Posted by spriggy on November 28, 2005, at 14:11:14
In reply to Re: sorry, disagree about what? » spriggy, posted by alexandra_k on November 27, 2005, at 22:53:19
ahhhh.. this copy and paste dialogue is fun isn't it? ROFL ;)
Here, tis' my turn:
"ah. logic. i unpacked the notion of omni-god and found myself a contradiction ;-)"
Could you explain the contradiction you found?Is it that a Holy, loving, and just God knowing all things' could not allow pain and suffering?
Just wondering- that was my "biggie" with the Big man too. ;)
"I wonder...
Whether it might have been possible for you to have come to that WITHOUT believing in god..."Nope... not at all for me. It's like trying to feed a hungry person with an empty fork. :)
"Is it that you *KNOW* god exists???
Or it is that you *BELIEVE* god exists???"
Trust me... I KNOW He exists. He has proven Himself WAAAY too real to me to ever deny Him. My husband has loved me unconditionally for nearly 8 years now- has proven his love to me over and over, because he has proven himself to me, I could not deny for one second that his love for me is real.Same thing with God. I could share my "epiphany" moment with you if you would like- it was nothing short of miraculous.
I should say, that I realize it's politcally correct to say, " whatever you believe is true for you" but I have a different view on that.
I could believe all day long that Whinnie the Pooh is God and when I die I will go to Pooh Land. However, when I take my last breathe, no matter how much I believed it, it won't get me to Pooh Land.
So, either you believe it *because* it is true, OR you believe it is *true* simply becuase you believe it.
I don't think for one second God is God becuase I have chosen to believe in Him. If I never believed in Him or called on His name or acknowledged Him, He would still be just as real. I've never seen Mars, touched it, felt it, or landed on it- I could chose to not believe it but it is still there.
"That my conscious experience will cease...
That there will be no more pain."
I understand that philosphy- I held that belief myself as well at one time. :)I guess, I would question you though that as much as you believe in this ( or actually maybe not since you said you don't know), what would happen if death came to you and you realized you were wrong?
And yes, you could ask me the same question. :) fair game.
"There is more than one route to peace?"
Can you live a peaceful existence and life without God? I don't doubt that. Can you know complete peace? No, I don't think so. Because I believe until we know our Creator, we always search and long.This is so cliche' but what the heck', there was a song:
"there's a God shaped hole in all of us, and the restless soul is searching. There's a God shaped hole in all of us, it's a void.. that only He can fill."
I believe that- you can fill that void with all sorts of things, but in the end, I think you end up empty.
I know, I tried it. :)
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