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Posted by Zo on March 12, 2002, at 2:15:27
In reply to Re: sidetrack from Addiction » Zo, posted by shelliR on March 9, 2002, at 21:10:47
I didn't really mean to imply anything about Elizabeth or anybody at all. . tho I can see I didn't express myself well. Mostly I just wanted to share my experiences. And I do NOT want to discourage anyone from having hopes around Bupe. I just remember a while back when I was trying to get it--and now I do know a compounding pharm near SF, if anyone needs that resource--there was a mini-stampede. So I hoped to add a little balance.
For whatever reason, my mania on Bupe was the worst ever, well beyond pleasure, hello psychosis. Luckily I started emailing my pdoc about hourly. Good ol' email.
You had water retention on Lamictal? I'm just starting Provigil to help set my bio. clock and for alertness, and it seems to be countering the Lamictal eats---which, mind you, are NOTHING like the Zyprexa eats!
I'm glad to have your response, Shelli, and am so glad to catch up with your progress! The first few days on Bupe were sooo nice. Actually, each hit made me high. . but who tells the truth about that. That's just the way life's supposed to be. . .isn't it? Suffused with a quite golden glow?
Zo
Posted by Elizabeth on March 12, 2002, at 8:35:19
In reply to Re: sidetrack from Addiction, posted by reese1 on March 9, 2002, at 17:54:17
> do you take the medication buprenix - through injection
>
> or sublingualy (spelling?Neither. Intranasally. (I've posted about this in the past -- do a search. The way I do it is kind of inconvenient; a pharmacist might be able to make you a metered-dose nasal inhaler, like the one used for Stadol NS). The effective dose seems to be close to the recommended doses for intramuscular injection.
Taking Buprenex solution sublingually is supposed to be a less reliable route because people tend to swallow a lot of it. The formulations intended for SL use (Subutex, Temgesic) are probably more reliable.
You asked about intramuscular injection and the size needles to use. The optimal size is probably 1 1/4", 22 ga. (I say this because I sometimes get a generic that comes in prefilled syringes, and that's the size they use. You might want to ask for this generic if you're injecting it, since retail pharmacies often don't carry a lot of different syringes.)
> p.s. i was taking it .6 dose but i have discovered that it is to high. I feel dopey and a little drugged out. Not in the high sense of dope or whatever.
That is quite a bit to take all at once, especially if you're just starting and if you're injecting it. I started at 0.15 mg (t.i.d., intranasally) because the side effects at 0.3 mg (1 mL) hit too hard (especially nausea).
On the other hand, if you're just taking it once a day, and if that works for you, it seems like a reasonable total daily dose. It's curious that some people can take it once daily. It seems to me that when people are taking it for addiction maintenance treatment, they can get away with taking it once daily, whereas for pain it's supposed to be used about thrice daily (which I find is necessary for me) for pain. It seems that the dosing schedule is variable when it's used as an antidepressant.
HTH
-elizabeth
Posted by Elizabeth on March 12, 2002, at 9:59:28
In reply to Re: sidetrack from Addiction » Elizabeth, posted by Zo on March 9, 2002, at 18:39:03
> I realized I must charge you, as PB's resident Buprenex authority, with remembering my experiences with Bupe and adding them to your encycolopedia.
I'm not really keeping a list of case reports, although perhaps I should try to do that. But yes, I do take into account that a lot of people actually feel worse on opioids, and it's good to have some case reports.
> Remember that it is available as a troche,
Don't you need to get it through a compounding pharmacy to do that? There aren't a lot of those (compounding pharmacies, that is), and compounded nedications tend to be expensive. (And buprenorphine is already pretty expensive.)
> Paradoxically, it was that episode that finally made my Bipolar II dx concrete; my pdoc subracted the bupe, added Lamictal---and I have been steadily undepressed and unsuicidal since then.
I'm not sure that antidepressant-induced mania is proof of bipolar disorder (according to DSM-IV, it's not supposed to be). Of course, if you always get manic on ADs, and you need ADs for depression, then you pretty much have to be on mood stabilizers (I think that's supposed to be considered bipolar NOS, not bipolar II). I got manic (mixed -- very horrible, I know what you're talking about) when I had a severe episode of the central serotonin syndrome, and the weird nasty depression type thing that happened when Nardil pooped out may also have been a mixed state, but these were considered to be isolated cases -- most antidepressants don't make me manic. So I might have a minor *tendency* to manic switching, but nobody would actually say I'm bipolar.
> September, I think it was.
Ahh, September. That was when I had that seizure-whatever-thingie episode. I've been taking Trileptal to prevent stuff like that; I also went off desipramine, which I think was probably a contributor.
> If I were in a place to track and respond to the bupe threads, I'd also have to talk a a bit about letting any one med becoming the holy grail--having lived that process over and over, for long enough, as have others here of course.
Yeah, I don't mean to imply that it's some kind of holy grail. I try to warn people about the side effects, potential withdrawal symptoms, etc. I definitely think it's not for everyone; rather, it's something to consider if you're seriously treatment-resistant or can only achieve partial remission with regular ADs and the more common augmentation strategies. I think opioids should pretty much be a last resort (except for ECT) and should probably usually be reserved for severe depressions.
> I'd add something about Bupe's unavailability helping it appear as Grail--and about my being "saved" after all this time, by something as ordinary as Lamictal. . . at the same time that I'd discourage NO one from going after it. . . I think you understand.
I do understand. But I'd actually discourage most people, probably. The reason is that I usually find that people who say they've tried "everything" have left some things out that are worth trying for them (often things like Lamictal, that are, as you say, pretty ordinary).
> You're in a powerful position here to affect the suffering of others, as I know you know. You've given great hope to many; I hope my experiences can add something to your admirable efforts.
Gosh, thanks. :-} I do know that, and it kind of weighs on me -- like, I feel like I have a major responsibility to be very careful in making suggestions. You know? But I really want people to know that there are things that they can try that their doctors aren't likely to suggest spontaneously, and I'm not just talking about buprenorphine here.
> I'll have to do a post with the whole gory med history. . .
I'd like to get a nice history of what happened when you took bupe, in particular. I'm puzzled by the mixed episode thing: of course I've heard of mania induced by monoaminergic ADs, but never before from an opioid. Then again, I've been sort of wondering whether buprenorphine has some unidentified nonopioid effect (perhaps involving catecholamines). What do you think?
-elizabeth
Posted by Lorraine on March 12, 2002, at 10:09:07
In reply to Re: sidetrack from Addiction » Zo, posted by shelliR on March 9, 2002, at 21:10:47
Shelli:
You know I was recently diagnosed with chronic fatigue, after extensive and correct testing by a doctor that I trust. That is not to say that I don't have depression, but that there is a reason that my body is so d***** fatigued all the time and that traditional ADs don't work and that I am so sensitive to meds. So it looks like I need to attack both ends of this, the chronic fatigue, which in my case is several active viruses run amuck (HHV6, Ebstein Bar and Cytalomega) as well as an immune system that is dysfunctional (my NK activity level sucks). What I am saying is that I think beating the "depression" dog alone would not could not provide my answer. I just keep thinking that the pain component of your illness reminds me of chronic fatigue or FMS. And, I see the use of opiates a lot in the discussion of these two conditions. You might look into it. If you do, the hard part is finding a good, reliable, honest doctor to do the tests.
I want to make it clear that I am not saying that just b/c opiates work for you, your problem is something other than depression. It may not be. I'm just suggesting that there may be another piece to your puzzle that you need to consider.
Lorraine
Posted by shelliR on March 14, 2002, at 0:21:08
In reply to Re: sidetrack from Addiction » shelliR, posted by Lorraine on March 12, 2002, at 10:09:07
Hi Lorraine,
Thanks for any and all advice.
I may look into pain centers, although I think I found a new pdoc who will proscribe bupe, but I think I
don’t want to start the intranasal stuff so I will continue to get it off the internet until it becomes FDA approved here. If I
can get documentation that he can proscribe it for pain now; just not for detox, I could probably get it overseas a lot cheaper with a script.
What is with these pdocs <mine and reese's> thinking they can't proscribe it for pain?I am interested to receive a copy of an article my father is sending me about pain, because it has a list of reputable pain centers throughout the country, including one at NIH.
It's so hard to differentiate everything. hormones, possible viruses, etc. And then I think well nardil and lacimtal helped last year (the year before?, until I decided (maybe foolishly) that I couldn't tolerate the weight gain/water retention. So I am trying lamictal again. Do you go for the root cause, or do you medicate the symptoms by using a mood stabilizer, AD, or whatever?
Life is short <at this age, anyway> and I haven't started that route getting all the tests, etc. One reason that I couldn't go further along that route (like the Hedaya route) was that I've already been tested by an osteopath, and he found that I'm allergic to everything-wheat, dairy, sugar and all sugar substitutes, actually almost everything I normally eat. I'm a vegetarian, so I can't, for instance, fill myself up with a lot of free-roaming, antibiotic free chicken. I was having a hard time finding anything to eat--I don't love vegetables and fruit was out.
What are you doing about food restrictions?
If I didn't believe that I'll have to go up on dose eventually, and if I felt that everyone wasn't treating me like a criminal, the buprenorphine is great. I don't hurt and I don't feel drugged. (Actually sometimes I wish I did feel drugged; what I went through would maybe feel less confusing and awful.) It also gets rid of all my premenstual pain, nausea and depression.
Anyway, I do think the cause vs. the treatment is important. Most people on this board who have FMS or CFS, seem to be in a lot of pain and that may also lead them to opiates. So does the diagnosis really matter? On the other hand, I admire the systematic way you've gone about looking for an answer, as well as treatment, for your fatigue and depression.
So is provigal still front and center?
Let me know how you're doing,
Shelli
Posted by reese1 on March 14, 2002, at 10:13:16
In reply to Re: sidetrack from Addiction » Lorraine, posted by shelliR on March 14, 2002, at 0:21:08
i'm sorry you feel so awful. like everyon knows here there are no words i can use to express anything or any comfort except to say i'm sorry.
if you need any information on buprenex, in new york, i could help you.
reese
Posted by shelliR on March 14, 2002, at 11:47:08
In reply to Re: sidetrack from Addiction, posted by reese1 on March 14, 2002, at 10:13:16
> i'm sorry you feel so awful. like everyon knows here there are no words i can use to express anything or any comfort except to say i'm sorry.
>
> if you need any information on buprenex, in new york, i could help you.
>
> reeseReese,
Sometimes I think maybe you don't read all of the post, or don't quite get the essence. In my post I said,
"If I didn't believe that I'll have to go up on dose eventually, and if I felt that everyone wasn't treating me like a criminal, the buprenorphine is great. I don't hurt and I don't feel drugged. (Actually sometimes I wish I did feel drugged; what I went through would maybe feel less confusing and awful.) It also gets rid of all my premenstual pain, nausea and depression.
So I am on buprenorphine and my depression has lifted. And my doctor will probably start proscribing it soon. Meanwhile I have found it easy to get off the internet, just expensive.
Do you have a problem reading the whole message? I remember that you said once that sometimes you can't get on the computer, so maybe your ability to concentrate is sometimes diminished. Anyway, thanks for your concern, but it feels strange to get so much concern when things are pretty good right now.
Shelli
Posted by reese1 on March 15, 2002, at 13:28:26
In reply to Re: sidetrack from Addiction » reese1, posted by shelliR on March 14, 2002, at 11:47:08
sorry
for whatever it's worth, sometimes when i read the posts off of email they come in incomplete.
sorry
reese
Posted by Zo on March 16, 2002, at 1:40:26
In reply to Re: buprenorphine reactions, etc. » Zo, posted by Elizabeth on March 12, 2002, at 9:59:28
I think it made me high as a kite from the first dose. Only it was the kind of seeping through the whole body kind of well-being that was secretly the way I wanted to live, all the time, and I didn't care what it took. . .bipolar II thinking. It's a lot like addict thinking. But I didn't have much experience at feeling normally good. My pdoc had faith it was possible. . .
There's no doubt Bupe sent me off on a trip--I began lying to people and to myself about being All Better (a sure sign) and the second week, I couldn't stop painting. I painted feverishly, and that weekend, came up with a real working plan to end it all. Pdoc says Mixed States is *the* most dangerous, because you're manic enough to form a good plan and driven enough to carry it out, and depressed enough to want to.
In retrospect, I thought rapid cycling was life. Yes, two drugs now have sent me into serious mood swings--yet I am clearly bipolar ll--that diagnostic thinking is diminishing, I think. . .And I could never have been so certain were not my "moods" levelled out. The wisdom of hindsight.
What this says about opiates, I don't know. I suspect my Vicodin usage was because it triggered a little mania, just a little. If you've ever been a little manic, it is the most seductive state on earth.
Yet here I am fine. Not manic and not depressed is best of all.
Zo
Posted by reese1 on March 18, 2002, at 18:13:30
In reply to Re: buprenorphine reactions, etc. » Elizabeth, posted by Zo on March 16, 2002, at 1:40:26
i'm becoming tired and somewhat sore of using the IM method for buprenex.
Could someone please explain how one would take it intranasally?
Posted by Elizabeth on March 23, 2002, at 10:02:40
In reply to intranasal question?, posted by reese1 on March 18, 2002, at 18:13:30
> i'm becoming tired and somewhat sore of using the IM method for buprenex.
Yeah, no s---. I'm not sure how good an idea it is to be giving yourself IM injections three times a day for a long time. I don't think it's usually done.
> Could someone please explain how one would take it intranasally?
Sure.
1. Remove the needle from the syringe.
2. Lie down, tilting your head back so that your neck is hyperextended.
3. Gradually "inject" the solution into your nose, keeping your head tilted back [this minimizes the amount that ends up going down your throat]. Alternate nostrils, holding one side closed while squirting the solution into the other side. "Snort" or inhale as necessary (other than the lying down/head tilt part, this is a lot like taking a typical nose spray such as Afrin), but try not to swallow. Once again, it's important to do this little by little: a cc is a lot of liquid to be putting in your nose.
4. After you've "snorted" your entire dose, remain in the lying-down-with-head-tilted-back position for a few minutes (I wait about 5 minutes, although I've never been 100% sure exactly how long is necessary).It takes about an hour for the drug effect to manifest when it's taken by this route.
HTH
-e
Posted by reese1 on March 23, 2002, at 20:32:03
In reply to Re: intranasal Buprenex » reese1, posted by Elizabeth on March 23, 2002, at 10:02:40
thank you very much for your reply. it will be very helpful.
question:
what have people's expierence been with weight gain or even bloating?For the last week and a half i have felt fat as hell. Luckily I have never gained weight on medications. Extremly lucky.(except for fucking zyprexa but who didn't)
Is it possible to gain weight from stopping certain medicatons?Recently i have switched from celexa to wellbutrin. And I've gone off of adderall. But my appetite has in no way increased. If anything it's less.
Or is this just my body adjusting the sudden change in medications.
i'm bi-polar
add
so i take alot of stuff
Posted by reese1 on March 23, 2002, at 20:38:18
In reply to Re: intranasal Buprenex-thank you elizabeth, posted by reese1 on March 23, 2002, at 20:32:03
I just wanted to say this. If I have offended anyone because of the spastic or inconsistentcy of my writing i'm sorry. It's just that when i'm in certain moods my writing follows that. Usually when i'm somewhat manic my writing becomes confusing. To be honest some of the time i don't have total memory of what i write because of this. i just wanted to tell everyone that.
and just in case,
i am sorry
reese(doug)
Posted by IsoM on March 23, 2002, at 21:12:32
In reply to to all, posted by reese1 on March 23, 2002, at 20:38:18
Doug, I've read your posts from time to time when the subject line caught my attention. Don't worry about being inconsistent. If we were so perfect as to be nicely consistent all the time, we wouldn't be coming to this forum asking questions.
From the posts I have read of yours, I never thought you were inconsistent - forgetful at times, yes, but so am I.
Posted by reese1 on March 24, 2002, at 10:35:10
In reply to Re: to all » reese1, posted by IsoM on March 23, 2002, at 21:12:32
thanks you,
i appreicate it. i suppose i at times get somewhat paranoid about, do people think ,this or that which only adds the spices and peppers to the whole ingrediant.
In simple terms. It is insecuity.
but thank youdoug(reese)
Posted by Elizabeth on March 25, 2002, at 13:20:30
In reply to Re: intranasal Buprenex-thank you elizabeth, posted by reese1 on March 23, 2002, at 20:32:03
> what have people's expierence been with weight gain or even bloating?
From buprenorphine? None that I can tell. From other things? Oh yeah. (Nardil mainly)
> Is it possible to gain weight from stopping certain medicatons?
Yes, I think that some people gain weight as a result of stimulant withdrawal. I would expect this to be associated with increased appetite, but maybe there's more to it.
BTW I don't think you come across as inconsistent or confusing or anything like that.
-elizabeth
Posted by sally green on June 11, 2002, at 7:44:54
In reply to Re: opioid stuff and dealing with doctors » shelliR, posted by Elizabeth on February 15, 2002, at 11:12:37
Hi Liz:
First, Buprenex is approved by the USFD Administration for the use in people with pain related problems. There are many sites offered by the USDA and DEA describing the leagl aspects of Buprenex. I too was addicted to Oxy's. I have a 20 year long history of pain and surgeries. There are doctors using this drug for detox!! ILLEGAL!! Watch them!! make sure if you are going to a clinic or doctor who prescribes this drug for detox that they have an Investigational New Drug Certificate. This certfictae forces these doctors to detox people and makes them acountable for supplying the appropriate agencies with documentations and statistics about detox success. I have friends attending a clinic where these people are lying about their being allowed to use Buprenex for detox. They are getting addicts, addicted to Buprenex, turning all of them into pain management patients and they are on this detox, that was supposed to take a max of 6 weeks, for many years! This is truly a shame!!
Furthermore, Oxycotin is very addictive! Psycologiaclly as well as, physically. There are many topics related this issue on the web!
These addictions need mental counseling. That is the main issue, behavorial modification, which almost every program for detox lacks, including methadone. I know people who spend the rest of their lives on Methadone! What kind of detox is that? A way for the government to keep making big bucks at the expensive of the addict!
Sally
> > Elizabeth, easy for you to say. You seem to continue to find doctors who will prescribe it for you. I have one guy who was prescribing oxycontin who wouldn't let me try bupe and another doctor who thinks all opiates are evil--thinks I'll become just as addicted to bupe as oxy. Maybe she's right. I don't even know any more. Just like to try it.
>
> Do you really think you were truly addicted to oxycodone? That wasn't my impression. Anyone who takes oxycodone regularly, as you did, will become pharmacologically dependent on it (it might be that this doesn't always happen to people taking it for depression; I'm not sure). That's a normal reaction, not a pathological one. Addiction is when people start having cravings, doing things to get drugs that they would never do otherwise, and so forth.
>
> Anyway, I didn't mean to trivialize your problems finding a doctor, and I'm sorry if that's how it came across. Believe me, I do know how hard it can be, and I'm not sure what to suggest. How did you find the guy who prescribed the OxyContin? I'd expect doctors to be more leery of that (especially with the recent bad publicity) than of buprenorphine.
>
> I'll think on it and let you know if I come up with any ideas other than those that have been mentioned. I'm very sorry that you're stuck in this situation; it's quite scary not to know how you can get the medication you need. I really do hope that you can figure out a way to treat your depression.
>
> As always, you have my best wishes.
>
> -elizabeth
Posted by sally green on June 11, 2002, at 7:50:00
In reply to Re: buprenex grey market -- Reese, posted by cisco on February 15, 2002, at 17:15:25
Have you experienced problems with xxx Website? I have been trying to get in there for many days. Do you know the price of their Buprenex Ampules?
Thanks
Sally> What am I missing here: This Doctor will write Class II prescriptions all day long. She's terrified of issuing a Class V script, but will help her patient obtain this same drug under false pretenses in the Grey Market? Who is in greater need of counseling here, the Doc or the patient?
>
> BTW: $260 will buy you 200 0.2mg SL tabs via a reliable Online Pharmacy. Out of curiosity, how many 0.3mg/ml ampuoles will You get for 3 C notes?
>
> Cisco
Posted by sally green on June 11, 2002, at 8:05:38
In reply to reese to cisco, posted by reese1 on February 18, 2002, at 16:12:59
Hey Cisco:
You seem to be the person who knows about this Buprenex crap. I originally started using Bup for detox from Oxycotin, after suffering 20 years from injuries and pain. However, I am currently attending a detox which I now know is operating illegally! they start everyone as a detox patient, charge you $1250.00, never detox anyone, turn everyone into a pain management patient and keep them on Buprenex for as many years as they can. Each monthly appt is costing from $475.00 to, one one buddy is so addicted to Buprenex now he is paying about $800.00 per month. There is alot of information for anyone wanting to know about Buprenex. I am planning on leaving this scam joint and starting treatment with my family physian and letting him prescribe the Buprenex. Do I see from your postings that you have checked prices at xxx?
Thanks
Sally
> > Dear Reese:
> >
> > I am very sorry you are having to endure so much unnecessary pain and torment. How utterly ridiculous! But so typical. The Doctors have the keys to the medicine cabinet, and they KNOW it. It dosen't matter how inept, inane or incompetent, they are. They will put up some meds, if you shut up.
> >
> > How long are we willing to take this? How long do we have to? Hey, the times they be a changeling....
> >
> > >>>>>BTW = By The Way<<<<<
> >
> > Buprenorphine Pricing:
> >
> > Are you really paying that much?
> > $135.00 for 30 amps x 0.3mg/ml, is what, $4.50 per dose of 300 micrograms? OUCH!
> > Thats as much as the rip-off Mexican Farmacias in Tijuana! Gee-Willickers and Gosh!
> >
> > By comparison, most Online Pharmacy's (OP's) charge considerably less, mg for mg. Most OP's offer 200 microgram sublingual tabs (0.2mg) rather than the 300 microgram injectible ampuoles (0.3mg/ml).
> >
> > BTW, They both work well. However, the SL Tabs are more discreet, if you are dosing at work, for instance.
> >
> > Online Pricing starts out at $.70 cents each ($70.00 per 100 tabs), up to $1.50 each ($150.00 per 100 tabs). Available at 5 OP's, of varying reliability and price.
> >
> > Take care, and be smart.
> >
> > Cisco
>
>
>
> hey man/women thank you so much for the words and care. &*^*& i never like to say out loud how i feel. it's fear. then it will be true. it's been a long time. i am tired. i have support. financially it's a killer. not just "financial" but the humility of not working. bla bla bla
Posted by Sally Green on June 11, 2002, at 14:25:40
In reply to Re: sidetrack from Addiction » reese1, posted by shelliR on March 14, 2002, at 11:47:08
Shelli:
Glad you are feeling well. I read pretty good! Lol! Have you had any luck finding the Buprenex at a lesser price. First, outside of dealing with xxx, Walgreens price is 5.99 per ampul. I know, really expensive! I am on Buprenex for pain and it really helps. But the possibility of addiction to this drug is also great.
There are several sites that offer assistance, based on income, in paying for the drugs and can pay the entire fee for you if you meet their requirements. One site is www.needymeds.com. They have a short application and $5.00 fee and all of the necessary instructions on how to proceed. I have not tried them yet. I quess it is worth the risk for $5.00, but the post office box sort of throws you off.
Please let me know if you are purchasing the Buprenex for less than 5.99 and if so where, or if you should find it cheaper. I will keep you in mind and do the same for you.
Thanks
Sally
Posted by Dr. Bob on June 11, 2002, at 18:58:03
In reply to Re: buprenex grey market -- Reese, posted by sally green on June 11, 2002, at 7:50:00
> Have you experienced problems with xxx Website? I have been trying to get in there for many days...
Please don't use this site to exchange information on how to import into the US prescription medication without a prescription:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#illegal
Thanks,
Bob
PS: Follow-ups regarding posting policies, or complaints about posts, should be redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration; otherwise, they may be deleted.
Posted by Sally Green on June 11, 2002, at 20:26:18
In reply to Re: medication without a prescription » sally green, posted by Dr. Bob on June 11, 2002, at 18:58:03
Sorry Dr. Bob.
Sally
Posted by ShelliR on June 11, 2002, at 21:47:04
In reply to Re: sidetrack from Addiction, posted by Sally Green on June 11, 2002, at 14:25:40
Hi Sally,
Not only did I not find medication overseas any cheaper, but they confiscated my order. So I went through sudden withdrawal. Now I am going to a pain doctor and he is prescribing another opiate.
On the positive side, sublingual buprenorphine is supposed to be approved very shortly. The FDA has been saying this forever, but my friend was offered a job with a consulting company who worked on the protocol to dispense buprenorphine and they say it's really going to happen any time now.
Doctors will have to apply for a license to use it for detox, but then it will involve just going to their office to get a script. I don't believe there will be any restrictions using it for pain management. Actually, I didn't find it any less addictive than other opiates, but it's not supposed to make you high. (Actually none of the opiates make me high) Anyway, my understanding is that NIMH funded the development of the sublingual version of buprenorphine in this country. It will be interesting to see if this has an inpact on the cost. If it is released, I would like to switch back to it, but only because it sounds better to say partial opiate, than I'm taking oxycontin, for example. Also I think I would worry less about habituation since it will be used for detox at rather high levels.
Good luck,
Shelli
Posted by reese1 on June 12, 2002, at 11:35:38
In reply to Re: medication without a prescription, posted by Sally Green on June 11, 2002, at 20:26:18
hello,
it's been some time since i have posted. i read some of sally green's posts and found them very intresting and full of rage and pain which i found to be very very appropriate. my expierence with buprenex was so inconsistent and confusing i don't know what to say. one day it seemed to work. the next nothing. one day it would make me, at least to other's eyes, manic, others sad.
i know it seemed to have some speed effect on me. a feeling like staying up all night drinking and sleping three or four hours. and you wake up with all that sugar running in your system. buprenex made me feel like that. but even that was better than regular.
so where am i now? nowhere else.
when i read that they were going to finally "legalize" buprenex without iv i thought that is great. to me anything is great. medications are to the point where they are beyond laughable. it's a cyclical fuck you that goes around and around, through the pens of the doctors, the rules of the MDA, and the companies of creating. adn when it is finally complete. complete meaning something we are not allowed ot understand. we can run like little children to the candy store, hoping, praying, for this one to help us breathe freely, walk easily, think hopefullly, anything but living in this cracked broken museum. where everyone's make up has worn off, showers are broken, clocks tick louder and thicker each day. each and everyone's eyes glue to the hands that turn the dial of time that we are trapped into being a part of. please pill give me the ability to just walk out side. please pill give the power to pick up the phone. please pill give me the power to stop this pounding that wants nothing more than for me to chope myself in two. please pill make me what i used to be. please pill just give me a day full of silence where i am not scared of everything but my shadow. since it has disapeered long times ago.
i take
lithium
neurontin
adderall
risperdal
clonzapan
celexa
they help. but i wake up each day with nothing to do. i can't work. if i did work i would fuck up my SSI disability. which i was just rejected so i ahve to appeal. i went through five tests of there's. flunking each one but still they denied me.what works? i don't know
what doesn't work? i know tha much better
i feel for everyone who writes here. it has only been ten years since i was forced to join the pill army. since then there have been ups and downs. now there is nothng. a numbness. that is all. if something hits me. a feeeling. it seems to be addressed by everything but me. but still i have the feeling of wanting to cry. and that has not been blackked out yet. i used to write five hundred poems a year on my computer. i looked under 2001 and there were maybe twenty. and they were bad. i wrote one play and twenty poems.
i hate writing. you have nothing around you but the pile of weight you sit on which is connected only to you. the one thing you want to get away from
that is why i have always found my deepest and most pounding drug to be acting. if only i could find another part. for those three four months i am free. nothing hurts as much as now.
sorry for the long rambling pompous lettergood luck everyone
and i hope for whatever' sakes buprenex becomes legalized. it's all a bunch of bullshit anyway. in terms of what get's approved and what doesn't.
Posted by Sally green on June 12, 2002, at 17:31:53
In reply to Re: sidetrack from Addiction » Sally Green, posted by ShelliR on June 11, 2002, at 21:47:04
Hi Shelli:
Thanks for the letter. First, Buprenex is approved and has been for over 10 years for use
in pain management and depression. I have a PDR that is from 1994 and it is there. Only not for detox. If you would like to email me at my home: heartofgold@worldnet.att.net, there is a US pharmacy that sells Buprenex for 2.72 per ampul. I could not believe it. They sell 30 for about 87.00 and 90 for about 249.00. If you would like to chat I'll will be happy to give you the sites etc. Dr. Bob already warned me about discussing foreign sites, but just in case. I am going to get away from this clinic because I know that it is only a matter of time and these folks are nabbed. Am going to my family doctor tomarrow to request that he prescribe the Buprenex.Thanks
Sally
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