Posted by muffled on December 12, 2010, at 18:26:37
In reply to Re: a quote which deserves to be quoted correctly....., posted by Willful on December 12, 2010, at 17:34:28
> Unfortunately, on the merits here, and admittedly not having read the ins and outs of every post-- I have to stand with Bob on the issue of elections.
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> If he appoints the council it will be no different from the deputies.
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> I also notice that we haven't at all articulated the rules that govern actions by the council, Bob's involvement in referring cases to or passing on cases adjudged by the council and many other areas of potential disagreement, cynicism and what I perceive as animadversions on Bob's character, motives, etc
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> Whatever my personal frustrations with the system here, and I have many, I do see over and over again that the community is inflexible, afraid of change, quick to get angry at one another and be cutting, whether overtly or more subtle, entirely willing to stymie change, etc, which lead me to question our motives, goals,and so on.
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> I see a bit of a power struggle going on here where various people for their own reasons, want to control how this power is allocated. And to be honest, Bob has every reason to be very careful about how this is done-- so that it doesn't create a ton of headaches, more work, a lot of unhappiness, criticisms and downright insults to him, etc
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> I don't mean to be uncivil. But we really need to look at our behavior too.
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> Willful
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Hmmm what came first the chicken or the egg....oh yeah, it was Bob! the rooster. He came first. He rules the roost.
Behaviours here are of course complex, but behaviours as a result of interaction w/Bob are as a result of no action to amount to anything.
In the not so distant past, AND in the more distant past, there have been, on the part of babblers, very civil and logical commentary.
However, frustration comes when nothing changes....
I think Babbblers tend to have an interest in *their* community. It makes sense to try and make it a reasonable place.
However....the dialogue seems to fall on rather deaf ears...
Frustrating indeed.
Once burned...twice shy...
and , no doubt, for some...anger at a system that is perceived to be unjust to most, yet Bob just cannot seem to see that.
So ya, people are being careful, and are on edge, for GOOD reason I'd say....
Its a long history...
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