Posted by Tamar on May 15, 2005, at 18:19:44
In reply to Re: Would it help to teach some CBT for kids in school » Tamar, posted by alexandra_k on May 15, 2005, at 17:28:09
> Oh. I mean informing kids of relevant facts. Some people think that you shouldn't tell kids about sex because then they will go out and do it. That teaching them what it is etc is seen to condone it. To make contraception available to them is seen to condone it. To say that they need to make up their own mind is frowned upon by people who think there is only one right answer. So often the teaching isn't focused on information (and the critical assessment of that information) it is focused on attempting to instill morals (e.g., Don't have sex before marriage.)
Ah yes, I see what you mean now. I must admit, I worry a little about what my own kids will be taught about sex at school. I'm amazed, for example, at how quickly heteronormativity becomes an issue. When my eldest was four she already thought that it wasn't possible for a man to have a boyfriend - until I pointed out to her that she actually knew men with boyfriends... Sigh.
> > > Condoms being porous and all ;-)
>
> > Hah! I know all about that! Having planned two children, we recently welcomed number three into the family. From now on it'll be double thickness contraception...
>
> Ah.
> They can break.
> But thats not about them being porous.
> Thats about them breaking.
> You are also supposed to use spermicide with them.
> (Lots of people don't know that).
> It also pays not to be tooo vigourous.
> You should know if something has gone wrong.
> That gives you time to get the morning after pill.
> Or to be on the pill or depo or have a diaphram as an emergency back up incase of breakage.That's all very well if they break. But mine didn't break. They're just not 100% effective, even if used with spermicide. Nothing is 100% effective, I guess.
> I was thinking...
> I was thinking...
>
> About the church in a certain state who teaches that all synthetic material is porous. Condoms are made from synthetic material. Therefore condoms are porous. Therefore the sperm just goes right on through the material and people get STD's and get pregnant. Therefore it is pointless to use condoms and one should be abstinent before marriage otherwise one is like a used toothbrush. And nobody wants to use another persons toothbrush because you don't know where it has been.Well, that's bad science and faulty logic. It's true that contraception isn't 100% effective, but that doesn't mean it's pointless. My own theory about sex education is based in something like realpolitik. More acceptance of pleasure and less instilling of fear would be a good start.
> The kids aren't properly informed about how STD's are transmitted.
> They don't realise that oral sex and sodomy counts as a sexual act with respect to STD's at the very least.
> And they don't think that condoms are of any use anyway.
>
> Pretty high STD rates over there.....I think of this from a parental perspective nowadays, and I find increasing STD rates quite disturbing. It's bizarre to me that people think kids won't have sex if they aren't taught about it. I just don't see the logic. Don't they remember what it felt like to be fifteen?
I guess I can understand that people want their children to accept their sexual morals. But that's probably best done by setting an example rather than withholding information.
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