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Posted by lil' jimi on April 1, 2003, at 10:56:10
I just posted this over at Social, but I realized that this is as med-related as anything else and I need ideas, help, suggestions ... so:
I am accepting the risk of betraying the confidence of these e-mailed messages I (and a few other of our posters) received from our Krissy P aka Kristen, but I am so worried that I felt I must ask for some support, perhaps even from our Dr. Bob. ... I would really appreciate any feedback ... I don't know what to do.
On Mon, 31 Mar 2003 15:37, Krissy P. e-mailed:
"I'm not doing so good, I have been crying for over and hour. It's no one else-it's me-all me and I'm better off dead and gone. I am going to lie down after self-medicating myself. I'm sorry, it has nothing to do with you, I'm not good at all."then in a second (Mon, 31 Mar 2003 16:12:20) e-mail Krissy P said:
"I'm going to bed and I hope I don't wake up"I have e-mailed her of course and I haven't heard anything ... maybe it's no big deal ... maybe I should ... what? ... panic?
Any ideas?
~ jim
Posted by Larry Hoover on April 1, 2003, at 11:07:16
In reply to Help! Concern for Kristen, posted by lil' jimi on April 1, 2003, at 10:56:10
> I just posted this over at Social, but I realized that this is as med-related as anything else and I need ideas, help, suggestions ... so:
>
> I am accepting the risk of betraying the confidence of these e-mailed messages I (and a few other of our posters) received from our Krissy P aka Kristen, but I am so worried that I felt I must ask for some support, perhaps even from our Dr. Bob. ... I would really appreciate any feedback ... I don't know what to do.
>
> On Mon, 31 Mar 2003 15:37, Krissy P. e-mailed:
> "I'm not doing so good, I have been crying for over and hour. It's no one else-it's me-all me and I'm better off dead and gone. I am going to lie down after self-medicating myself. I'm sorry, it has nothing to do with you, I'm not good at all."
>
> then in a second (Mon, 31 Mar 2003 16:12:20) e-mail Krissy P said:
> "I'm going to bed and I hope I don't wake up"
>
> I have e-mailed her of course and I haven't heard anything ... maybe it's no big deal ... maybe I should ... what? ... panic?
>
> Any ideas?
>
> ~ jimI've just forwarded your post to Dr. Bob's email address. I hope he's able to read it soon. If you can think of anything else to do, do it. If you have a live email address, contact her service provider.
Concerns about possible suicide attempts should always be taken seriously, IMHO. One of the reasons we are required to register is that our anonymity can be broken in an emergency.
I pray for her wellbeing.
Lar
Posted by lil' jimi on April 1, 2003, at 11:18:11
In reply to Re: Help! Concern for Kristen, posted by Larry Hoover on April 1, 2003, at 11:07:16
> > I just posted this over at Social, but I realized that this is as med-related as anything else and I need ideas, help, suggestions ... so:
> >
> > I am accepting the risk of betraying the confidence of these e-mailed messages I (and a few other of our posters) received from our Krissy P aka Kristen, but I am so worried that I felt I must ask for some support, perhaps even from our Dr. Bob. ... I would really appreciate any feedback ... I don't know what to do.
> >
> > On Mon, 31 Mar 2003 15:37, Krissy P. e-mailed:
> > "I'm not doing so good, I have been crying for over and hour. It's no one else-it's me-all me and I'm better off dead and gone. I am going to lie down after self-medicating myself. I'm sorry, it has nothing to do with you, I'm not good at all."
> >
> > then in a second (Mon, 31 Mar 2003 16:12:20) e-mail Krissy P said:
> > "I'm going to bed and I hope I don't wake up"
> >
> > I have e-mailed her of course and I haven't heard anything ... maybe it's no big deal ... maybe I should ... what? ... panic?
> >
> > Any ideas?
> >
> > ~ jim
>
> I've just forwarded your post to Dr. Bob's email address. I hope he's able to read it soon. If you can think of anything else to do, do it. If you have a live email address, contact her service provider.
>
> Concerns about possible suicide attempts should always be taken seriously, IMHO. One of the reasons we are required to register is that our anonymity can be broken in an emergency.
>
> I pray for her wellbeing.
>
> LarLar,
I must thank you for your wisdom, Thanks!
Here goes nothing: she posted this once here herself, so I'm not being totally indiscrete, but this is ( as you so rightly point out, thank you again!)... an emergency, so ...Nelsen, Kristen chaeli1990@hotmail.com
I don't know how to contact Hotmail.
~ jim
Posted by Larry Hoover on April 1, 2003, at 11:28:23
In reply to Re: Help! Concern for Kristen, posted by lil' jimi on April 1, 2003, at 11:18:11
> Lar,
> I must thank you for your wisdom, Thanks!
> Here goes nothing: she posted this once here herself, so I'm not being totally indiscrete, but this is ( as you so rightly point out, thank you again!)... an emergency, so ...
>
> Nelsen, Kristen chaeli1990@hotmail.comI have contacted hotmail with my concerns. Do you know where she lives? What city? More than that?
> I don't know how to contact Hotmail.
>
> ~ jim
Posted by lil' jimi on April 1, 2003, at 11:40:19
In reply to Re: Help! Concern for Kristen, posted by Larry Hoover on April 1, 2003, at 11:28:23
> > Lar,
> > I must thank you for your wisdom, Thanks!
> > Here goes nothing: she posted this once here herself, so I'm not being totally indiscrete, but this is ( as you so rightly point out, thank you again!)... an emergency, so ...
> >
> > Nelsen, Kristen chaeli1990@hotmail.com
>
> I have contacted hotmail with my concerns. Do you know where she lives? What city? More than that?
>No, I do not know anything else... (except that she is very kind .. . and funny.)
(Thanks again for your prudent valuable Focus... i needed it.) ~ jim
Posted by justyourlaugh on April 1, 2003, at 11:41:33
In reply to Re: Help! Concern for Kristen, posted by Larry Hoover on April 1, 2003, at 11:28:23
Posted by NikkiT2 on April 1, 2003, at 11:46:37
In reply to Re: Help! Concern for Kristen, posted by Larry Hoover on April 1, 2003, at 11:28:23
If you set your email to show full headers, you should then be able to get her IP address. From this you can search here
http://visualroute.visualware.com/
to get her isp.
Dr Bob should also be able to access this. This will, at the least, tell us her service provider. Can you email her message to Dr Bob with full headers on??
NIkki
Posted by lil' jimi on April 1, 2003, at 11:52:01
In reply to KRISSY IS OK!heard fom her today april1 (nm), posted by justyourlaugh on April 1, 2003, at 11:41:33
Posted by daizy on April 1, 2003, at 11:53:33
In reply to Help! Concern for Kristen, posted by lil' jimi on April 1, 2003, at 10:56:10
> I just posted this over at Social, but I realized that this is as med-related as anything else and I need ideas, help, suggestions ... so:
>
> I am accepting the risk of betraying the confidence of these e-mailed messages I (and a few other of our posters) received from our Krissy P aka Kristen, but I am so worried that I felt I must ask for some support, perhaps even from our Dr. Bob. ... I would really appreciate any feedback ... I don't know what to do.
>
> On Mon, 31 Mar 2003 15:37, Krissy P. e-mailed:
> "I'm not doing so good, I have been crying for over and hour. It's no one else-it's me-all me and I'm better off dead and gone. I am going to lie down after self-medicating myself. I'm sorry, it has nothing to do with you, I'm not good at all."
>
> then in a second (Mon, 31 Mar 2003 16:12:20) e-mail Krissy P said:
> "I'm going to bed and I hope I don't wake up"
>
> I have e-mailed her of course and I haven't heard anything ... maybe it's no big deal ... maybe I should ... what? ... panic?
>
> Any ideas?
>
> ~ jimDid you ever think that Kristen might not want her private business and emails broadcast on PB? I think its totally out of order to do something like that, If someone had done that to me I would feel very betrayed.
Posted by Larry Hoover on April 1, 2003, at 12:03:13
In reply to KRISSY IS OK!heard fom her today april1 (nm), posted by justyourlaugh on April 1, 2003, at 11:41:33
That's quite a relief. I'm glad. I hope you'll forgive me if I take the "OK" part with a grain of salt.
Lar
Posted by mrporter1 on April 1, 2003, at 12:13:40
In reply to Re: Help! Concern for Kristen, posted by daizy on April 1, 2003, at 11:53:33
In an emergency - all bets are off. It's about safety and keeping people cared for - especially if they can't care for themselves at that moment. The only thing those emails revealed is that Krissy was struggling and in trouble. That information would only be used to help her - which is what this board is all about. It was very brave of her to reach out and very brave of others to take action to make sure she's ok. I hope she's back on the board in a few days so we can continue to get her support and maybe give her a little of what she needs in this hard, hard time.
Posted by lil' jimi on April 1, 2003, at 12:14:26
In reply to Re: Help! Concern for Kristen, posted by daizy on April 1, 2003, at 11:53:33
> Did you ever think that Kristen might not want her private business and emails broadcast on PB? I think its totally out of order to do something like that, If someone had done that to me I would feel very betrayed.
>in fact, i was very concerned with that very issue, especially with making her feel i had betrayed her. So, yes i did think about it a lot ... and i decided that i would have to accept that risk, although she had posted her e-mail here once before ... but i had to believe it was the better part of valor to suffer her ire than to let her be in peril.
i can only hope her response is one of understanding that she presented a situation where some action must be taken. .. i pray she does understand.
what would you have suggested, instead?
~ jim
Posted by Larry Hoover on April 1, 2003, at 12:21:39
In reply to Re: Help! Concern for Kristen, posted by daizy on April 1, 2003, at 11:53:33
> Did you ever think that Kristen might not want her private business and emails broadcast on PB? I think its totally out of order to do something like that, If someone had done that to me I would feel very betrayed.
The very last thing on my mind as I reacted to the threat to her wellbeing was what others would think of me for acting to potentially prevent a tragedy. A misguided sense of loyalty could cost someone their life. Can you think of a worse kind of betrayal than that? What is the only legal reason a health-care professional can break a patient's absolute right to privacy? Whether a sense of betrayal is appropriate or not following such a breach of confidence, I can assure you that you will get over the sense of betrayal. But the alternative?
Posted by NikkiT2 on April 1, 2003, at 12:22:38
In reply to Re: Help! Concern for Kristen » daizy, posted by lil' jimi on April 1, 2003, at 12:14:26
jim,
You did exactly the right thing. *hugs* I back you on this all the way.
Its wonderful that she has someone who acres enough to try and help.. even if they are putting friendship on tghe line for it.
You're a good person
Nikki
Posted by beardedlady on April 1, 2003, at 12:54:01
In reply to Re: Help! Concern for Kristen » lil' jimi, posted by NikkiT2 on April 1, 2003, at 12:22:38
> You did exactly the right thing. *hugs* I back you on this all the way.
> Its wonderful that she has someone who acres enough to try and help.. even if they are putting friendship on tghe line for it.
> You're a good person
>
> NikkiI'm still a firm believer in the "cry for help." I know four people who attempted suicide and two additional folks who succeeded. The two who succeeded didn't tell a soul. The others are alive today--and happy about it--thanks to intervention from the friends they warned. (The teenager next door didn't warn anyone, but she turned her stereo on at top volume so her mom could hear it. Of course, she also attempted suicide with a bottle of Tylenol.)
beardy
beardy
Posted by justyourlaugh on April 1, 2003, at 13:21:07
In reply to I second that. » NikkiT2, posted by beardedlady on April 1, 2003, at 12:54:01
i let krissy know ..we are all very concerned..
hopefully she will read these posts and feel some
comfort in friends..."we love you krissy"
:)
peace
jyl
Posted by daizy on April 1, 2003, at 15:22:55
In reply to Re: Help! Concern for Kristen » daizy, posted by lil' jimi on April 1, 2003, at 12:14:26
>
> > Did you ever think that Kristen might not want her private business and emails broadcast on PB? I think its totally out of order to do something like that, If someone had done that to me I would feel very betrayed.
> >
>
> in fact, i was very concerned with that very issue, especially with making her feel i had betrayed her. So, yes i did think about it a lot ... and i decided that i would have to accept that risk, although she had posted her e-mail here once before ... but i had to believe it was the better part of valor to suffer her ire than to let her be in peril.
>
> i can only hope her response is one of understanding that she presented a situation where some action must be taken. .. i pray she does understand.
>
> what would you have suggested, instead?
>
> ~ jim
I apologise Jim for my harsh words. I just felt that if I was in a desperate situation, that seeing my private emails on PB might have made me feel worse, but I have Issues, and it wasnt me. You are a true friend Jim, you DID the right thing for her.
Posted by daizy on April 1, 2003, at 15:25:19
In reply to Re: Help! Concern for Kristen, posted by daizy on April 1, 2003, at 15:22:55
"One of the reasons we are required to register is that our anonymity can be broken in an emergency"
Is this true Dr Bob?
Posted by OddipusRex on April 1, 2003, at 17:09:02
In reply to I second that. » NikkiT2, posted by beardedlady on April 1, 2003, at 12:54:01
http://www.ecureme.com/emyhealth/data/Acetominophen_Overdose.aspEven without any symptoms, you need to seek immediate attention by contacting Poison Control, calling 911, or going to a hospital. Many individuals have few symptoms early on. Consequently, by the time symptoms develop, severe liver damage may occur, and even death.
I agree with you about suicide. Some people say that you can't stop people that are determined to do it but of course you can. Maybe not forever and maybe not by yourself but people rarely stay suicidal 24 hours a day forever.
I wasn't sure what you meant by the bottle of Tylenol remark but it is such an ugly way to die and it takes a long time. I thought I would put up the reference. I think there should be a warning printed on that stuff for people who only want to cry for help. I found a book on amazon about ways to commit suicide which included a section for people who only want to cry for help on how to make an impressive attempt without seriously damaging yourself! I found that terribly amusing yet practical at the time but no I'm not posting a link. Tylenol is not one of those ways. It can destroy a kid's liver if you don't get treatment early enough.I hope I didn't break the rules about not posting methods of suicide but I meant it as a way Not to commit suicide. I probably misinterpreted your remark too. No offence intended.
> I'm still a firm believer in the "cry for help." I know four people who attempted suicide and two additional folks who succeeded. The two who succeeded didn't tell a soul. The others are alive today--and happy about it--thanks to intervention from the friends they warned. (The teenager next door didn't warn anyone, but she turned her stereo on at top volume so her mom could hear it. Of course, she also attempted suicide with a bottle of Tylenol.)
>
Posted by Hollygirl on April 1, 2003, at 17:20:49
In reply to Tylenol ODs » beardedlady, posted by OddipusRex on April 1, 2003, at 17:09:02
I am so glad you posted this about Tylonel. My best friend's brother OD'd on Tylonel. Luckily, he started throwing up and was in the ER within 24 hours. But he still had to be hospitalized for 2 weeks and is now living with a messed up liver. Tylonel is a very scary thing to take too much of.
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> http://www.ecureme.com/emyhealth/data/Acetominophen_Overdose.asp
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> Even without any symptoms, you need to seek immediate attention by contacting Poison Control, calling 911, or going to a hospital. Many individuals have few symptoms early on. Consequently, by the time symptoms develop, severe liver damage may occur, and even death.
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> I agree with you about suicide. Some people say that you can't stop people that are determined to do it but of course you can. Maybe not forever and maybe not by yourself but people rarely stay suicidal 24 hours a day forever.
> I wasn't sure what you meant by the bottle of Tylenol remark but it is such an ugly way to die and it takes a long time. I thought I would put up the reference. I think there should be a warning printed on that stuff for people who only want to cry for help. I found a book on amazon about ways to commit suicide which included a section for people who only want to cry for help on how to make an impressive attempt without seriously damaging yourself! I found that terribly amusing yet practical at the time but no I'm not posting a link. Tylenol is not one of those ways. It can destroy a kid's liver if you don't get treatment early enough.
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> I hope I didn't break the rules about not posting methods of suicide but I meant it as a way Not to commit suicide. I probably misinterpreted your remark too. No offence intended.
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Posted by Dragonslayer on April 1, 2003, at 18:08:42
In reply to Tylenol ODs » beardedlady, posted by OddipusRex on April 1, 2003, at 17:09:02
>>> Some people say that you can't stop people that are determined to do it but of course you can. <<<<
That would be *sometimes* to the end of that sentence for those of us who still experience some guilt for not being able to prevent. If you've been in that position, you can relate.
Posted by OddipusRex on April 1, 2003, at 18:46:29
In reply to Re: Tylenol ODs, posted by Dragonslayer on April 1, 2003, at 18:08:42
Posted by Dragonslayer on April 1, 2003, at 19:09:13
In reply to that's what I meant of course (nm) » Dragonslayer, posted by OddipusRex on April 1, 2003, at 18:46:29
Posted by noa on April 1, 2003, at 19:27:57
In reply to Re: Dr Bob, posted by daizy on April 1, 2003, at 15:25:19
> "One of the reasons we are required to register is that our anonymity can be broken in an emergency"
>
Daizy, where is that quote from?
Posted by beardedlady on April 1, 2003, at 19:50:39
In reply to Tylenol ODs » beardedlady, posted by OddipusRex on April 1, 2003, at 17:09:02
> I wasn't sure what you meant by the bottle of Tylenol remarkWhat remark? I didn't make a remark. I simply said, "Of course, she also attempted suicide with a bottle of Tylenol." That's what she did. It takes a really long time to die from it, so there was an easier chance her mother would find her.
> I probably misinterpreted your remark too. No offence intended.
It seems to me you read a lot more into posts--at least my posts--than I put there. I don't take offense, but I do wonder about it.
beardy
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