Posted by Dr. Bob on May 14, 2013, at 2:45:30
In reply to Re: Lou's response-pspyndhaweel » Lou Pilder, posted by Phillipa on May 13, 2013, at 22:13:57
> I only feel constrained when I am faced with warnings and pbc's from you.
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> TwinleafLou may also feel constrained when faced with warnings and pbc's from me. If so, he and you may have something in common.
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> I think Lou is very scrupulous about not breaking this rule.
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> Maybe this is a great time to focus on positives?
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> I'm trying, but sometimes I choose silence, too.
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> 10derheartThanks for choosing to focus on a positive -- one about Lou! -- this time. I feel so proud of my deputies (including my former ones).
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> does anyone see how a discussion of how to deal with disruption is obfuscated and deflected by a series of unrelated rants? Willful's thoughtful contribution has drowned in misdirection and drivel.
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> TophBe the change you wish to see.
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> Lou so not everyone gets withdrawal, urges to kill, or commit suicide, nor get tardive dyskenisa. So do you feel that for some the meds are helpful rather than hurtful? If you could acknowledge this it would go a long way to reassuring other babblers that indeed the meds that are taking or thinking about taking could be a good thing?
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> PhillipaLou may express the fears of posters. Fear "wants" to make you feel afraid. Fear isn't going to reassure you.
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> Obviously we all have noticed that Bob seems very invested in trying to focus us on the idea that we all have something, or perhaps various things, in common with Lou.
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> But I wonder why this is such an issue.I see Lou as in some ways like others (both he and others sometimes feel constrained by me), but in other ways different (he tends to be more pessimistic, others more optimistic).
> So maybe what Bob is saying is that the push and pull of the community gives voice to posters' tangle of emotions-- and that Lou represents the fears while others of us represent the hopes-- or the hard-fought judgments we've come to through the conflict of these. And as such, perhaps we should tolerate his invective against drugs-- since dangers do exist.
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> I don't know. I think we can all understand how hard is for us to hear Lou's comments-- because we've fought our way through fears, disappointments, etc about drugs-- and find his animadversions disturbing, depressing reminders of something in ourselves.Exactly.
> And yet--- well--- is there any possibility that he could frighten people who might be considering taking drugs? Is someone on a message board that powerful in the face of other voices?-- when it's really the internal struggle in each of us that leads to our ultimate judgments?
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> WillfulPosters do have the power to frighten -- and to reassure -- others.
How do you fight your way through fears? It may not be a fight you like to revisit, but if you show others how you overcome yours, maybe they'll be more able to overcome theirs.
Bob
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backpedals well -- PartlyCloudy
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