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Posted by Californian on April 18, 2000, at 2:32:20
Mental health care professionals should know that
there are many, many mind-control victems out there
and they are not all paranoids. Check out site below.
It is a proven, known fact that mind-control technology
has been around for years. The Europeans are up in
arms about it and even a Professor at the U.S. Army
War College says that we need to have discussions about
the subject."Non lethal weapons" can put voices or sounds into your
head or in the space around you and they have the
technology to know what you are seeing or thinking.Please check out site below:
http://morethanconquerors.simplenet.com/MCF/Recently, an official at the NSA tried to expose this
and was arrested. President Clinton issues a President-
ial directive on using human subject for research or
as guina pigs, the timing of this was no accident.This is no joke!
Posted by Mark H. on April 18, 2000, at 21:05:20
In reply to Mind-control victems actually exist! , posted by Californian on April 18, 2000, at 2:32:20
I'm struggling with how to respond to this interesting referral to the "more than survivors" site, and its sub-site, the "mind control forum," which seem to exist to network, indulge and reinforce the delusions of individuals who are profoundly psychotic yet who are able to discuss their experiences with considerable lucidity and draw conclusions from those experiences which are apparently accepted as reasonable by fellow participants.
For the moment, at least, I assume yours was not a cynical or humorous referral, which suggests that you, too, may be one of the victims to which you refer.
If such is the case, what is the appropriate support to offer you? Is it helpful to attempt to impose a majority opinion of reality on you, in order that you might take medicine that will make your world seem more like ours? That seems to be the prevailing belief today.
After spending some time reading the material you pointed to, I believe Mr. Ed Light, for instance, is sincere about claims of being bombarded with mind-control beams by laser-planes that are part of a top-secret US military project based in either North Dakota or Dade County, Florida, which exists primarily to control his mind, shrink his brain and otherwise hurt him, because he was opposed to the war in Viet Nam.
I can appreciate how distressing it must be to see dirty fog around airplanes that say, "Bust me! I'm FBI" and to have provocateurs appear almost daily in the guise of ordinary people who are themselves unknowingly mind-controlled.
The existence of a network of people sharing similar experiences and a common vocabulary for various phenomena that most people do not perceive or experience is not unique (here we are at Psycho-Babble, after all).
Most people have only the most superficial understanding, if any at all, of depression, obsessive-compulsive syndromes, severe anxiety, attention-deficit or any of the other disorders that we discuss among ourselves with a sense of knowing and even authority, deriving considerable comfort from our shared observations.
What if our diseases were not only as comparatively rare as florid schizophrenia but also caused us to have similar delusions, of which others -- especially our health care providers -- felt obliged to disabuse us? Would we consider such arguments supportive or not?
The Buddhist belief is that our "normal" existence is a dream, a samsaric illusion from which we can ultimately awaken and be free. The path of the Boddhisattva is to help all beings eventually waken from this dream.
The difference between the average person living in a city and working in a stressful but basically meaningless job, commuting home in an expensive and wasteful automobile to a "neighborhood" of strangers in order to huddle with a couple of family members in a dwelling separate and safeguarded from anyone else, eating food from a store and watching electronic images of violence and heightened emotional drama driven by commercialism as "family actitivities," falling into bed exhausted only to start the whole thing over the next day -- and a floridly delusional paranoid psychotic living in a fantasy world created by an organically diseased brain and involving vast conspiracies of secret, high-placed people and machines that exist solely for the purpose of making things difficult for a tiny handful of economically dysfunctional individuals -- is small indeed, we are told, to those who have in fact awakened.
So what is the correct approach? What will help you? Would you like to be validated -- in which case, you may only find genuine support on that other forum -- or do you want others, who suffer in their own ways, to talk you out of your fears, because we don't share or experience them?
I don't know what to do except to wish you well.
Mark H.
Posted by boB on April 19, 2000, at 21:06:14
In reply to Re: Mind-control victems actually exist! , posted by Mark H. on April 18, 2000, at 21:05:20
Being at once rigorously open minded and viscously skeptical (and a likely candidate for an unscrupulous diagnosis of split personality disorder, complete with pseudonyms) the mind control site left me scratching my head.
I am astounded that a senior national medical officer would say that trained mind control agents, selected from prison populations, are already “in every apartment block.”
But there may be a shadow of truth there .... Cuz .... Bos .... Playa .... You see, my community “doesn’t have a gang problem.” Gang activity is supposed to be a secret, kept secret ostensibly for the public safey.
The site was lacking in precise details of how this mind control is supposed to work. Many of the suggested methods have been the subject of speculation and experimentation, some of it no doubt secret. (Operation artichoke?). The authors speculate on possible methods then say with unqualified authority, it is being done. That seems to me to be a mind control tactic in itself: one that offers authoritarian answers to suggestible individuals.
There are other conclusions that can be drawn, however, than the conclusion that the site is either the product of a delusional mind, or that the methods discussed are entirely real.
There can be no doubt that mind control is practiced in open all day every day in most cultures. Our entire system of language is a meta-type of mind control, and the subset of language called advertising is an overt, studied method of mind control. The study of influence goes back at least a century. Techniques of persuasion are informed by science and applied in the market and in the political arena. Even the pledge of allegiance, practiced in grade schools, is a form of mind control.
I am skeptical at people who jump at every opportunity to label speculation about mind control “delusion” and “conspiracy theories.” I have heard there are covert intelligence community “assets” in positions of influence at most major universities. Each “asset” serves narrow functions, while performing their regular job they quietly exert influence, and gather information for secret intelligence interests.
There are long-standing alliances of families and wealthy social classes who are interested in maintaining their power. The techniques they use might not immediately be recognized as mind control. The perpetuation of aggression, the spread of sociopathic behavior, the fueling of material desire can all serve to keep one class down and another on top. These things are maintained by subconscious beliefs - convictions - that serve to maintain the balance of power and wealth.
I have to repress a gag reflex when I contemplate how academies study the techniques of social control, in social science departments, in anthropology departments, in social psychology, political science, and media schools, yet the graduates of these same academies condemn less educated people who speculate about the methods of mind control.
Well, the preceding off-hand babble is intended as a preface to my comment that there is a battle being waged for the minds of mankind.
Here is my thesis ... my April 19, 2000 thesis posted from somewhere in the midwest I will not name out of respect to the families of the deceased, but that anyone at ECHELON or the University of Chicago with enough resources to read my ISP number can readily identify.
Sites such as the one mentioned above might be examples of the tactic of provocation. By creating bogus and implausible models of how mind control works, those uninformed individuals who accept the model will appear deluded. But instead, they are simply mislead students of a malicious teacher.
Consider right-wing extremism. It is driven in large part by factions within the military, political and intelligence communities. How did the militias of the 1990s gain prominence and recognition? The were created when Pres. Reagan, under his post Vietnam total force doctrine, required each state to compile a ConPlan for a State Defense Force. (Check it out - ask your state adjutant general) The State Defense Forces’ sworn cadres in Idaho cross-pollinated with the Aryan groups there; in Texas they removed their state approved insignia and became a private militia that chased Vietnamese fishing boats around the Gulf of Mexico and conducted ad-hoc border patrols; in the Carolinas these private citizens, sworn in by their governor, bought armored vehicles; in Michigan they revived a tradition from the labor wars of the early 20th century when state militias had moved in to reopen auto plants. The private militias spawned by the state defense forces considered themselves, not to be the anti-government forces the press made them out to be in 1995, but rather as training organizations preparing the nations men of the constitutionally and statutorily recognized unorganized militias. The new quasi-private militias were goaded on by the proprietary intelligence community asset - Soldier of Fortune magazine, as well as by a growing computer based network.
Maybe the authors of Californian’s web site really believe what they say, but somewhere behind the scenes someone is quietly encouraging them, steering them, providing them with resources, ideas and contacts. If you study, as occasionally I have, the literature of political provocation, you might agree that agitators work from the back of a crowd, inciting the more gullible and excitable front ranks, while they themselves are ready to disappear around the corner when the teargas and bullets start to fly.
Examples of provocation at work:
• Former Green Beret Randy Weaver, entrapped into selling a sawed-off shotgun to ATF agents who wanted to coerce him to infiltrate an Idaho racist group.
• ATF agents holding annual Good-Ole-Boy rallies in Alabama, where female agents were raped, black agents excluded and racial invectives openly traded.
• The Klan, in Greensbourough, North Carolina, infiltrated by a federal agents who, according to court records, provoked the brazen mid-day murder of four communist activists at a demonstration.
• An Egyptian army officer and long time CIA asset providing technical assistance for the World Trade Tow....wait, I won’t even go there - I want to use examples we can all agree on without too much incredulity. Lets try:
• The Politics of Heroin in South East Asia
• The Ollie North guns-for-drugs networks supporting the Contra’s terrorist army.Infiltration and provocation are the stock in trade of PSYCHOLOGICAL WARFARE.
So I have no trouble believing that sites such as the mind control site we see mentioned above might be a red herring, inspired, produced or promoted by parties who would rather the readers appear deluded less they start to think for themselves and learn how to resist real mind control tactics.
Well, I don’t go around talking about implants in my butt, but I have seen and held some injectable subcutaneous transponders used to identify expensive livestock. And last time I saw a sleek black NOTAR helicopter, I followed it to the airport and identified the pilot as a local merchant. But I am pretty well aware that the DEA is flying some unmarked black surveillance choppers based in Kentucky and I have seen some larger military birds doing all-day, high-altitude patterns over mid-western towns. . Tracking cocaine traffic, I suppose. That and meth. Does that make me deluded?
Hey, I read a great book by Greg Bear, a wonderful speculative science fiction writer, in which psychological data was collected and tracked in a mega-computer center. Hmm. Interesting concept. I am neither paranoid or deluded, I am curious.
Posted by Cam W. on April 19, 2000, at 23:31:59
In reply to April 19, 2000 – Re: Mind control victims exist! , posted by boB on April 19, 2000, at 21:06:14
Cali - I really tried hard not to respond to this thread, but....
I have a problem with the picture of the guy who recently had one of these mind control devices removed from (presumably) his brain. I find it hard to believe that brain surgery was done with a horizontal incision, rather than a flap to expose the skull. Pulling away the flap allows neurosurgeons to drill holes to be able to cut away a piece of skull to remove the offending device.
I also have a problem with the sterile technique used in the operation. Not only did the neurosurgeon (or his/her prep team) not shave away the hair in the area being operated on, they did not even cut his bangs.
Another thing I would like to point out is the size of the sutures used to close the incision. Facial lacerations are closed using small stitches that are close together to minimize scarring and infection. Also, if you look closely at the incision you will notice gaps where there is no incision (granted, it could be the poor quality of the scanned picture).
One last thing, the incision and sutures are a lot darker than the rest of the picture, as if they were drawn on.
The other pictures profiled do not show enough to be able to say where in the brain (if at all) these devices are situated. This fact does not help your cause at all. It looks as if the person who posted these pictures did not want to show the whole MRI, for some reason. Also, just how are these rings supposed to work. Are they transponders or receivers? What is their energy source?
I may be wrong in my observations, but this is what I see. Sincerely - Cam W.
Posted by Mark H. on April 20, 2000, at 0:26:19
In reply to April 19, 2000 – Re: Mind control victims exist! , posted by boB on April 19, 2000, at 21:06:14
boB has not only become a friend through this site but also something of an alter-ego for me, and a good one at that. He continuously challenges me to think outside of the box. He often waits until I have stretched as far as I think I can, and then he shows me with tact and intelligence and humor just how rigid I still am. I appreciate that. At a much younger age, I might have considered him an antagonist instead of a friend -- but today I treasure his thoughtful comments, even when they are critical of my thinking and beliefs. Thanks, boB.
(Yes, we really are two different people, although one of the most beautiful things boB once suggested to me was that when I am bitterly self-critical and it is manifesting as cynicism towards unseen potential, he rushes in like another part of me to challenge the self-hatred and trap-like judgment that goes with it. He never responds as I think he'll respond -- if I could see it coming, I would already have addressed it in what I post. He always pushes me, gently, firmly, to consider expanding further.)
Posted by ƒoB on April 20, 2000, at 2:03:40
In reply to Are Mark H. and boB Really Two Different People?, posted by Mark H. on April 20, 2000, at 0:26:19
Are we all one, or is "all is one" just a motto for the nationwide "Crips" street and prison gang, or perhaps just a logo from Doctor Bronor's soap bottles?
Are we individuals or parts of a collective?
I really don't know¡
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