Posted by zazenduck on April 17, 2006, at 12:34:02
In reply to Marra's book » zazenduck, posted by pseudoname on April 14, 2006, at 10:03:14
> Hey, zazenduck.
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> BTW, I like your name.
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> Here's a link to the book: "Depressed and Anxious" (I think it wanted an ampersand in the long title; never can tell with these.)
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> > I bought it some time ago and didn't like it then but I picked it up again and this time it's more useful.
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> That happens to me, too. I should probably look at Linehan's stuff again because my perspectives have changed a little since I read it.
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> Marra's first chapter on Amazon, about the link between depression and anxiety, is pretty interesting to me because just in the last week I've realized how much my own depression is linked to fear. In my case, fear of criticism.
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> I am PARALYZED from brushing my teeth or taking out the trash or reading a book, because I think I'll be opening myself up to savage criticism. For not doing it as well as everybody else or only getting around to it now or whatever. It's insane
Yes the book talks about the dialectic between depression and anxiety. Anxiety is saying take action fight or flight something must be done and at the same time depression is saying there is no hope nothing can be done withdraw. And the result is that feeling of paralysis.
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> I've only realized this recently because of the success of my antidepressant (buprenorphine / Subutex) and what little work I've done applying mindful acceptance. (Linehan has written books & articles with the mindful acceptance people.)
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> Marra's first chapter goes into DSM-like categories, which I already know. It doesn't give a sample of what kind of interventions he's talking about, which I'd be really interested in. Is it similar skills training as with borderlines?
Yes very similiar. I haven't read the whole book but it does much the same. It's a little easier to read as it's written as a self help book rather than a manual for a class. And there is less mention of early childhood genesis of the problems. He does include the same things as Linehan suggesting a biosocial cause but he said the invalidating environment could also be within your own self rather than in the outside environment-the tendency to anxiety (action) is invalidating the tendency to depression(passivity). I thought that was an interesting take.I've also been interested in mindfulness and it is something I want to do with or without therapy.
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> I'm glad you posted this. (Although I'm criticizing myself savagely for replying. And using too many parentheses. And not getting the "MAD" acronym 'til just now. And writing too long a post. And... And... LOL)Thanks for replying and for fixing the link. I criticize myself too-I thought about just not posting since I couldn't do the link right.
Isn't that the perfect acronym! If it's not official it certainly should be :)
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