Posted by toojane on January 31, 2007, at 8:27:16
In reply to Re: 'Not always a cry for help' -, posted by one woman cine on January 31, 2007, at 7:47:00
> "I think the way psychiatric professionals treat you after a suicide attempt is criminal. Try to do those kinds of things to a "sane" person and they'd be jailed so fast their heads would spin."
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> This statement you made is a big assumption and generalization.
No. This statement I made is from personal experience and absolutely true. I did not make a "cry for help" I tried to kill myself because I wanted to die and unfortunately I failed and was committed. The things that happened to me while I was committed against my will on a psych ward were criminal. The fact that I would avoid such "help" at all costs is not because I am in a "power struggle" with anyone.What I was trying to convey is that I think the problem lies within the system, not in accessing it.
I used a metaphor of cookies to say that instead of their looking at their own recipe and making changes to make them more edible, they sit and say we have these delicious cookies and no one is eating them. Their solution is to force people to consume them.
> I posted the article because it spoke of community, accountability and how to reduce the completion of suicide. It was an alternative view of a difficult subject.I found the article offensive. Especially the part about the "challenge to the student's privilege to heap violence upon himself." If the writer/researcher wants to talk about community responsibility, I want to know where the community was when many of these suicidal people were being horribly abused to the extent that they are traumatized to the point where they want to die. The dynamics of self-abuse are complicated and that sentence is rife with judgement and ignorance.
> "The assumption that if you don't want to have anything to do with them, it MUST be because you are power tripping in some kind of self-important power struggle is laughable."
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> I don't think this statement is fair either. I find nothing funny about suicide and the attending issues.I agree. There is nothing funny about suicide. But I found myself laughing sadly at the assumptions being made in the article.
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