amphetamine combo. Anyway, Obetrol was kind of popular..Andy Warhol loved it, apparently...after the market for amphetmine-based diet drugs hit the skids in the 70s, it lost a lot of popularity...the Adderall people apparently saw potential in it (at the time, Dexedrine was 2nd line ADD therapy and still used for depression), so the company bought the formula, developed the XR and *bam*! A recycled drug hit it big with psychiatrists everywhere. The biggest difference, from my experience, is that Dexedrine (and desoxyn) do reduce appetite and fatigue, etc...but not as much as Adderall. Plus, Adderall's cardiovascular effects somehow make me feel more "awake" than Dexedrine does, although I think dexedrine is a little bit cleaner (I mean, as clean as amphetamines can get). I think if you want fewer cardiovascular effects and don't want to "feel" the stimulant as much, Dexedrine would probably be a better call, but the difference is more pronounced with some people than with others. The problem is that, with all the mad marketing done for Adderall XR, few shrinks seem to want to RX Dexedrine anymore...alot of times, they're reluctant to even RX the Adderall tablets, which are available in generic.
Posted by rjlockhart98 on August 13, 2005, at 10:51:03
In reply to Re: Any real differences between Dexedrine and Add, posted by med_empowered on August 13, 2005, at 1:41:17
Well here i go
Adderall is more psychically stimulating, it causes more heart palpations, and vein dialations. It does have a psychostimulant effect, but not as strong as dexedrine compared in ratio's
Dexedrine is more mental stimulation.
Posted by alohashirt on August 13, 2005, at 22:02:58
In reply to Re: Any real differences between Dexedrine and Add, posted by rjlockhart98 on August 13, 2005, at 10:51:03
> Well here i go
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> Adderall is more psychically stimulating, it causes more heart palpations, and vein dialations. It does have a psychostimulant effect, but not as strong as dexedrine compared in ratio's
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> Dexedrine is more mental stimulation.That must be why Adderall makes my Blood pressure spike more than dexedrine does.
Posted by stan on August 14, 2005, at 10:55:09
In reply to Re: Any real differences between Dexedrine and Add, posted by alohashirt on August 13, 2005, at 22:02:58
i have add which is responsive to amphetamines -- i recently switched to adderall (regular, generic) from provigil (due to expense). it's nice that there is a wide variety of different tablet strengths with adderall and the tablets are scored well for splitting -- how is generic dexedrine supplied (different strengths, tablets vs. caps, etc.)? are the tabs scored as well? would someone mind giving me the same info for generic desoxyn? i'd also like to know what the duration of action is for the various types. are these the basic 'big three" amphetamine choices for add? desoxyn doesn't seem to get much attenion anymore.....is there a reason for this neglect?
is ritalin not classified as a amphetamine? does it behave much the same as the meds listed above?
has anyone tried cylert? i realize that there are liver warnings issued about it now, and its long-lasting effect might case insomnia, but it almost sounds like a "poor man's provigil" which might be ok -- plus it's available as a generic.
which add med seems to have the most positive impact on mood? my experience has been that the two things i've tried (provigil, adderall) correct my add symptoms but do nothing to improve mood. i suppose they're not really designed to, but if there's a parallel product that helps in that regard, i'd sure like to know about it. i'm fairly determoned at this point to stick with generics wherever possible, after the wallet-emptying experience with provigil.
i am just starting to research add drugs which is why i have so many questions......thanks for your attention,
stan
Posted by utopizen on August 14, 2005, at 16:07:06
In reply to Re: Dexedrine, Adderall, Ritalin, Desoxyn, Cylert, posted by stan on August 14, 2005, at 10:55:09
I wouldn't get obsessive over ADD drugs. I've been there, done that. I can explain to you that Desoxyn was patented on December 31, 1943, but how the heck does that help my ADD? Stop before you think it'll lead you anywhere, trust me.
I can answer all your questions, but it won't help you as much as you think it will. Stick to what somewhat works, accept it's not a cure, there never will be one, and all the rest of your problems need resolution with therapy and better lifestyle habits.
Cylert remains a drug sold generically, but was recently taken off the market in its brand name formulation because no docs ever bother to prescribe it for liability reasons. The few quacks that do can still give you one from a generic maker.
Desoxyn use to be sold (for a year) as a generic, until Able Labs went under a few months ago and all their drugs were recalled for "health concerns."
That's code for even if they were trying to produce hot dogs, their factories would be shut down due to uncleansiness (rat droppings, you name it).
ou can get it as a brand name. No, actually it's only spiked in interest since 2002 when it was purchased from Abbott by Ovation Pharmaceuticals for $40 million. Hence why it for the first time became a generic in '03.
I'm not answeing your other questions, because I need to do work, sorry. I am lazy, and need to stop distractions.
Posted by Richdawn on August 14, 2005, at 20:39:00
In reply to Any real differences between Dexedrine and Adderal, posted by Paulbwell on August 12, 2005, at 23:00:39
I have tried both Dexedrine and Adderall. The Dexedrine left me feeling alert and more social while the Adderall made me feel alert but it also intensified my anxiety (I often struggle with mild anxiety anyway). Both helped alleviate my ADD symptoms.
However my son tried both meds too and much preferred the Adderall. He said the Dexedrine did not help him with the ADD symptoms as much. So maybe it is an individual thing.
Good luck with your search. I think it is great to learn all you can about med options!
Richdawn
> I know Adderaall is 75% dex, but there seems to be some differences.
>
> Coments from users of both?
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> Cheers
Posted by Declan on August 17, 2005, at 7:34:55
In reply to Re: Dexedrine, Adderall, Ritalin, Desoxyn, Cylert, posted by utopizen on August 14, 2005, at 16:07:06
Cyalert/pemoline feels OK, fairly mild and civilised. (Pity about the liver thing) Better than Adrafinil anyway. My favourite stimulant was Preludin (phenmetrazine, I think). It seemed to suit without being too harsh.
Declan
Posted by ed_uk on August 17, 2005, at 9:02:47
In reply to Re: Dexedrine, Adderall, Ritalin, Desoxyn, Cylert, posted by Declan on August 17, 2005, at 7:34:55
Hi Declan,
Do you prefer Ritalin or Dexedrine?
~Ed
Posted by Declan on August 17, 2005, at 15:23:48
In reply to Re: Dexedrine, Adderall, Ritalin, Desoxyn, Cylert » Declan, posted by ed_uk on August 17, 2005, at 9:02:47
Hullo Ed
I like dex. Nice old fashioned immediate release dex. Sold OTC in Kathmandu for whatever in the 70s.
Declan
Posted by ed_uk on August 17, 2005, at 15:27:55
In reply to Re: Dexedrine, Adderall, Ritalin, Desoxyn, Cylert, posted by Declan on August 17, 2005, at 15:23:48
Hi Declan,
Have you tried Ritalin?
~ed
Posted by zeugma on August 17, 2005, at 16:38:18
In reply to Re: Dexedrine, Adderall, Ritalin, Desoxyn, Cylert, posted by Declan on August 17, 2005, at 7:34:55
Cyalert/pemoline feels OK, fairly mild and civilised. (Pity about the liver thing) >>
I've heard few complaints about Cylert from people who have used it. A true pity.
-z
Posted by Declan on August 17, 2005, at 17:46:24
In reply to Re: Dexedrine, Adderall, Ritalin, Desoxyn, Cylert » Declan, posted by ed_uk on August 17, 2005, at 15:27:55
Yeah I tried Ritalin when at uni. Good for moving purposefully about the library admiring the carpet.
At least it's short acting. That's why I've never taken speed much. It just lasts forever and I only really like the first bit.
Dexedrine being shorter acting is more useful than meth for this and that. Say 5 or 10mg for a social occasion in the evening. You can't do that with meth, it will still be working next morning.
Declan
Posted by ed_uk on August 18, 2005, at 9:41:03
In reply to Re: Dexedrine, Adderall, Ritalin, Desoxyn, Cylert, posted by Declan on August 17, 2005, at 17:46:24
Hi!
>Yeah I tried Ritalin when at uni. Good for moving purposefully about the library admiring the carpet.
LOL, but did it help you study?
~ed
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