Posted by Lou Pilder on October 14, 2013, at 19:37:14
In reply to Re: judgment, posted by Willful on October 14, 2013, at 17:48:45
> I was responding to this statement by Lou:
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> The question here is if a post is anti-Semitic or not. There is a test that Mr Hsoung agrees to use here to make that determination. The test is if a Jew reads I, could they feel put down, or in another way, does the statement in question put down Jews.
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> ~~I meant simply that the test is not if any person, or even any Jew, feels put down-- but that we might want to qualify this to say that before we stigmatize a post, we should at least ask whether the person who feels put down has good judgment, a good basis for feeling put down. Perhaps my further hopes were statements about what I thought might contribute to belief in a person's good judgment-- and in a process of coming to a view as to whether a post is anti-semitic.
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> It is better not to hurt other people-- including the person whose post is being judged anti-semitic-- which is why having arguments, discernment, and all those things matter.
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> If someone is hurt due to their own inner tendency, for example, to be hurt or offended, is that the fault of the post? (By this I am not suggesting that anyone here is.) All I mean to say is that people's posts are not always what leads someone to feel hurt-- even if the post is the source of the hurt in the person's mind.
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> Friends,
The subject here is how can it be determined if a statement is antisemtic. Mr. Hsiung agrees that if a statement could put down Jews, then it is an anti-Semitic statement. It is the statement in and of itself that is determined if it is or is not an anti-Semitic post. The test is if the statement puts down Jews.
Now the generally accepted meaning of to {put down} something, is that if a statement is critical, humiliating, disparaging, etc. So if a statement puts down Jews, it could be something that is critical of Judaism, or humiliating to a Jew or disparaging to a Jew such as belittling or showing in the post that there is a lesser value considered for the Jew than the one using the statement that could be about Jews or use a Jew or Jews as a scapegoat or accuse Jews by blaming them for real or imagined ills of a community or blaming the for what has been used historically to arouse hatred toward the Jews. The statement could demean Judaism itself by using language that elevates another religion above Judaism. That is what {put down} generally means. The fact that one is a member of Christiandom does not put down Jews. And the fact that one is a Jew does not put down other faiths. But if the Christiandom person says that they are he only (redacted by respondent) that is different story. The Christiandom person could say that the only way for Christians is....which is OK here. But it is not OK to say that the only way for all humanity is...which includes the Jews.
Now let us look at this post and you determine if Jews are being put down or not. To see this post go to the search box at the bottom of the page and type in:
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Now it may not be first so look for the 4228781 in the colored strip url
Lou
poster:Lou Pilder
thread:1050116
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