Posted by tealady on September 14, 2003, at 4:41:37
In reply to Re: Larry Hoover: re how much non-fish-oil Omega 3 » tealady, posted by Larry Hoover on August 27, 2003, at 13:53:25
Hi Lar,
Just getting around to some replies!
> > OK, so you'd have to cut the amount you are taking..probably no more than one capsule, once or twice a week to start with for a few months.
> > Pounding heart usually signals increased T3 activity to me..may be other causes..anyway..it's a possibility as fish oil supposedly can increase T3 receptor efficiency
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> That's quite a reasonable explanation. Thanks! Her body will have adapted to whatever her old enzyme efficiency was, and the increase in efficiency with supplemented omega-3s would be indistinguishable from hyperthyroid symptoms.
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> Indeed, a reduced dose, gradually raised over a lengthy time frame, is a darn good idea.
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> >Fish oil may be different to flax seed or walnuts (both have omega3)...even just swallow drop of fish oil..or eat some sardines/ salmon 3 times a week is the better way to go?
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> I definitely think the latter idea is also worth trying.
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> > > I tried flax seed oil and seemed to get acne, too. I am getting ready to try it again. I didn't keep taking it for long and something else may have broken me out.
> > >
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> > No, I think you are onto something there. I think I break out in acne too..really big ones on the forehead side with big yellow ugly heads that leave scars, sigh. Never had anything like this before either!
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> Have you tried the low and slow dose regime that you suggested, above?Lar, "You anticipate me well" is reciprocal....on he sardines so far, I did go and buy a can of anchovies...yet to try
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> > It probably can also be caused by other oils ..like I have heard of EPO doing this too...
> Taking EPO and any omega-3 at the same time may block this adverse reaction.I'll give that a go when I restart. So far I have eliminated the pimples.
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> > One doc said that it means our bodies are taking the wrong pathway again ...dumb body!...and converting the EPO (GLA's) to androgenic hormones...which apparently can happen.Like our bodies decide to make testosterone out of GLA's I think. I wonder why some of us do this ? Anyone any ideas of what we have too much of or are missing?
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> The omega-3 synergy may solve it. I don't know for sure....I haven't had the problem, so I haven't done the experiment.<g>
> > Similarly it is found that some taking CLA's will convert down some wrong pathway to cause increased insulin resistance and make one prone to diabetesII....haven't tried that one and not going to
I found the reference. Larrian had put it in her newsletter. Larrian was using CLA for quite a while with weight loss and improvement too, so perhaps it s worth trying at least in the short term
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The latest….from LARRIAN REPORTS
The Essential Guide to a Healthy Lifestyle at Any Age
September 5, 2002 -- Volume 3 Issue #8
(ISSN: 1527-3482) -- Larrian Gillespie~ WHY NOT TO USE CLA -
Sad but true. I'm taking CLA off my list of recommended products
in light of the recent studies published this month. As you may
recall, some people reported they GAINED weight on CLA, but there
was no research I could find to explain WHY or HOW, that is, until
two studies came out in humans.It seems CLA has several isomers, or mirror images of itself.
In mice, the Trans10cis12 ( t10c12) form caused weight loss and
improved insulin sensitivity. However, when studied in obese humans,
it did the opposite, causing elevated blood glucose levels, along
with more insulin resistance and lower HDL levels along with mild
weight loss. C9T11, the other isomer, caused weight gain while lowering triglycerides. The choice of response depended upon one's liver
enzymes. So, supplements are NOT the way to go with this fatty
acid. Although tyrosine and P5P may help shift the metabolism
towards the T10c12, that isomer increases insulin resistance.
This is NOT a good thing.
Diabetes Care, 2002(25):1516-1521
Diabetes, 2002(51):2037-2044
-------------------> It can happen, but I think chromium blocks that adverse result. I'll have to get back to you on that. (I'm not at home.....I'm at my ex's place for a few days.}
>That's interesting. I haven't tried chromium, except a tiny amount in some multis I have taken.
> > I do realise,like Lar said, that we have to have a balance of omega3's to omega 6's.
> > http://www.longevinst.org/nlt/EFAs.pdf look at table 2 for decreasing order of omega3's....even butter is not too bad..and that doesn't cause any of these weird side effects..nor did beef lard!
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> Thanks for the link! Butter has been given a real bad press, and it is way better for you than margarine. In fact, if you can get butter from pastured cattle (and beef from same), you may not even need omega-3 supps.
>Until recently all beef used to be grass fed. The taste has gone strange lately, we have a new distributor to all butchers in the area, and I suspect....
> > So maybe half a dozen almonds, half a dozen walnuts, 2 brazil nuts every day and 1 fish oilcap (or sardines etc) ..about 2 times a week for starters??
Jan
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