Posted by bleauberry on March 28, 2010, at 8:49:29
In reply to Re: New Health Bill Passed Ammended Hour Later, posted by desolationrower on March 25, 2010, at 23:31:22
> well i am a (former) law student, and i can say this bill is totally constitutional. at least under current law, though foaming-at-the-mouth teabaggers and the politicians wanting their votes might say otherwise.
I respect that, but in all honesty would base my personal stance on an experienced law professional not a former student.
The dozen or so Attorneys Generals who have challenged the bill must know something you don't know.
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> i doubt Roberts and his crew will invalidate it, not because they are particularly disinclined to keep current law where it is (not that i think that is bad, in the abstract), but because this is the most conservative possible option that get to (almost) universal care and cost control.No the most conservative method would be:
1. Cut taxes across the board to get millions of people back into paychecks.
2. Slash the laws that prohibit competition within the insurance industry. The ability to cross state lines and shop around. Competition brings prices down and starts new innovative companies to serve unaddressed customer bases, every time it is tried.
3. People get insane amounts of money for lawsuits of frivolous medical complications. Laws need to put a limit on that. A third of a doctor's income goes to his malractice insurance. That's where excess cost is, and doesn't need to be that way. Easy to stop.
4. Leave the currently insured alone. Set up a safety net for the others, which actually most states already have.
5. Avoid anything other nationalized healthcare countries have done...don't do what they do...and do not follow examples of failed programs such as Massachusetts healthcare. Avoid these things, why? Because they fail every single time they are attempted, and they are currently on display for all to see that. Why anyone would want to ignore what is right in front of them, and go ahead and do it anyway, has got to be the definition of insanity.There is no cost control in the current bill. Hiring 10,000 new IRS agents, creating untold panels to decide what you and your doctor used to decide....these are not cost controls, these cost big bucks.
Years ago I had blood drawn at the doctor's office as part of routine visit. These days, that is rare. They instead send you to a nearby hospital or lab to have the bloodwork done. So your insurance is not only paying for the office visit, but for a separate additional bill above and beyond, from the place who took your blood. There are hundreds of such details in the daily routine workings of medicine that can be streamlined to cut costs dramatically.
What cost control will come to is this. You're 65 years old. You aint gonna work again. You not only have diabetes, but now some kind of cancer. You have good odds of recovery with this cancer. But the meds are really costly, and you are old anyway, you aint gonna be productive again, so is that white coat panel going to deem you as being a cost effective way to spend big bucks? I don't think so. Would Blue Cross have done it for you? Yes.
What does nationalized health care cost control look like in Canada, our neighbor? Long waiting lists. Months. Willingly pay cash out of pocket to visit USA instead. Hospital corridors lined with unattended patients laying in their own filth for days. Re-using disposable supplies. These are the kinds of cost controls that happen in nationalized health care.
Mathematically, it is unsustainable. It takes but a 6th grader education to figure that out. That is why it never works. It always runs out of money. The results are always opposite the claimed greatness.
People seem to slam insurance companies. Hey, what's wrong with a profit? If you had your own business, would you want a profit or a loss? Are you jealous someone else worked for success and you didn't get there? Profit is what makes innovation and improvement happen. The lack of it stops improvement and innovation.
So we are upset at Anthem for a desired 40% increase in premiums. Obviously, even I am knarling at that one. But let's get a little deeper into it and see what's going on. Millions upon millions have lost jobs. That means they aren't paying health insurance premiums anymore. The cost of running business is now left to far fewer customers. Anyone need any additional economics or mathematics to figure out why such a large price hike? T
The obvious thing is to point a finger and say, "Greedy!" But, that aint it. They lost a ton of customers to the Obauma depression, formerly the Bush recession.
Sidetrack for a moment. What ever happened to Obauma's pledge a month ago to "focus on the economy like a laser beam"???
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> "If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you could possibly imagine."That pretty much describes liberals. Despite their claimed love for equality and people, they are instead mired in hate, lies, and deception. When it comes to winning a piece of legislation, it is not about helping the people. It is not about the people's will. It is about, pure and simple, screwing the opponent, and getting as many people as possible dependent on the government. This health care bill is liberalism on display. It is lies and deception that looks like roses and diamonds on the outside, but is rotting sewer on the inside.
Liberalism never works. Neither does nationalized health. Look to any example desired.
I sometimes wonder if there is a genetic component. Liberals are all about emotion, not logic and not facts. It's all feelings based. Ignore truths, embrace emotions. Well, you know how some people get a rush out of a roller coaster ride, others don't want anything to do with it? Everyone has something that gets their pleasure adrenaline going? Well, with liberals, I think it is power over other people that does that. They get goosebumps, chills up the spine, waves of euphoria, by winning something, anything, that allows them to control your life. It's a high to them. That's why their heroes are commonly found in the history books of China or Cuba.
Sorry to go so long here. Healthcare improvement and healthcare for everyone would be totally awesome and totally achievable. Just won't happen with this bill. Mark my words, the opposite will happen. It will cost more than your current insurance does, you'll get less care than before, and people will still fall through the cracks. It will take the best medical system on the planet along with its problems and turn it into a lesser system with more problems than it started with.
Happens every time. Otherwise I wouldn't speak with such surety.
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