Posted by Larry Hoover on May 17, 2005, at 7:29:45
In reply to Re: HELP! Enteric endocrine problems from psych m, posted by Krumcake on May 16, 2005, at 14:36:37
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> > Thanks so much for all of your input Larry, after reading some of your other posts, I was hoping you'd chime in :)You're welcome.
> To answer your questions:
> When he eats any raw vegetables, they come through looking like you chewed them up, and that's it! His pain is not temporarily relieved by bowel movements, or really by anything! He in in constant pain (about a 7 on a scale of 1-10) all the time. Now, several things could bump that number up to an 8 or 9, like eating, physical activity or stress.Has he had biopsies?
> We have tried different enzyme supplements, with no relief, but then, we found the best of all supplements an organic hemp protein shake, whose ingredients included, probiotics, omegas 3-6, enzymes, amino acids, vitamins and minerals. It was called Shape Shift from Living Harvest. Keith used this product for 3 months, and experienced total remission of symptoms! Then, they discontinued that product. AAAAHHHHGGGGHHHHH!!!
That totally blows.
> I am in the process now, of trying to find out how to duplicate the effects of that product by combining several different products - and well, (thousands of dollars later), hopefully, I'll find the right combo.
Thousands of dollars?!? Wowsers. The stuff doesn't seem too complicated.
"ShapeShift (TM) is a Complete, Low-Carb, Vegan food combination containing the finest Raw, Organic ingredients. A whole food meal that is extraordinarily Balanced with all Essential Amino Acids, Essential Fatty Acids, Vitamins, Minerals, Probiotics, Enzymes and Anti-oxidants. The Ultimate Meal Replacement providing true nutrition AND true convenience.
Ingredients: Hemp Protein*, Dried (Carrots*, Broccoli*, Spinach*, Beets*, Zucchini*, Asparagus*, Black Radish*, Parsley*, Celery*, Orange* and Lemon*), Proprietary Enzyme Blend, Hydrilla Rooting Algae, Chicory Root Oligofructose, Fennel seed *. Gluten Free.
* Organic Ingredients "The base material is their own hemp seed protein meal. They've added some dehydrated vegetable flakes or powders (all of which can be obtained.....see below), some of their enzyme blend (sold on the same page as the hemp), some Hydrilla (what that is in there for, I have no idea.....but it's not an algae. It's an aquarium plant that is clogging lakes and rivers everywhere, as an exotic alien plant.) Chicory root and fennel are easy to find.
There are no exotic ingredients (ones that are hard to locate). It just depends on how they are proportioned into the mix. Note the veggies are not alphabetical. That's because they're in mass sequence, more added to less added. How much is going to be a guess, but the ingredients are not that hard to find.
I did a quick google on dried vegetable powder, and I came up with these American sources. (There are many overseas sources):
http://www.bulkfoods.com/cooking.asp#Dried%20Vegetables
http://www.myspicer.com/index.html?/Data_Returns/listbytype.php?id=2&tname=Dried%20Vegetables
http://www.barryfarm.com/veggies.htm
http://www.morningsidefarm.com/catalog/catpg73.shtmlAnd, if you're ready to get an ingredient at any price (this is an expensive source):
http://www.sciencelab.com/page/S/CTGY/23049Because the law requires all ingredients be listed, there are no other things in that hemp smoothie mix. I think you can come up with your own. Moreover, as the product is now withdrawn from market, you *may* be able to prevail upon the folks at Living Harvest to tell you how much of each ingredient they used.
There's a totally different angle to consider, too. The lack of digestion may indicate achlorhydria (no stomach acid), or hypochlorhydria (low stomach acid). With persistent digestive complaints, that also contributes to general malnutrition, also associated with those low acid conditions. A classic vicious circle.
The treatment involves betaine hydrochloride, the pineapple enzyme bromelain, and vitamin B12 megadoses. It's possible that the beet powder in the hemp mix had a good amount of betaine in it (that's where the name came from; beet is beta in latin). I see down below you are thinking of over-methylation. Low stomach acid is an under-methylation problem. Betaine is a methyl donor. So is the B-12. And, I'm presuming there is intake of other nutrients, as from a multi-vitamin/mineral supplement.
> > Automatic surgical behaviour - yes indeed! And I absolutely agree with the idea that his entire gut, including flora, enzymes, amino acids, and as a result of all of the former, now even the hormones that regulate everything are all out of whack.
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> The Doctors naturally don't lend any validity to any of this and have not done testing for it - because by now, they think we are just nutz.Unfortunately, some fall through the cracks. That's how I landed in alternative land.
> This is what has led me to alternative options. Thank you for the recommendation of the Kirkmann products, we will give them a try.
I find their attitude and performance to be of refreshingly and exemplary high quality.
> We have tried elimination diets, with not much improvement (he aviods dairy anyway) - the gluten issue is soooo hard to accomplish, but we are willing to give it another run.
Given the success of the hemp shake thing, I'd be working on that angle the hardest.
> Psych meds are still suspect, and eventually, we would like to see those go too, but like you said, chicken or the egg?Indeed. I have some pretty disabling bowel problems. I find, though, that when my general psych condition declines, my vulnerability to the bowel stuff increases. I'm simply and generally more vulnerable. As my resiliency increases, it becomes easier for me to simply forget to control my bowel triggers. They tend to co-vary, but they do not have the same management procedures.
> Thank you so much for your input, I really appreciate it. It's so great to have someone to bounce stuff off of - besides my husband, who is sick of hearing me talk about Cholecystokinin and Gastric Inhibitory Peptide! :)Oh, but you say those with such authority. And, the way they roll of your tongue. ;-)
> We now have another issue regarding pain pill addiction that is surfacing because of all this.Addiction, or tolerance? Not the same thing.
There are things you can do to manage that, too. I have to get to work, but I wanted to post this to you, first.
> I'll have to post that all later, but a quick question... If someone fits the criteria for "over-methylation" - should they maybe not be perscribed methadone? Or are the two totally unrelated? Again, THANKS!
Unrelated in any way that I can think of. That's the "off the top of my head" answer. I will verify later.
Best,
Lar
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