Posted by Lou Pilder on October 15, 2013, at 5:09:27
In reply to The wolf. » Lou Pilder, posted by SLS on October 14, 2013, at 22:14:00
> > The Christiandom person could say that the only way for Christians is....which is OK here. But it is not OK to say that the only way for all humanity is...which includes the Jews.
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> Why is this not okay?
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> Will you not go to Heaven despite the beliefs of others?
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> Hmm.
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> Okay. Now we have an answer from you. You do indeed have concerns regarding the biblical passage:
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> > John 14:6
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> > "No one gets to the Father but through me."
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> Were you hurt by something someone said?
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> Did you personally FEEL put down, or were you just concerned that Jews COULD be put down?
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> I seem to remember an exchange on the Faith forum from years ago where a poster asserted that John 14:6 was the one and only truth and that salvation and Heaven were to be had only by believers in Jesus the Christ. The poster was rather zealous, I thought, but was noble in his effort to help save the world - just as you would claim to be on Psycho-Babble to save lives.
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> Okay. What is wrong here?
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> The only person I see potentially arousing feelings of antisemitism here is you. Do you understand why?
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> The boy who cried wolf over and over again when none existed eventually led people to hold him in low regard and no longer responded to his false warnings. When a real wolf finally appeared, the boy's cries remained ignored and unanswered. The boy was killed and devoured by the wolf.
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> We should remain vigilant against prejudice and hate.
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> Have you been the subject of prejudice and hate here on Psycho-Babble? You certainly have been the subject of anger and ridicule. I have not seen prejudice. I see no hate being directed at you as the result of antisemitism. Do you? Can you document incidents of antisemitism directed at you here on Psycho-Babble? I would like to evaluate an original post for myself. Your replies obfuscate the poster's original verbiage.
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> I no longer consider your complaints regarding a post made many years ago to be relevant. It is unlikely that anyone would ever see it were it not for your efforts to repost it. If that one post is the only one that you feel is motivated by antisemitism, then I consider this to be an indicator of its absence.
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> - ScottFriends,
It is written here,[...you do indeed have concerns regarding the biblical passage..].
These concerns are important because the prohibitions to me posted by Mr Hsiung prevent me from posting what I need to so that IMHO lives could be saved, life-ruining conditions and addictions could be prevented, and those in the bondage of depression and/or addiction could be delivered out from the shackles of them into a new life free from the darkness of depression and into a marvelous light of peace and joy. This could come from Jewish perspective that has been revealed to me and the prohibitions to me by Mr. Hsiung prevent me from posting such.
So it is not to me as to if anyone here does not think that the statements in question do not put down Jews, for they say what they say regardless if some posters here say they don't.
The statement in question in discussion is not the one Scott cites here. The statement in discussion is that there is a list of the top ten worst reasons for organized religion and one of those says:
[...to have their agenda not centered in Christ...].
That statement can be seen as conducive to the civic harmony and welfare of the community and supportive This is because Mr Hsiung states that one match could start a forest fire so he then does not wait to put it out and that support takes precedence and that he does what in his thinking will be good for this community as a whole. So what can be seen is what it is. It says what it says. That statement could be thought by Jews and Islamic people and all other people of religions that have their agenda not centered in Christ to be an insult to their faith for it could be thought that their faith is in the category of the "worst".
The question then becomes as to if the statement is an anti-Semitic statement, at least. The rule is that an anti-Semitic statement is one that puts down Jews. This is not determined by any member here or even Mr Hsiung himself. It is determined by what the generally accepted meaning of {put down} means. Like in elementary terms, "my bike is better than your bike" or going further, {people of my faith go to heaven and people of your faith do not}. In the latter, it took me years to have Mr Hsiung agree with me concerning a statement of that nature and reversed his thinking about the concerned statement. And I do not see anything different in the statements in discussion here as to if they put down Jews, at least. I am offering Mr Hsiung the opportunity to examine again the statements in question that I want to be purged. If he rejects that opportunity, then I have done what I could do and what I have to do.
Lou
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