Posted by Solstice on December 12, 2010, at 9:03:34
In reply to Re: some kind of Elders Council » Solstice, posted by alexandra_k on December 12, 2010, at 4:56:41
Believe me Alex - your point is not lost on me. During the chat, Dinah steadily brought up another angle of that same point - along the lines of challenging him appearing to say he's willing to transfer power to the group - but only on his own terms - and the incongruence of that (Dinah please correct me if I am not correctly characterizing what you were saying during that chat)
Even Bob got provocative with it - announcing that if no one's willing to run and be elected, then he 'gets to stay King' - and I think he even said he likes being King.
Janed asked an equally provacative question: Why not just ask the community to vote on whether to have an election? I thought that was point-on. He says he wants elections because he wants Council members to be chosen from the community... as if elections are the *only* way to make that happen. What better way for him to ensure the Community is getting who they want, than to ask the Community to vote on HOW they get who they want? I didn't see Bob respond to Janed's point. I tried to point out that if he insists on elections - then the very people the community would want on Counci might be the ones that would not run - so they Won't be getting who they want.
I asked (but didn't get a response) if he might be resisting an alternative as a way to stay King.
I think it's a very complex issue. It is disappointing to me that Bob is currently so inflexible about the method of putting Council in place. I don't think that speaks well of his purportedly having a genuine desire to turn more power over to the community. Inflexibility is not considered a particularly healthy trait, after all.
Solstice> Or maybe:
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> > I haven't seen anyone indicate they are willing to serve as a result of having 'run' and being elected.
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> And so precisely because of that:
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> > Bob seems unwilling to consider an alternative method of putting a council in place
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> So instead of:
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> > by default potential candidates and the community are electing to keep the current system of unreasonably loooong blocks.
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> It is more that Bob only supports things that are not supported by the community.
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> Thereby maintaining the status quo. As usual.
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> The wheels going round IS his process group methinks. With respect to PRACTICAL or CONCRETE changes or even with respect to people focusing on CONTENT in general he just keeps the process of the wheels rolling along. Progress... As usual.
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