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Posted by Okpolosi on May 24, 2003, at 6:36:06
In reply to Re: Lexapro and Nausea, posted by 2beornot2benuts on May 23, 2003, at 20:06:15
> Hello again, I'm in the middle of a sh*tstorm of sideffects (nausea,wicked headache,dizziness,crying uncontrollably,no appetite, and worst of all suicidal thoughts) my pdoc says, "wait it out, it should pass". I get the feeling he doesn't care, or take me seriously. Time to shop for a new pdoc, he's my 4th. Thanks for letting me vent, Happy Memorial Day Weekend To All...
Please deffinitely talk to us, talk to family, talk to someone, to help you through this. Banish those "other thoughts" and think of good things.....we don't want anything to happen to you.
As for your side effects...BEEN THERE!!! I had a pretty bad time of it with just about every SE that's listed for Lexapro, and the first 3 weeks were HELL!!! But I managed to get through it with a lot of help from people here. It took 9 weeks before I felt "better" (meaning I could tell Lex was finally working). And it has made such a difference, as you can probably tell from my posts to lil' jimi in particular. So I kind of agree w/pdoc that you should give it some more time.
We are all here for you and willing to listen and help in any way we can.
Posted by Okpolosi on May 24, 2003, at 7:14:12
In reply to Re: lil jimi and Okpolosi: rapport!! » Okpolosi, posted by lil' jimi on May 23, 2003, at 21:16:08
HEY lil' jimi:
> > > > I hope this will last.....We're all doing SOOOO GREAT....when is the other shoe going to fall???
By "all" I guess I mean you, blkvettes, and myself?? I really hope our "up-beat" posts are and inspiration and NOT a "downer" for those who struggle still.
> > > hadn't thought about "the other shoe falling" .... yet!
> > > should we put the shout out to the long(er) time lex user and see if there's any reason to fear any "poop out" ?My BIGGEST fear....it's just temporary and I'll sink back into the pit when I get "used" to the Lex.
> > > i love your idea of our lexapro cheer: "Give a 'L'! .... Give me a 'E'! ... " Nah! gotta do better than that ...
> > >
> > > (a thought: besides the cheer; how about a song, too? say "the anti-depression blues"? HA!)!
> > > (say it hasn't already been done!) (!)
> >
The Blues...how fitting.....I'm sure there are a bunch of songs out there that would work quite well!> > > "nurse! ...another cup o' java!"
>
> > Java Junkie here...pass a pitcher!!!
> >
>
AAAAAHHHHHH!!!! CAFE!!!! I can always count on YOU to make me feel GOOD!!!!!!!> i bought the bargain refill mug from my close-to-work coffee place ... . i knew it was big .... but when i found out that it holds 34 oz. i realized it's more than a QUART !!! .... i really LIKE coffee.
>
A true Java Junkie!!!! What would we do without it???
> > I just know this can NOT last, I was not meant to be doing this, and I thought I was a different person...SERIOUSLY!!
> >
> you mean feeling well can not last? .... no real cause to be so pessimistic now .... is there?
>
Yes, I am afraid it will not last. Things are going somewhat better now, have no real reason to be down, have a good paying job, getting along w/hubby (no fights in months), health is good....> what do we think you were meant to be doing?.... what kind of a different person? .... i would not doubt your sincerity .... am i a different person too then ?
>
Different person - I have always had trouble here....I don't deserve to be happy, I SHOULD be miserable, I am not used to feeling this way, and keep expecting to go back.> > So many of us have had such a hard time of it, I feel guilty for being in a good mood.
> >
>
> i AM So with you on this one..!
> .... sometimes i ... feel like i stole the secret of joy from our suffering brethrern pobrecitos
>
> .... then, at other times, i feel i owe it, we owe ... to ourselves, to them .... to feel as good as we can.
> we are supposed to recover aren't we?
> so shouldn't we feel good about? ... or at least shouldn't we try ?
>
YES WE SHOULD....I keep telling myself that over and over, but it doesn't want to sink in. Seems the better I feel the worse it gets....feel bad for others and that I still don't DESERVE it.> > JUST HOPE IT IS INFECTIOUS AND I CAN GIVE IT TO ALL OF YOU!!!
>
> now that's the spirit!! ... that's Your spirit!!!
> .... and maybe lexapro has helped to allow you to let it shine through here ...... now
>
> am i too optimistic for wanting to believe .... that it might be real ?
>
> as always, you have inspired me .... infected me....
>
> TAKE CARE ! !! !! !! ! ! !!!!
> ~ jimMost DEFFINITELY....it's got to be the Lexapro.....have been miserable too long.... and now I'm not!!!
It's the holiday weekend and I have to work 2 10hr. days but I'm loving life and have a bounce in my step and I just want everyone to be as HAPPY!!!!
Thanks again for ALL your support, jim, and lets all have a GREAT DAY!!
Posted by Okpolosi on May 24, 2003, at 8:08:36
In reply to Re: lil jimi and Okpolosi: rapport!! » lil' jimi, posted by Okpolosi on May 24, 2003, at 7:14:12
I feel I have to expand on this topic......
I was used to being my old self, down on myself, feeling worthless and undeserving. My dear Father who has been gone 13 years now (and I still miss him and think of him often), God rest his soul, was a verbally abusive man to all of us (Mom included), but I can NOT blame him because his father was a true Ogre. His upbringing was far worse than mine, and I truely beleive he loved us all and was doing the best he could.
Regardless, I know where my problems come from, I understand how they work, and I should be able to deal with it all by now.....but it's never that easy, is it?
And now there's Lexapro......It's helped in so many ways, and yet there is still that little nagging in the back of my head saying...it won't last...it's not right...not for you, my little pretty!!
I have never enjoyed "talking" to someone about my problems, this is much easier!!!! And thanks for being there for me, if I can repay the favor....
I guess I shall TRY to enjoy it, this different feeling that seems so alien, because tomorrow may be the day it all comes crashing down.
Posted by cswife on May 24, 2003, at 8:48:06
In reply to Re: Dif person lil' jimi, posted by Okpolosi on May 24, 2003, at 8:08:36
Posted by Okpolosi on May 24, 2003, at 10:48:16
In reply to 'Nother newbie (nm), posted by cswife on May 24, 2003, at 8:48:06
Welcome to the Board....Hope we can hear more from you.....How are you doing?
Posted by cswife on May 24, 2003, at 11:07:22
In reply to Re: 'Nother newbie**cswife, posted by Okpolosi on May 24, 2003, at 10:48:16
Evidently my message did not post. My husband, age 50, has just started taking lexapro 3 days ago. This is the first time he has ever taken an anti-depressant. He had general depression, feeling worthless, no motivation. This drug is making him extremely nervous, agitated, can't sleep, sweating profusely. On top of all that, the doctor told him he has elevated bp, cut out sodium, cholesterol reading of 288, cut out all meat. So now, on top of being depressed, he can't eat anything! We called the doctor's office this morning about the way he is feeling and of course, this being a holiday weekend, the doctor is out until Wednesday. The lady in the office said for him to stop taking the drug. He is in pitiful shape and there's nothing I can do to help. What advice would you all give? Should he hang in there and give the lexapro more time?
He works with electricity, so I worry about his safety. I appreciate any insight you folks can give.
Posted by Okpolosi on May 24, 2003, at 11:36:22
In reply to Re: 'Nother newbie**cswife, posted by cswife on May 24, 2003, at 11:07:22
> Evidently my message did not post. My husband, age 50, has just started taking lexapro 3 days ago. This is the first time he has ever taken an anti-depressant. He had general depression, feeling worthless, no motivation. This drug is making him extremely nervous, agitated, can't sleep, sweating profusely. On top of all that, the doctor told him he has elevated bp, cut out sodium, cholesterol reading of 288, cut out all meat. So now, on top of being depressed, he can't eat anything! We called the doctor's office this morning about the way he is feeling and of course, this being a holiday weekend, the doctor is out until Wednesday. The lady in the office said for him to stop taking the drug. He is in pitiful shape and there's nothing I can do to help. What advice would you all give? Should he hang in there and give the lexapro more time?
> He works with electricity, so I worry about his safety. I appreciate any insight you folks can give.What you are describing (nervous, sweating, nausea, insomnia) are all initial side effects of Lexapro. I had all of these you mention plus more. I have posted quite a lot about my experiences w/SE's, if it will help, you can go back to previous periods (the section above) and read all about it. These SE's lessen with time and for most, they go away.
Suffice it to say, I had a rough time of it, but I stuck with it and am very glad I did. Have been on 10mg going into my 5th month, Lexapro IS WORKING for me!!
Please do not get discouraged right away, give the meds a chance to do their work (for some, myself included, it can take 6 to 8 weeks before you can feel the difference.
Hope I have been of some help and we are all here for you and are all pulling for you!!!
Posted by Okpolosi on May 24, 2003, at 11:43:46
In reply to Re: Lexapro side-effects, posted by okpolosi on March 2, 2003, at 9:47:30
> I have been reading posts here for a month or so and decided I should share my Lex experiences, too. What I have read has been so helpfull and thank you all for sharing.
> I'm in week 5 on 5mg and I take it late morning, around 10:00AM. Female 47, diagnosed with PPMD and depression, have never taken any meds before. Just haven't felt like my usual self for a couple of years it seems. Thought I was peri-menopausal, but Dr says it's PPMD. Was having terrible fights w/husband and fits of rage at work, while having to deal with customers, NOT good! Recently lost Mother-in-Law, we were pretty close, and both me and husband were hit pretty hard. Inherited a big house that needs a lot of work.
> Week 1 - Nausea for a few hours after taking, mild diahrea, REALLY bad Headaches in the evening. Felt tired and foggy headed in the afternoon. Noticed some mild anxiety. No trouble sleeping. Towards end of week started feeling like I was getting the flu. Noticed my teeth hurt and realized I was clenching. Didn't want to eat at all, no appetite.
> Week 2 - People at work have the flu, I called in sick all week, really felt terrible and don't know for sure if it was Lex or flu, had no fever, but had headaches, congestion, runny nose, chills, diahrea, slept A LOT, day and night. Eat like a pig but actually lost a pound or two, realy crave carbs ( Potatoe chips, Chex mix, etc. ). Occasional anxiety. Got an itchy rash all over my back and top of my arms. Head feels "big" and spacey. Have to tell self not to clench teeth.
> Week 3 - "Flu" symptoms going away, feel very tired, no energy, short of breath if I do anything. Head still feels funny - spacey. Sweaty armpits on some days, blurry vision, a few mild night sweats, but in general no trouble sleeping. Still have mild diahrea. Had one day of bad lower back pain. Anxiety seems to occur less often. Gained back the pounds I lost.
> Week 4 - Feel better physically, not mentally - still very angry and irritable, period is coming. A little trouble sleeping, want to blame husband for keeping me awake. Sweaty pits seem to have gone away, head doesn't feel funny any more, still have mild diahrea (not really a problem, just different than usual). Energy returning, able to do a lot more at work without feeling out of breath. Still clenching some but not as bad.
> Week 5 - Actually haven't finished week 5, only half way through. Got a customer complaint at work because I was such a BITCH! Supposed to be having period but hasn't actually started yet. Snapped at husband for no reason. Blurry vision improved slightly. Still don't want to get out of bed in the morning. Am starting to wonder if I should take 7.5mg or even 10 as I don't feel "better", but then figure I should still give it another week or 2, not sure I have given Lex long enough to help.
> I will update, and again want to thank everyone for your input, it helps to know you are not alone!!!This is one of my old posts. Save you some trouble, hope it helps
Posted by lil' jimi on May 24, 2003, at 11:44:39
In reply to Re: Dif person lil' jimi, posted by Okpolosi on May 24, 2003, at 8:08:36
hi okpolosi,
you have impressed me again ... you should be proud of yourself ... i feel soooo .......
...... HAPPY! that you are doing so well!!!!
> I feel I have to expand on this topic......
>
> I was used to being my old self, down on myself, feeling worthless and undeserving. My dear Father who has been gone 13 years now (and I still miss him and think of him often), God rest his soul, was a verbally abusive man to all of us (Mom included), but I can NOT blame him because his father was a true Ogre. His upbringing was far worse than mine, and I truely beleive he loved us all and was doing the best he could.
>
> Regardless, I know where my problems come from, I understand how they work, and I should be able to deal with it all by now.....but it's never that easy, is it?
>
> And now there's Lexapro......It's helped in so many ways, and yet there is still that little nagging in the back of my head saying...it won't last...it's not right...not for you, my little pretty!!
>
> I have never enjoyed "talking" to someone about my problems, this is much easier!!!! And thanks for being there for me, if I can repay the favor....
>
> I guess I shall TRY to enjoy it, this different feeling that seems so alien, because tomorrow may be the day it all comes crashing down.
>
>
>i find this all very very encouraging and hopeful .... the inspirational thing for me is your struggle, over which you've managed to survive and grow to this point where you can be so positive and constructively analytical.
i read this as you making progress .... real progress!
on the one hand, you suffered your symptoms so long and on the other, you suffered such bad SEs ..... shouldn't that serve to validate that you deserve to get to feel good ?.... finally!
analogy: you had been down so long you hadn't realized you'd been holding you breath ... and 'under water' (depressed) .... so that when you manage to find the surface, it's disorienting .... and when you get to break the surface and finally breathe, it seems alien, because it's so unfamiliar.
so now it is almost too fantastic to imagine that that much suffering could really be gone forever .... that we could be so blessed ...... why us ?
and this change is so great that that suffering person we know does not even seem to be related to this new alien breathing person .... ..
hey, what's that sound? there! There it is Again! ...it's ... laughter (!) ... and it's so close! ...it's ..... coming....from ....
...
.......me!
Impossible!!!
HA!and yes, ms okpolosi, i'd say we are rapporting here alright .....
as you have broached your issues with your dad, you have opened me up to considering my issues with my mom ..... aye, indeed there's work to be done there ..... she died june 3rd 2002 ..... you'll likely be hearing more about this, thank you in advance for that ..... and for all of this.and, No, it has never been easy ... i guess important things never are ..... but with lex it at least seems possible now.
i say we save our energy we'd waste worrying about deserving our new-found advantages, and instead use the advantages and that energy to steel ourselves for this anxiety about possible poop out ...... because worrying about our success is something which isn't rational but which we may control, whereas the risk of poop out is real, and it is rational to try to anticipate it and prepare a beneficial response ..... since we can have this much anticipation and its lead-in time and the strength and sanity to be able to prepare ....
what have people done when the other ADs have pooped on them? (oo, sorry for the bad mental picture) my gp mentioned effexor, but i'd hate to go there.
would a benzo supplement make sense? ... or maybe wellbutrin supplement? ....... i suggest these things Just in case we must see our paradise begin to melt .... never hurts to have back-up plans and the plans should help lessen the anxiety ... anxieties.Okpolosi, you're alright! you hang in there and just tough it out that we are goin to have to feel good now. Okay?
more later,
TAKE CARE!!!
~ jimp.s. my prayers to 2bornot2bnuts, in her time of suffering: May she find refuge from misery
~ j
Posted by Okpolosi on May 24, 2003, at 11:49:43
In reply to Re: Lexapro side-effects, posted by okpolosi on March 6, 2003, at 8:04:54
> Oops! Made a mistake in my initial post, not sure if it matters but I have PMDD (Pre-Menstrual Dysfunction) and not PPMD (Post Partum?)
>
> Today is the first day of Week 6, period should be ending today, but the anger has not gone away. Two days ago I was flaming mad at work ( the place drives me nuts!! ) and I decided to go up to 10mg of Lex, have been taking 5mg.
> Felt slightly better yesterday, but diahrea increased, my back itches some, and jaw clenching. Other than that, have not noticed any of the other side effects that I experienced previously.
> I am still optimistic that the Lex will help me, I think I feel better, not quite as angry as before, but still not totally "well" yet. Depression is still there lurking around, and don't feel "good".Thought I should include this one as well. You can see that even at my 6th week I was still having trouble. I'm glad to say I improved steadily from there and I'm doing much better.
Again I hope this is of some help.
Posted by 2beornot2benuts on May 24, 2003, at 14:20:50
In reply to Lexapro comments, posted by wally on January 9, 2003, at 2:22:56
Hello, I'm still here, Thanks to all for your advice and concern. It really helps! I got to rest alot today, my son and husband helped take care of my 2yr old daughter. Side effects aren't so bad today, they must be worsened by stress. I think the effexor is loosening it's grip too. I'm not so dizzy, and no freaky brain zaps. I'm glad a few of you actually respond and get (better?} relief from these AD's. I'm still fighting the fact that I need them, whether there helpul or hurtful. I really wish I never took them in the first place. Gotta go... TAKE CARE!!! 2B
Posted by blkvettes on May 24, 2003, at 14:47:34
In reply to Re: Dif person lil' jimi, posted by Okpolosi on May 24, 2003, at 8:08:36
> I feel I have to expand on this topic......
>
> I was used to being my old self, down on myself, feeling worthless and undeserving. My dear Father who has been gone 13 years now (and I still miss him and think of him often), God rest his soul, was a verbally abusive man to all of us (Mom included), but I can NOT blame him because his father was a true Ogre. His upbringing was far worse than mine, and I truely beleive he loved us all and was doing the best he could.
>
> Regardless, I know where my problems come from, I understand how they work, and I should be able to deal with it all by now.....but it's never that easy, is it?
>
> And now there's Lexapro......It's helped in so many ways, and yet there is still that little nagging in the back of my head saying...it won't last...it's not right...not for you, my little pretty!!
>
> I have never enjoyed "talking" to someone about my problems, this is much easier!!!! And thanks for being there for me, if I can repay the favor....
>
> I guess I shall TRY to enjoy it, this different feeling that seems so alien, because tomorrow may be the day it all comes crashing down.
>
>
>
I could have written most of this myself. I did not have an abusive father. But did not grow up with mine. Divorce sucks!!!!!!!!! He was there and I spent great quality with him growing up. But I know its not the same as if he were there everyday. I also get the feeling that its not going to last feeling. Maybe thats why I have this insomnia. Maybe Im afraid I wont feel the same the next day. I have always kept my problems bottled up inside of me. In fact humor has masked ny feelings for most of my life. Yes, we need to enjoy each day to the fullest and hope it does not come crashing down. I can not start over again. I cant go through that pain again!!!
WAYNE
Posted by blkvettes on May 24, 2003, at 15:04:01
In reply to Re: 'Nother newbie**cswife, posted by cswife on May 24, 2003, at 11:07:22
> Evidently my message did not post. My husband, age 50, has just started taking lexapro 3 days ago. This is the first time he has ever taken an anti-depressant. He had general depression, feeling worthless, no motivation. This drug is making him extremely nervous, agitated, can't sleep, sweating profusely. On top of all that, the doctor told him he has elevated bp, cut out sodium, cholesterol reading of 288, cut out all meat. So now, on top of being depressed, he can't eat anything! We called the doctor's office this morning about the way he is feeling and of course, this being a holiday weekend, the doctor is out until Wednesday. The lady in the office said for him to stop taking the drug. He is in pitiful shape and there's nothing I can do to help. What advice would you all give? Should he hang in there and give the lexapro more time?
> He works with electricity, so I worry about his safety. I appreciate any insight you folks can give.Hi there, most of what he feels will go away. But it will take time!!! Its hard as hell!!! Its scary!!! He has to stick it out. Most of what you describe are very common side effects. You have not posted anything that would suggest the med is dangerous to his health. Does he have a benzo such as xanax, klonopin or ativan. Maybe ask the doc for some to help calm him down and help with sleep. The best thing you can do is get him to eat, hold his hand and tell him you love him. Listen to him talk and you really dont have to answer. For me just having someone listen helped me so much. Also does he have vacation time or can he afford a week off or so. This might help him as he adjusts. GOD BLESS!!!!
WAYNE
Posted by blkvettes on May 24, 2003, at 15:09:52
In reply to Re: Lexapro comments, posted by 2beornot2benuts on May 24, 2003, at 14:20:50
> Hello, I'm still here, Thanks to all for your advice and concern. It really helps! I got to rest alot today, my son and husband helped take care of my 2yr old daughter. Side effects aren't so bad today, they must be worsened by stress. I think the effexor is loosening it's grip too. I'm not so dizzy, and no freaky brain zaps. I'm glad a few of you actually respond and get (better?} relief from these AD's. I'm still fighting the fact that I need them, whether there helpul or hurtful. I really wish I never took them in the first place. Gotta go... TAKE CARE!!! 2B
Hi there, those brain zaps are scary!!!! Glad your feeling better!!!! Reach out to your family and friends when you get those bad thoughts. Talk to your husband when you feel you need a break and he will pick up the slack. It may be selfish but you come first right now. Take care of you and then you can take care of them!!!! Hang in there!!!!
WAYNE
Posted by cswife on May 24, 2003, at 16:22:07
In reply to Re: 'Nother newbie**cswife, posted by blkvettes on May 24, 2003, at 15:04:01
Thanks Wayne and the rest of you. This is the only medicine he is taking. Just reading that the SE's are normal and trying to assure him that it is normal is a big help. I hope he will stick it out. I'm really worried about him. It's like he got a triple whammy all at one time. He finally did get up and went outside today and is doing some light yard work. Maybe keeping busy is helping. He was a basket case this morning. And now trying to come up with something he can eat since the doctor said no meat and no sodium. What's left?
He has plenty of sick leave and 5 more weeks of vacation, but getting him to take it is the problem. He was off week before last.
Thanks again for all your comments.
Posted by Dr. Bob on May 24, 2003, at 18:11:18
In reply to Re: Lexapro and Nausea, posted by 2beornot2benuts on May 23, 2003, at 20:06:15
> Hello again, I'm in the middle of a sh*tstorm of sideffects
It's fine to vent, but could you do it without language that could offend others? Thanks,
Bob
PS1: Follow-ups regarding posting policies, and complaints about posts, should be redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration.
PS2: Language like that should not be quoted "as is" in another post, either.
Posted by Dr. Bob on May 24, 2003, at 18:13:38
In reply to Re: Lexapro and Nausea, posted by sidney on May 23, 2003, at 20:32:07
> > Hello again, I'm in the middle of a storm of sideffects
Posted by Mariposa on May 24, 2003, at 22:29:47
In reply to Re: Dif person lil' jimi » Okpolosi, posted by lil' jimi on May 24, 2003, at 11:44:39
> hi okpolosi,
>
> you have impressed me again ... you should be proud of yourself ... i feel soooo .......
>
> ...... HAPPY! that you are doing so well!!!!
>
>
>>>>>>Spreading wings......feel the breeze floating up,......stretching out.....and.... I launch myself out into the wild blue yonder......up up and away in my butterfly...my butterfly.....Wwwaaaahhhhiiinnngs!!!!Doesn't QUITE fit, but...oh well!
If you didn't catch it...5th dimension...first concert I ever went to...kind of dates me - old lady!
I think it's all the caffe...worked til 10:30PM last nite, had to go in this morning @6AM and worked till 5PM, and I think I'm koffinated.
Need to try to relax and go to bed...HOPE WE ALL HAVE SWEET DREAMS!
ps. Almost forgot....This is the first flight of the MARIPOSA.....hope she does not crash....
Posted by lil' jimi on May 24, 2003, at 22:58:35
In reply to Re: Depressed? Me? gimme my lexapro!! Ha!, posted by blkvettes on May 23, 2003, at 13:21:42
hey wayne,
>>>>> Hi Jim, sometimes I have to read your posts twice to figure out what the heck your talking about.
i have to do the same thing a lot of times.
perhaps this is because it could be confusing reading how confused i am about myself ? .... i do try to be clear, believe it or not ..... any particular things i could clear up? ... .. it would probably be to my benefit .... and of course, i appreciate the help as always!>>>>> Do you see a pdoc? I would love to sit in on one of your sessions.
and you would be welcome! .... but, no, i don't have a pdoc .... guess i could use one (?)
>>>>> As far as your motivation dysfunction, I feel this is my problem right now. But I did get a haircut today and went in 2 stores and have gained interest in my over all appearance again. This is the first haircut in over 7 months. Dont worry Jim, I have always had long hair. Women say they wish they had my hair. But Im slowly getting motivation and regaining that zest for life in spite of all that goes on around me.
that is great wayne!!! way to go , man!! getting out and going to stores, getting back the motivations and all ..... sounds great!!!
>>>>> You just keep posting and I will keep trying to figure out what your talking about. TAKE CARE!!!!!!!
>>>>> WAYNEyou can be sure i'll be posting! .... and i hope you'll let me help you figure out what i'm trying to write ....
then maybe i'll figure it out too!take care!!!!! and thanks!
~ jim
Posted by lil' jimi on May 25, 2003, at 0:17:23
In reply to Re: Dif person lil' jimi, posted by blkvettes on May 24, 2003, at 14:47:34
hi wayne,
our okpolosi wrote :
> > I was used to being my old self, down on myself, feeling worthless and undeserving. My dear Father who has been gone 13 years now (and I still miss him and think of him often), God rest his soul, was a verbally abusive man to all of us (Mom included), but I can NOT blame him because his father was a true Ogre. His upbringing was far worse than mine, and I truely beleive he loved us all and was doing the best he could.
> >
> > Regardless, I know where my problems come from, I understand how they work, and I should be able to deal with it all by now.....but it's never that easy, is it?
> >
> > And now there's Lexapro......It's helped in so many ways, and yet there is still that little nagging in the back of my head saying...it won't last...it's not right...not for you, my little pretty!!
> >
> > I have never enjoyed "talking" to someone about my problems, this is much easier!!!! And thanks for being there for me, if I can repay the favor....
> >
> > I guess I shall TRY to enjoy it, this different feeling that seems so alien, because tomorrow may be the day it all comes crashing down.
> >
> >
> >
>
to which you responded :
> I could have written most of this myself. I did not have an abusive father. But did not grow up with mine. Divorce sucks!!!!!!!!! He was there and I spent great quality with him growing up. But I know its not the same as if he were there everyday. I also get the feeling that its not going to last feeling. Maybe thats why I have this insomnia. Maybe Im afraid I wont feel the same the next day. I have always kept my problems bottled up inside of me. In fact humor has masked ny feelings for most of my life. Yes, we need to enjoy each day to the fullest and hope it does not come crashing down. I can not start over again. I cant go through that pain again!!!
> WAYNEyou hit the one point i want to work on here:
i'd like us to try to decrease our anxieties about possible poop out ... .. for as much as we can control them.while acknowledging that, despite how much we want to avoid it, poop out is a possiblity, and it is one we can not control ..... but we should be prepared for, as much as we can prepare ....
so that if that bad day does come when it turns out that our castles are made of sand and they begin to melt into the sea ....
we may depend on each other to get us through it .... even if we must start all over again ..... even if we must endure that pain again .....
because our friends here will help us ....
and
because our kids need us .....take care wayne!!!!
~ jimp.s. i have not heard one word about any lexapro poop out at all ..... has anyone ?
how long have the europeans been taking lex? any poop outs there?
~ j
Posted by lil' jimi on May 25, 2003, at 0:35:48
In reply to Re: Lexapro comments, posted by 2beornot2benuts on May 24, 2003, at 14:20:50
hi 2B,
> Hello, I'm still here, Thanks to all for your advice and concern. It really helps! I got to rest alot today, my son and husband helped take care of my 2yr old daughter. Side effects aren't so bad today, they must be worsened by stress. I think the effexor is loosening it's grip too. I'm not so dizzy, and no freaky brain zaps. I'm glad a few of you actually respond and get (better?} relief from these AD's. I'm still fighting the fact that I need them, whether there helpul or hurtful. I really wish I never took them in the first place. Gotta go... TAKE CARE!!! 2B
pulling for you here!! .... love to hear that the home team's pulling together to help you out, especially with the kids ..... way to go 2B's boys!! ..... figure if you had caught the flu and it has you out of commision, they'd fill in for you..... and it is a lot like the flu, except you should feel better than before once it's over .....
you wrote: "I really wish I never took them in the first place."
..... i know how that feels!.... for a long time ... until just lately, really .... i felt that all of the problems from getting on lex were 10 times more trouble than my symptoms ..... now i realize i was wrong ...... because the more i recover, the more i recognize how serious my symptoms were/ are.hang in there .... post when you're up to it.
you have friends here!TAKE CARE!!!
~ jim
Posted by lil' jimi on May 25, 2003, at 0:48:29
In reply to Re: Dif person lil' jimi, posted by Mariposa on May 24, 2003, at 22:29:47
greetings and welcome Mariposa!
> > hi okpolosi,
> >
> > you have impressed me again ... you should be proud of yourself ... i feel soooo .......
> >
> > ...... HAPPY! that you are doing so well!!!!
> >
> >
> >>>>>>Spreading wings......feel the breeze floating up,......stretching out.....and.... I launch myself out into the wild blue yonder......up up and away in my butterfly...my butterfly.....Wwwaaaahhhhiiinnngs!!!!
>
> Doesn't QUITE fit, but...oh well!
>
> If you didn't catch it...5th dimension...first concert I ever went to...kind of dates me - old lady!
>
> I think it's all the caffe...worked til 10:30PM last nite, had to go in this morning @6AM and worked till 5PM, and I think I'm koffinated.
>
> Need to try to relax and go to bed...HOPE WE ALL HAVE SWEET DREAMS!
>
> ps. Almost forgot....This is the first flight of the MARIPOSA.....hope she does not crash....i am very confident that everyone here hopes you do not crash! i liked that song too and can remember when it was new .... i'm 52: am i older than you? (you needn't answer!)
butterfly, i hope you just keep flying on ..... fly by this way again soon .....
and have those SWEET DREAMS!!!
TAKE CARE !!!!~ jim
p.s. coffee is good.
Posted by Mariposa on May 25, 2003, at 7:02:45
In reply to Re: Dif person lil' jimi » Okpolosi, posted by lil' jimi on May 24, 2003, at 11:44:39
> hi okpolosi,
>
> you have impressed me again ... you should be proud of yourself ... i feel soooo .......
>
> ...... HAPPY! that you are doing so well!!!!
>
>> i find this all very very encouraging and hopeful .... the inspirational thing for me is your struggle, over which you've managed to survive and grow to this point where you can be so positive and constructively analytical.
>
> i read this as you making progress .... real progress!
>
> on the one hand, you suffered your symptoms so long and on the other, you suffered such bad SEs ..... shouldn't that serve to validate that you deserve to get to feel good ?.... finally!
>
> analogy: you had been down so long you hadn't realized you'd been holding you breath ... and 'under water' (depressed) .... so that when you manage to find the surface, it's disorienting .... and when you get to break the surface and finally breathe, it seems alien, because it's so unfamiliar.
>
> so now it is almost too fantastic to imagine that that much suffering could really be gone forever .... that we could be so blessed ...... why us ?
>
> and this change is so great that that suffering person we know does not even seem to be related to this new alien breathing person .... ..
>
> hey, what's that sound? there! There it is Again! ...it's ... laughter (!) ... and it's so close! ...it's ..... coming....from ....
> ...
> .......me!
> Impossible!!!
> HA!
>
> and yes, ms okpolosi, i'd say we are rapporting here alright .....
> as you have broached your issues with your dad, you have opened me up to considering my issues with my mom ..... aye, indeed there's work to be done there ..... she died june 3rd 2002 ..... you'll likely be hearing more about this, thank you in advance for that ..... and for all of this.
>
> and, No, it has never been easy ... i guess important things never are ..... but with lex it at least seems possible now.
>
> i say we save our energy we'd waste worrying about deserving our new-found advantages, and instead use the advantages and that energy to steel ourselves for this anxiety about possible poop out ...... because worrying about our success is something which isn't rational but which we may control, whereas the risk of poop out is real, and it is rational to try to anticipate it and prepare a beneficial response ..... since we can have this much anticipation and its lead-in time and the strength and sanity to be able to prepare ....
>
> what have people done when the other ADs have pooped on them? (oo, sorry for the bad mental picture) my gp mentioned effexor, but i'd hate to go there.
> would a benzo supplement make sense? ... or maybe wellbutrin supplement? ....... i suggest these things Just in case we must see our paradise begin to melt .... never hurts to have back-up plans and the plans should help lessen the anxiety ... anxieties.
>
> Okpolosi, you're alright! you hang in there and just tough it out that we are goin to have to feel good now. Okay?
>
> more later,
> TAKE CARE!!!
> ~ jim
>
> p.s. my prayers to 2bornot2bnuts, in her time of suffering: May she find refuge from misery
> ~ jWOW!!! Are we getting better or WHAT? I too have found myself actually laughing....seems like it's been so long.....That thread about misic in the head and O-CD's just killed me, I LAUGHED so hard when I read that!!!!!
And you are so right on w/all you have said here....I should quit looking the gift horse in the mouth and just get on and RIDE!!!!! because who knows, that horse may break a leg over that next hurdle.
I guess it's just that I have been all curled up for too long, not used to being happy....so I have to look for the BAD in everything, and right now it's that dreaded "POOP OUT".......
And we just don't hear enough from long term users to aleviate those FEARS.
Anytime you want to discuss the past, family anything, I'm there for you, or anyone else. I feel obligated now to help those who have helped me, or those who are struggling to get to where we find ourselves now. I'm rambling aren't I...
Each of us has our own story, problems, issues, reasons, delusions, and I know it helps so much to realize you ARE NOT ALONE!!!
Posted by blkvettes on May 25, 2003, at 9:13:43
In reply to Re: Dif person lil' jimi, posted by Mariposa on May 25, 2003, at 7:02:45
Hi there, there really are no long term users on lexapro. I mean the med is not even a year old. I guess if we were to look for answers we would have to do a little research on its family member celexa. Lil Jimi, I go to a lot of boards and below is something I put together for people who had a hard time believing in panic attacks, anxiety and depression. This is what I fear, returning to this mess. But then again, I do have the knowledge of experience on my side if the dreaded poop out does happen. Maybe between the 2 or 3 of us maybe we could see how those celexa people are doing. Some from this board have tried lexapro and ended up back on celexa. Well hope all is fine for everyone on this wonderful holiday weekend. GOD bless all who have or are fighting to keep this country the greatest on earth.
WAYNE
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Subject: PANIC ATTACK SYMPTOMS
Date: 4/14/2003 11:59 AM Eastern Daylight Time
From: Aw041757
Message-id: <20030414115934.01153.00000169@mbs-m08.aol.com>
Hi, I know when I first started having panic attacks and anxiety and depression, I could not believe my mind was doing all this. I am so much better now since my med kicked in. Below I have listed symptoms that I suffered with. I know that when these attacks started I wanted to know if everyone else had the same symptoms. It is very scary but once you rule out everything physical through a physical exam you will find that it is all in your head. I hope this list brings a little comfort to anyone who is going through this and you can overcome all these fears you have. It is not easy and is very hard but you dont quit fighting. You can win the fight with meds or therapy and a lot of praying. Good luck to all those who have to endure this terrible illness. Feel free to email me anytime day or night if I can help in any way. I know what you will go through and hope and pray that you all will find your way out of this darkness. TAKE CARE ALL AND GOD BLESS!!!!!!!! Here are the symptoms I have experienced and there are a lot of others that I did not have. You can have anything possible from head to toe!!!!!!!!
Feelings of a heart attack, the thought i had many diseases and was going to die, hot flashes in stomach and face, cold flashes on my head, muscle pains and spasms and twitches all over my body, body shaking, sweating and chills, wobbly and balance problems when walking, anxiety, depression, crying spells, siucide thoughts constantly, severe stomach problems, choking feeling in the throat, dizziness, fear of being alone and leaving the house, numbness in neck arms and legs, huge weight loss, heart palpitations, insomnia, bad dreams, waking up and cant breathe.
In closing I will say please force yourself to eat it will help with the stomach, take deep breaths to relax. Dont be afraid of meds and if you start them, start on a low dose for at least a week to let you get used to it and minimize the side effects. You have to give the med at least 4 to 8 weeks to work. If you have some bad side effects please dont quit after just 1 med. It took me three tries to get the right one. GOOD LUCK TO ALL!!!!!!
WAYNE
Posted by lil' jimi on May 25, 2003, at 14:02:52
In reply to Re: please be civil » 2beornot2benuts, posted by Dr. Bob on May 24, 2003, at 18:11:18
hi dr. bob,
i'm posting this reply to your warning to 2BeOrNot2Be to be civil, here for the benefit of my fellow rule violators and because i doubt there would need to be any discussion ..... any discussion should be re-directd to psycho-babble administration ..... thank you for your support.
you wrote:
> PS2: Language like that should not be quoted "as is" in another post, either.acknowledging my lapse(s),
offering my apology,
promising my compliance,
appreciating your guidance ...sincerely,
~ jimp.s continuing to pull for 2B to make it through her storm !!
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