Posted by smokeymadison on January 17, 2005, at 19:11:51
In reply to Re: Folk Psychology and the Nature of Belief. » smokeymadison, posted by alexandra_k on January 17, 2005, at 18:52:30
> > What are delusions, if not beliefs?
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> Here are some other options that have been considered:
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> (1) Empty speech acts (meaningless ravings).
> (2) 'Imaginings misidentified as beliefs' (Gregory Currie).
> (3) Expressions of experience (it is controversial whether this would count as a belief. Depends on how one wants to interpret / whether one wants to agree with some Wittgenstinean stuff about beliefs having to be capable of being false. Because expressions of experience are not capable of being false (if genuine) they might not count as beliefs).
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I like #2 too. I take everything a person says seriously, even if it doesn't make sense, so i don't like #1. Number 3 doesn't make any sense to me.> The second one is the one that I am thinking of... What is an 'imagining'? Sounds like a 'fantasy' to me...
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> Someone or other wrote that delusional subjects have become enmeshed in their own solipsistic world. They are using words with different meanings from the standard ones. They have become enmeshed in their own world. But it is still left what this 'solipsistic enmeshment' amounts to. Maybe this means that we cannot attribute a content (so delusional utterances are empty or meaningless speech acts).
>i think that delusional subjects have become enmeshed in their own world. My roommate, the one who expressed the Cotard delusion, certainly seemed to be all inside her own head, if that makes any sense. The outside world, for her, might as well not have even existed. But i think that they mean what they say. i don't think that the meanings of the words have changed. instead, they are speaking about what they are experiencing in thier own minds, not what is happening in the world outside of them.
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