Posted by Lou Pilder on December 8, 2004, at 13:38:57
In reply to Re: Lou's reply to rayww- » Lou Pilder, posted by rayww on December 8, 2004, at 11:51:38
rayww,
You wrote,[...If you wish to...thats fine, ...don't call me anti-semitic...].
I would not do so, nor have I done so. This faith board is governed by guidlines that posts are not to have the potential to put down those of other faiths. It could be considered that the statement that you had in your offered link,[...dwindling of the jews in unbelief. And after they had slain thier Messiah...] could be referring to jews as a race or a religion, for the referrence to the jews killing their Messiah has historically been to be about 2000 years ago in the area that was called Israel. To then see the other statement, [...after {they} had dwindled in unbelief they became dark, and loathsome, and filthy people, full of idleness and all manner of abominations...], I believe that there is the potential for some to think that the {they} in the verses mentioned are the jews.The Sephardic jews were dark people that went to Spain. I have friends that are Sephardic jews. I have had an English language expert examine these statements and there was no question that one could think that the {they} in the statements are the jews.
You write that the jews in the statement are {...Joseph in America...]. But the statement also writes ,[...after they had slain the Messiah...]. So IMO , it could be considered that these jews are the jews that [...slain the Messiah...]. The statement goes on to write,[...after he had been slain he should rise from the dead...]. That , according to the history of the world took place around 2000 years ago, in what was called Israel according to what I understand about Christiandom teaching to be 3 days and 3 nights after he was buried.
Since this is the teaching of this, I feel that there is the potential for many people to think that the event was around 2000 years ago in what was called Israel at that time, occupied by the Romans, the jews being under Roman authority. I am not a member of christiandom but the use of any statement that connects the jews slaying their messiah has been asociated as being in the time period of around 2000 years ago, and jews for 2000 years or so have objected to the use of statements that have the potential to be interpreted as the jews killing their Messiah. I believe that this forum has goals for support and rules that say that it is unacceptable for statements to be posted here that have the potential to be unsupportive or to put down those of other faiths or statements that have the potential to arrouse anti-anything feelings.
I feel that the statement by you in question have the potential that if they are not addressed to be unacceptable,to have the potential to arrouse antisemitic feelings. That does not mean that you are antisemitic. Dr Hsiung had posted a statement by Jean Jacques Rouesseau that I felt could have the potential to arrouse anti-Christian feelings. That does not mean that Dr. Hsiung is anti-Christian, and he agreed to remove the statement from being linked to the text and wrote that I had a right objection to the statement. A poster here posted a statement that I thought had the potential to arrouse antisemitic feelings by referring to the God of the old testament, which is the God of the Jews, as cantankerous and vengefull. That does not mean that the poster is antisemitic and Dr. Hsiung agreed with me that the statement had the potential to put down those that had that God, which includes the jews.
I do not consider you to be anti-semitic because I feel that something that you posted in an offered link has the potential to arrouse anti-semitic feelings. There is a procedure that a poster here can use to write to another poster that they feel that what is written has the potential to be unacceptable here in relation to the guidlines of the forum which is to post, like I have,a request to the poster to examine that guidlines for posting here and I did so after I had made a request to the moderator to examine the statements.
It is not my intention to [...looking for a trap..?], as you asked. I am looking for clarification in my requests for such so that I can have the opportunity to respond accordingly.
Lou
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