Posted by musky on April 12, 2006, at 1:36:32
In reply to Re: mirtazapine/remeron updates?, posted by SLS on April 6, 2006, at 16:12:42
> >Thanks for your comments Scott
Firstly what is MDD? and the state of the brain and the state of the mind are one in the same i think.. When you say state of the brain(in what context).. because they havent specifically come out and said... chemical"X" is for sure 100% responsible for depression..
Remember too that when they say one has clinical depression , that just means you fit the little flow chart that the doctor goes by.. Im sure if you were to give the survey to the next 100 people on the street ,, that every other one would come out as clinically depressed according to "some" questionare...
I think MAJORITY of people can be helped with out meds, and that less than 1% of the population has an actual organic disease of the brain(your psychotic killer, or maybe schizophrenia, which that even is still up for debate).where they have to be treated by meds..
Because when you really look out thee so many people are now prescibed meds for so many ailments from isomnia to pain to dermatitis and are given a/d for this?? this doesnt make sense as now we have drugs that are affecting the serontonin(supposedly) that now have a use for everything??? When they say they are SELECTIVE serontoin reuptake inhibitors, where is all this SELECTIVITY now when they prescribe it all over for so many DIVERSE things.
But again... if the so called clinical depression theory is true and needs biological intervention , I look at it this way... biological intervention doesnt necessarily mean drugs... They have never proven that there is a DIRECT correllation with a/d and effect on SPECIFIC chemicals in the brain resulting in a DIRECT effect on mood.
It has been proven however with cognitive behavioral therapy (much proven clinical trials) which is just changing the way you think(voluntarily), can have a drastic effect on mood . and is much more effective for mood disorders , etc, than medication. For example just think of when you are excited about something or suddenly scared... just by thinking this you can directly affect the body's physiological response ... ie the adrenaline that is released when we are scared, etc. It has been shown countless times that simple meditation (just controlling ones thoughts) can directly affect ones heartrate etc.. so to me that is proof and i have personally been able to get myself out of a panic or anxiety attack by simply THINKING differently.
I dont believe that MOOD cannot be controlled by the mind.. one just has to believe it.. We CHOOSE how we think,, I dont think that it is the other way around and we have no choice because of some biological response,,
Not to say that imbalances such as poor diet etc, yes all contribute to the mood, but the root cause of our emotions are our thoughts and attitudes.. everything else is just parts of the system.
Im hope im not sounding confusing.
I am trying not to be biased , based on my own personal experience, however there are many many others who will agree with this theory and the very fact that so many are trying to kick the a/d world says something.
Again if A/d are so helpful ... I ask how come so many are still depressed and anxious..I believe the war against mood disorders etc. is being fought with the wrong tools..
If one believes they are mentally depressed they will be... if one believes they are a vicim of depression, they will be.. I choose to NOT be on my a/d .. I have been struggling with this and if there are other ways to be happy , which i believe there are.. then i will take the chance
sorry to ramble
you must believe in your way too I guess.. but for me Im not suffering from side effects just to try to balance the mood.. I never took drugs before this time and managed all my life without so why would i need to now.. I think its just someones theory and I became a guinea pig..
Good luck to you with your struggle..
I know what im doing....Musky
Try not to think that you NEED the lexapro.. thats where we all get stuck here...
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> Mind over matter?
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> > I think the real key to get drug free is to not believe in the drug... period...
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> It is wonderful that this approach has worked for you.
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> > I know you may have life issues but we all do
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> No one would dispute this.
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> > and must learn somehow to deal with on our own..
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> Or with the help of others.
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> > that is what will make us strong..
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> > NOT the drug.. just our mind.
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> The state of the mind is dependent on the state of the brain. Perhaps there is nothing wrong with yours. The same cannot be said for everyone who suffers from MDD.
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> I believe that a sizeable percentage of people who are clinically depressed need a biological intervention. I believe that this is true as passionately as you believe that it is not. I guess each of us has acquired a bias based on our own personal experiences.
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> Not all depressions are biological. Not all depressions are psychological. I try not to speak for everyone.
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> - Scott
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