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Posted by yona on July 22, 2000, at 11:36:01
hi there. i didn't get any response to my last post so i am posting again (after having read alot of archives).. still a question for me. the serzone, now maybe day 8? seems to make me a little more manic than normal. don't get me wrong i like the mania, gives me several creative ideas a day (only a few of which i have the time to take up on), but i am praying that it won't increase the longer i am on the serzone. i dropped the dose to 50mg 2x a day for a few days now hoping to keep this mania in check. but the questions are: can someone share some experience with this??? serzone, increased mania, how manic is/was too manic, etc. i take no other meds although i do self medicate with nicotine and tea. since serzone, tea has become much less important to me and nicotine much less enjoyable.probably a great time to quit, finally. anyways hope to hear from someone soon. yona
Posted by SLS on July 22, 2000, at 12:59:13
In reply to serzone, manic, posted by yona on July 22, 2000, at 11:36:01
Hi Yona,
I have no personal experience with Serzone (nefazodone) to share with you, but I just wanted to say hi. I'm sure one of our smarter and more experienced contributors will have something to tell you.
That you recognize mania and understand the potential for it to become serious is great. I would encourage you to do something about it as quickly as possible. Calling your doctor is probably the right thing to do. I doubt that simply reducing the dosage will help.
Perhaps it is time for a mood stabilizer.
Good luck.
- Scott
Posted by Janice on July 22, 2000, at 20:46:21
In reply to serzone, manic, posted by yona on July 22, 2000, at 11:36:01
hi yona,
my guess is you are in a potentially dangerous situation. I'm manic depressive and I would never take an anti-depressant without a mood stabilizer. If I were you I'd go to the hospital to get a stabilzer. When the manias get out of control (and I couldn't control mine) they aren't creative. I find I am most creative with mood stabilizers. The ideas still come, not as fast maybe, but I'm able to do things with them.you should be proud of yourself for only self-medicating with tea and nicotine.
Please take care of yourself, Janice
Posted by yona on July 23, 2000, at 12:44:28
In reply to Re: serzone, manic, posted by Janice on July 22, 2000, at 20:46:21
janice. thank you. though i was diagnosed years ago with major depressive disorder the pdoc did ask me 'do you think you are manic-depressive?" and me, wanting not to deal with that stigma said no, no, just depressed! (also did not want to be on lithium). in fact (if i am manic depressive) before meds the depression was so severe i didn't get to notice being manic. now that i have been reasonably not depressed (is that called normal?) for about 3 years i am noticing that perhaps this manic part of my personality (which i refer to as the creative voice in my head) may in fact not be 'the god' i always thought he was but mania. unfortunately at this point i love being manic, as long as i can actually manifest a percentage of the ideas that mr. manic sends my way, i am really resistant to stabilizing 'the voice'. you however did pick up on my fear, and now that i know there is some part of this that is real i will be extra careful in monitoring myself.
thanks for the post. yo
Posted by Iden on July 23, 2000, at 22:03:40
In reply to serzone, manic, posted by yona on July 22, 2000, at 11:36:01
>hi there. i didn't get any response to my last post so i am posting again (after having read alot of archives).. still a question for me. the serzone, now maybe day 8? seems to make me a little more manic than normal. ............... i dropped the dose to 50mg 2x a day for a few days now hoping to keep this mania in check. but the questions are: can someone share some experience with this???
**Hi again Yona. I have not had manic or hypomanic experiences -- well, I thought I hadn't. Now, I'm not sure. As I was tapering off Prozac and tapering on Serzone, I did have a very nice mood lift for a time. I became optimistic, looked forward to things, and became more productive and outward-going. I even started to paint my house on the outside and started painting the master bedroom on the inside among other things. I considered the possibility of a hypomanic episode while I was experiencing it so tried not to start too much stuff in case I went back down. It seemed to me that this is what life should be like. During this period, I was always rational and the things I undertook were things I wanted to do anyway. I did not start doing strange things or things that were not on my list of things to do. My need for sleep maybe reduced by one hour -- maybe down to 7 hours from 8. The book says, among other things, that need for sleep may be reduced to 3 hours per night during a manic or hypomanic episode. I did feel some "unusual" urge to talk and talked in social situations where I would normally not say much if anything. I surprised myself a number of times. I don't know if it was the Serzone alone or the Serzone + Prozac.
**For me, it started on about the third week of Serzone and lasted two weeks at most. Remember, that I started at 25 mg once a day and worked up slowly only adding 25 mg per day each dose increase. I am now at 100 mg 2x / day. After my two weeks of being up, I started down again and indeed had some not-so-good days. Now that I have reached 100 mg 2x / day and have been at this dose for 4 days, I am feeling somewhat better again. That was preceded by six days at 75 mg in the morning and 100 mg at night. After a week or two I'll add another 25 mg and keep going up to see at what dose I get good results -- if I do, or when side effects stop me from going higher. Right now, I consider Serzone promising.
**My going so low and slow is based on two things -- one is that I have been unusually sensitive to all prior antidepressants and two, it was suggested here that some people should increase at 25 mg per increase.
>serzone, increased mania, how manic is/was too manic, etc. i take no other meds although i do self medicate with nicotine and tea. since serzone, tea has become much less important to me and nicotine much less enjoyable.probably a great time to quit, finally. anyways hope to hear from someone soon. yona
**Yona, if you take a dip after the up period like I did, hang in there and consider slowly working your dose back up. This is your decision. I am not offering guidelines for you. Let us know how it goes.
Iden
Posted by yona on July 23, 2000, at 23:43:21
In reply to Re: serzone, manic, posted by Iden on July 23, 2000, at 22:03:40
thanks for sharing your experience here ident?? (forgot what you are calling yourself). anyways, it's been about 3 days at 50mg 2x day. feels pretty decent right now. not too manic,..pretty decent actually. sounds like you mighta got a bit manic in terms of painting the house and all that.. but gaud it sure is fun isn't, to do all this stuff you been wanting to do and then actually doing it? anyways, take good care (and come over and paint my house while your at it).. (kidding..:) yo
Posted by Iden on July 25, 2000, at 18:24:11
In reply to Re: serzone, manic, posted by yona on July 23, 2000, at 23:43:21
> thanks for sharing your experience here ident?? (forgot what you are calling yourself).
*Iden is my real first name. It is English in origin and used more often as a last name.
> anyways, it's been about 3 days at 50mg 2x day. feels pretty decent right now.
*Good. I was wondering whether you stopped taking Serzone or went to the doc for an opinion as some suggested. I was hoping you would continue for my own selfish reasons to see if your hypomania (probably not mania -- mania is more severe) would subside. It will be interesting to see what happens when you begin to slowly increase again. After my hypomanic period was over and I started moving up, the hypomania, or whatever it was did not return. Darn!!! I attend a weekly depression support group meeting locally and some there thought maybe I was actually more up to normal and not hypomanic / manic at all -- in comparison to the decades of dysthymia, it may have seemed hypomanic.
> not too manic,..pretty decent actually.
*Good.
> sounds like you mighta got a bit manic in terms of painting the house and all that..
*I do think so.
> but gaud it sure is fun isn't, to do all this stuff you been wanting to do and then actually doing it?
*Absolutely!!!!!!! It felt like I could actually get things done and life wouldn't be so bad after all.
> anyways, take good care (and come over and paint my house while your at it).. (kidding..:) yo
*My painting is continuing but at a slower pace -- and, no new projects for now.
*Iden
Posted by yona on July 25, 2000, at 21:29:31
In reply to Re: serzone, manic, posted by Iden on July 25, 2000, at 18:24:11
well at least i got your name straight now. sometimes when i have never heard a name before i have a very hard time remembering. anyways, don't know how many days i have been on the serzone..just counted, 13... 8 @ 100mg/day. i feel very good. the tears are welcome after such a long time of no crying. i think i will probably stay at this dose till i see me doc in august. we will see. anyways thanks for your help with my symphtoms. how are you doing with your change? have you noticed more crying, anger, emotions in general also?? i am thankfully down to working on 1 good idea right now.. hopefully i will see what it looks like in reality pretty soon.
take care. yo
Posted by jzp on July 26, 2000, at 3:56:10
In reply to Re: serzone, manic..iden, posted by yona on July 25, 2000, at 21:29:31
It's so helpful when a thread appears here that has
direct bearing on my own experience.I've also been working my way up to dose on Serzone
over the past couple weeks. I have been increasing
it 50mg every four or five days, with an ultimate
goal of 300mg. I just started 250mg today, and am
feeling pretty good. No major side effects, which
is wonderful, since SSRI's and Wellbutrin have given
me constant horrible stomachaches.However, I'm also a little concerned that I'm starting
to feel TOO good. Although I'm bipolar, I have been
in a pretty severe depression for about 18 months,
so it could just be that "normal" is just so alien
to me after such a long depression. My pdoc is
planning on starting me on a stabilizer once I have
stabilized on the Serzone, just in case, though.Still, it feels like I'm finally starting to see things
in color, after 18 months of looking at the world
through an icky gray haze. It's still kind of
precarious, but I'm definitely feeling better.
To be honest, it's kind of scary, just because it's
been so long.Speaking of long, this post is much longer than I
intended. It's very reassuring to see that other
people are going through a lot of the same thing
that I am.Oh, and on the caffeine issue: I've never been able
to handle much caffeine. Even one cup of coffee
makes me jittery and sleepless. Frustrating because
lack of energy and sleepiness are the two major
features of my depressions; it would be nice if caffeine
actually helped.Thanks for plowing through this long post.
-Jannette
Posted by Iden on July 26, 2000, at 11:26:45
In reply to Re: serzone, manic, posted by jzp on July 26, 2000, at 3:56:10
> It's so helpful when a thread appears here that has direct bearing on my own experience.
*I was hoping some others would jump in. Surely Yona and I aren't the only ones starting Serzone, and more particularly after an SSRI (Paxil for her, Prozac for me).
> I've also been working my way up to dose on Serzone over the past couple weeks. I have been increasing it 50mg every four or five days, with an ultimate goal of 300mg.
*Such dose increases would have been way too hard for me to tolerate. Starting at 25 mg once a day even hit me pretty hard. People are different. My doctor said that the usual adult dose is 300 to 600 mg per day and that I could approach the dose increases at my own pace. Some references say 200 to 600 mg per day. I have been at 100 mg 2x / day for a week and will stay here a while longer.
> I just started 250mg today, and am feeling pretty good. No major side effects, which is wonderful,
*It is indeed!! I had quite a bit of dizziness, wooziness, and grogginess for the first few weeks -- diminishing with time -- but still there some. I continue to have a somewhat dull pressure feeling in my head -- not real bad but there. You are getting off easy. Good for you.
>since SSRI's and Wellbutrin have given me constant horrible stomachaches.
*Zoloft caused me terrible abdominal cramps at about the time it was kicking in!!
>However, I'm also a little concerned that I'm starting to feel TOO good. Although I'm bipolar,
*I would think one with confirmed bipolar illness should be careful and increase slowly -- especially now that you are feeling a bit too good.
> I have been in a pretty severe depression for about 18 months, so it could just be that "normal" is just so alien to me after such a long depression.
*I understand. I am not all that sure what normal is either.
> My pdoc is planning on starting me on a stabilizer once I have stabilized on the Serzone, just in case, though.
*Sounds like he is aware of a possible hypomanic / manic upswing. You have to remain alert to manic symptoms too. For you, the questions are: Is it normality returning? Is it a temporary upswing like I had that resolved on its own? Is it a symptom of real mania / hypomania that may not resolve on its own?
> Still, it feels like I'm finally starting to see things in color,
*That makes sense to me. During periods when I have felt better over the years, I see things I wouldn't otherwise notice, colors seem brighter and more pleasing, and music (certain types) draws me in emotionally rather than seeming like an annoyance -- simply a series of notes and sounds.
> after 18 months of looking at the world through an icky gray haze. It's still kind of precarious,
*I understand. I never have the expectation that it will last. That way I am kind of braced for the downturn if and when it happens -- and, for me, it usually does. While I was on Prozac, it did keep me from periods of deeper depression but I usually didn't feel all that good. I hope this time Serzone does the trick.
> but I'm definitely feeling better. To be honest, it's kind of scary, just because it's been so long.
*Yes.
> Speaking of long, this post is much longer than I intended.
*That is a good sign -- well, unless it went for pages and pages without making sense. You are making sense. The last couple of days, I have felt a bit better too, thus my ability to respond in this detail and with some -- yes -- interest and enthusiasm.
> It's very reassuring to see that other people are going through a lot of the same thing that I am.
*I agree. I hope more jump in who are in the first few months of Serzone.
> Oh, and on the caffeine issue: I've never been able to handle much caffeine. Even one cup of coffee
makes me jittery and sleepless. Frustrating because lack of energy and sleepiness are the two major
features of my depressions; it would be nice if caffeine actually helped.*I know. I could use some caffeine with Prozac but clearly not with Serzone.
>Thanks for plowing through this long post.
-Jannette
I enjoyed it.
Iden
Posted by jzp on July 26, 2000, at 21:34:12
In reply to Re: serzone, manic, posted by Iden on July 26, 2000, at 11:26:45
Thanks for your response, Iden. I just can't
express how helpful/reassuring it is to hear from
people who are going through this.I don't _think_ that I am in danger of "flipping"
into hypomanic mode (I've never been truly manic),
at least not just yet. I think that someone (Yona?)
somewhere mentioned that his/her pdoc said that you
should really be concerned when you start noticing
major impulsivity and drastically decreased sleep,
neither of which are problems for me right now. I
think that it really is just that I have been so
very down for so very long that it's just weird to
be approaching "well" again.It's especially weird because I am going through a
break-up right now. My live-in boyfriend of 2 and
a half years and I are splitting up, which means that
in the next several weeks I have to deal with finding
a new place and a job, and with moving from San Diego to
Tucson. Oddly enough, I seem to be handling it ok. I mean,
it's not like I'm like "la la la, break-up schmeak-up,"
but it hasn't plunged me into total paralyzing despair
either. I have just been looking at apartment and
job listings and getting quotes from U-Haul, etc.
In short, I've pretty much been doing what needs to
get done, for the first time in 18 months. I guess
what I'm saying is that I feel like my response is
appropriate to the situation, and that I'm not just
blowing it off, which is what I would do if I were
actually hypomanic.That said, I'm still keeping a close eye on myself.
Oh, and about side effects-- since I increased to
250mg, I have noticed a little weird pressure/light-
headed feeling off and on, and some days I have felt
like I couldn't keep my eyes open, but when I try to
actually go to sleep, I can't fall asleep. Nothing
major. Just mildly annoying.Take care,
Jannette
Posted by yona on July 27, 2000, at 6:14:18
In reply to Re: serzone, manic (not yet at least), posted by jzp on July 26, 2000, at 21:34:12
well a few more notes from me on the serzone thang. after the throwing up and dizziness went away, and then the manic thang going away i am now feeling a bit scared because life has become very surreal. i don't quite know how to describe this feeling... but last night i asked a friend of mine to babysit me for a few days because i keep thinking that i am going to do something totally out of the ordinary and no one else will notice. i too recently broke it off with a loved one. she was the person i had been interacting with most in life and whom i thought knew me best in a certain way. then all of a sudden this whole new world opens up (perceptually) and i have no one (that) familiar with me to 'bounce off of'... it just makes me feel as if i am losing my grounding... that somehow i will completely abandon where it was i was going and begin to become someone else. anyways, it would be most helpful if someone out there had some comments. when i went on paxil it really didn't seem to be that difficult. ie: though i felt much better i still had familiarity with myself. now doing the serzone it feels like i am taking a drug to alter my chemistry and the side effect is i have such an odd and new personality i am not sure if it's me.
hope your break up goes well. that you start a new life and that it makes you happy. yo
Posted by Iden on July 27, 2000, at 12:21:55
In reply to Re: serzone, manic (not yet at least), posted by jzp on July 26, 2000, at 21:34:12
[ Jannette begins ]
> ............. I don't _think_ that I am in danger of "flipping" into hypomanic mode (I've never been truly manic), at least not just yet.
*Good.
> I think that someone ......... said that you should really be concerned when you start noticing
major impulsivity and drastically decreased sleep, neither of which are problems for me right now.*Yes!
> I think that it really is just that I have been so very down for so very long that it's just weird to
be approaching "well" again.*Yes.
> It's especially weird because I am going through a break-up right now. My live-in boyfriend of 2 and
a half years and I are splitting up, which means that in the next several weeks I have to deal with finding a new place and a job, and with moving from San Diego to Tucson. Oddly enough, I seem to be handling it ok.*For most people, these are all serious life changes. Any one of these can trigger depression in vulnerable people.
> I mean, it's not like I'm like "la la la, break-up schmeak-up,"but it hasn't plunged me into total paralyzing despair either. I have just been looking at apartment and job listings and getting quotes from U-Haul, etc.
*That's great. Even small things can be a hassle when depressed but when feeling better, I find that I just attend to them and then seek the next thing to be done. When down, I just feel that I can never ever catch up on all that needs to be done and tend to have the belief that life will always be that way. It is a belief at that time that there is no way out and that it won't change. When one feels that there is no way out, that adds to depression. I try to remind myself that what I am feeling at any particular moment isn't necessarily how I will feel long term, or the next day, or the next week.
> In short, I've pretty much been doing what needs to get done, for the first time in 18 months.
*That's very very good.
> I guess what I'm saying is that I feel like my response is appropriate to the situation, and that I'm not just blowing it off, which is what I would do if I were actually hypomanic. That said, I'm still keeping a close eye on myself.
*Good.
> Oh, and about side effects-- since I increased to 250mg, I have noticed a little weird pressure/light-
headed feeling off and on,*I get the pressure in my head feeling and slightly woozy feeling most all the time. It is a small price to pay if it continues AND Serzone really kicks in. I just finished 7 days of 100 mg and 100 mg and this morning went up to 125 mg and may do that twice a day for another week or so. Started Serzone 72 days ago. I will continue upward until I feel reasonably good or until the side effects are just too much for me and don't improve with time.
> and some days I have felt like I couldn't keep my eyes open,
*I get some of that. Yesterday was above average in comparison to the previous week and I felt more optimistic and productive. Today I feel kinda sick and dull and more of that head pressure feeling. It's really a drag. I can't account for yesterday and today by diet, sleep, exercise, or the external environment. Maybe, and hopefully, I am just getting closer to a dose that will really do something beneficial.
> but when I try to actually go to sleep, I can't fall asleep. Nothing major. Just mildly annoying.
> Take care,
> Jannette*Sorry you are having that problem. Before Prozac I spent long periods of being unable to fall asleep and had early awakening. For me, Prozac fixed that. Thankfully, now on Serzone, my good sleep continues and I have involved, detailed, entertaining dreams.
Iden
Posted by Iden on July 27, 2000, at 12:34:14
In reply to Re: serzone, manic (not yet at least), posted by yona on July 27, 2000, at 6:14:18
[ Yona starts ]
> .............. after the throwing up and dizziness went away, and then the manic thang going away i am now feeling a bit scared because life has become very surreal. ............... then all of a sudden this whole new world opens up (perceptually) and i have no one (that) familiar with me to 'bounce off of'... it just makes me feel as if i am losing my grounding... that somehow i will completely abandon where it was i was going and begin to become someone else. .................... yo
*Ok, this is not something I am experiencing on Serzone -- well, one evening I did have some unusual and scary thoughts but that was it. I still feel fairly grounded but not always a happy camper due to either depression or side effects. I hope someone else will respond to what you are experiencing.
Iden
Posted by jzp on July 27, 2000, at 17:33:55
In reply to Re: serzone, surreal feeling, posted by Iden on July 27, 2000, at 12:34:14
>
> .............. after the throwing up and dizziness went away, and then the manic thang going away i am now feeling a bit scared because life has become very surreal. ............... then all of a sudden this whole new world opens up (perceptually) and i have no one (that) familiar with me to 'bounce off of'... it just makes me feel as if i am losing my grounding... that somehow i will completely abandon where it was i was going and begin to become someone else. .................... yo
>Hi again,
While I have definitely not experienced the physical or weird-personality-feeling side effects, I do understand the feeling that you have sort of lost your compass. While I don't want to discount in any way the importance of having someone close to you who can tell if things are starting to go haywire (especially when you are trying to adjust to a new medicine), I have noticed that my (ex)boyfriend has kind of gotten to the point where it's almost like he believes that I really am the person that I appear to be when I'm depressed. I mean, it's understandable, considering that I was depressed for about 20-22 months out of the 30 we were together. (I mean, I know it's not like the end of a 20-year marriage, but I'm only 24 and it's the longest, biggest relationship I've had.) Anyway, I guess what I'm saying, is that no matter how well you think someone knows you, it's conceivable that your "compass" is skewed, just from prolonged exposure to your depressed self. (Obviously, I know nothing about your relationship, yona, so I'm speaking strictly from my own experience here.)And as for the surreal feeling-- I know that it's really common for people with depression to start seeing their depressed self as their "real" self. I know I do-- that's why it's so much easier for me to identify when I'm going into hypomanic mode-- it doesn't feel like "me." Anyway, do you think it's something like that, or is it a much weirder feeling?
Anyway, I hope that you start to settle in to this soon. How long have you been on the Serzone?
Take care,
Jannette
Posted by jzp on July 27, 2000, at 17:54:42
In reply to Re: serzone, manic (not yet at least), posted by Iden on July 27, 2000, at 12:21:55
(responding to Iden's dialogue-type response)
> *For most people, [break-ups, moves] are all serious life changes. Any one of these can trigger depression in vulnerable people.
I guess I'm also just kind of relieved. It's been heading this direction for quite a long time. I just wasn't up to dealing with what needed to be done. Also, it's not a nasty and vituperative break-up. It's more like "huh, somehow we ended up just friends. let's stop trying to squish our friendship into this romantic mold, because it's jut not going to fit." So we're actually getting along better than we were before we made the fateful decision. My major problem is that I have been unemployed for the better part of the last year, and have no money, so I have to grovel to my parents for enough funds to do the move. At least Tucson is a very cheap place to live.
> *........Even small things can be a hassle when depressed but when feeling better, I find that I just attend to them and then seek the next thing to be done. When down, I just feel that I can never ever catch up on all that needs to be done and tend to have the belief that life will always be that way. It is a belief at that time that there is no way out and that it won't change. When one feels that there is no way out, that adds to depression. I try to remind myself that what I am feeling at any particular moment isn't necessarily how I will feel long term, or the next day, or the next week.I can so relate to this. Even now, it's hard to get out of that mode of thinking. It's like cleaning the house grew to be such a monumental task in my mind when I was still really depressed, that even now that I have more energy, it's still sort of daunting. I guess that probably also has to do with the fact that I'm better than I was, but not all better. How are you doing with this now?
> *I get the pressure in my head feeling and slightly woozy feeling most all the time. It is a small price to pay if it continues AND Serzone really kicks in. I just finished 7 days of 100 mg and 100 mg and this morning went up to 125 mg and may do that twice a day for another week or so. Started Serzone 72 days ago. I will continue upward until I feel reasonably good or until the side effects are just too much for me and don't improve with time.How is the increased dose working for you? I have to say that I'm terrible at identifying side effects-- I tend to think that I'm making them up. And the information they give you about the drug seems to have very little bearing on the actual experience of being on it. I guess it's just that everyone is affected in such different ways.
Oh, and the sleep thing. It's just that I've been having a hard time falling asleep-- sort of that sensation of the hamster in my head running faster and faster on his little wheel, and then dropping from exhaustion. Once I'm asleep, I'm fine. And I do seem to have had slightly more vivid dreams lately, which is kind of nice.-Jannette
Posted by yona on July 28, 2000, at 17:06:49
In reply to Re: serzone, manic (not yet at least), posted by jzp on July 27, 2000, at 17:54:42
hi janette. sorry i didn't get to respond for a few days... the browser was done on my machine here. sounds like you are doing pretty well.. i mean dealing with a tough thang.
i am still pretty out there although not like i was (now that i have identified it). however if this pdoc calls me back i will have an appointment soon to deal with this stuff. i am not sure serzone is the right thang for me. i tried 50mg/ 3x yesterday and today my stomach was queasy, most of the day. don't like this. i never had to deal with it on paxil why should i on serzone. i guess i am a little pissy with myself. thought i could do this with just a gdoc but these chemicals/drugs (read:antidepressants) are so powerful i will think before i jump in alone again.
thanks for sharing your experiences.. gives me a bit of a reality check. instead of depending on my most recent ex, who seem to view me mostly through her needs i asked a good long term friend of mine to just call me everyday and check in. it has been helpful. makes me a little less scared that if i go insane on these weird drugs that at least someone will be around to help me out of trouble.
anyways, nap time. keep up your good energy. glad to hear your doing good. yo
Posted by jzp on July 28, 2000, at 17:14:48
In reply to Re: serzone, manic (not yet at least), posted by yona on July 28, 2000, at 17:06:49
Hi yona,
One thing that maybe supports the idea that Serzone is not your ideal. I took Paxil for a while and it was not a good match for me AT ALL. There may be something to that.
I'm glad you have enlisted the help of a friend. I think that will help you in a lot of ways.Take care,
Jannette
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