Posted by Dinah on August 18, 2009, at 19:38:01
In reply to Re: Idealizing, posted by alexandra_k on August 18, 2009, at 18:16:44
> > Many have been blocked protesting Dr. Bob's administration.
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> Are you sure about that? He doesn't seem to think that that is so.I believe we mean that differently. Many people have been blocked while stating that they are in the process of protesting site administration. They are not blocked *for* protesting site administration. There are people who protest site administration who do not do so in such a way that will result in a block.
> > Why deprive yourself of a voice on the site in order to protest?
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> I'm not 'depriving myself' of anything. I don't enforce the rules here - Bob does. He chooses what he will do with his conduct. He chooses whether he will block me or whether he will not.But Dr. Bob is not the one choosing how to post here. You are. Do you think that whether or not Dr. Bob blocks you has nothing at all to do with your own choices? You originally chose how to post, you chose how to respond to his "suggestions" about apologies, you chose how to respond to other posters, and you are choosing how to post right now. You do have a choice whether or not to be blocked. Dr. Bob will make his choices, true. But he will make his choices based on your choices, and he has clearly laid out what his choices will be. What you choose to do in response to that is as much a choice as what he chooses to do in response to your response.
Dr. Bob is not the only active participant in this. You are just as active as he is. You can't choose to post in a way that Dr. Bob has defined as against site guidelines and still not be blocked. He can't choose to have you post as he wishes you would. You both have choices. But both of your choices are constrained by the choices of the other.
> > Smarter than that how? Smarter than enforcing the guidelines on his own site? How is that not smart? Or in good conscience. By your own account, if he blocks some people for a behavior, he should block others for the same behavior. How is that unconscionable?
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> The idea is more that... Blocking someone for one year for saying 'sh*t' without an asterisk strikes me as too harsh.Again, no one is blocked for a year for saying anything at all. Someone is blocked for a year for violating site guidelines a certain number of times. With the guidelines admittedly being set by Dr. Bob as his right and responsibility on the site he owns and operates. To be precise. If I were to be blocked for a year, it would be because I at the very least:
1. Violated site guidelines. Given a PBC.
2. Violated site guidelines. Blocked for a week.
3. Violated site guidelines. Blocked for two weeks.
4. Violated site guidelines. Blocked for four weeks.
5. Violated site guidelines. Blocked for eight weeks.
6. Violated site guidelines. Blocked for sixteen weeks.
7. Violated site guidelines. Blocked for thirtytwo weeks.
8. Violated site guidelines. Blocked for a year.This is assuming that I violated site guidelines as soon as I came back from each previous block, was caught every time, was given the maximum consequence, and at no time was particularly uncivil to another poster. If my eighth violation of site guidelines was overriding the asterisking system, I would be blocked for a year not because I overrode the asterisking system, but because I violated site guidelines eight times within a certain period of time as defined by Bob's formula.
Dr. Bob has eased up on block lengths, but people do still get blocked for long periods of time. If you want to say that eight violations of site guidelines shouldn't result in a year's block, then fine. But you need to be here to say that. You need to be here to discuss changing board policy. You need to be here for Babble to hear and see you.
> But really... All this is... Simply a waste of breath, yeah. Cause really... It will just end up in the archives... Forgotten... LIke all the other complaints. But then... What complaints? Bob doesn't seem to think there are any... I'm just a random raver - right Bob?
>I do not see how it is possible for Dr. Bob to believe there are no complaints since he reads Admin on at least a semiregular basis.
If it's not healthy for you to be here... If it's not someplace you want to be... Then you know that I will support whatever decisions you make. I'm not asking you to apologize. I wouldn't ask you to apologize. I want you to do whatever is best for you. But... I guess I just don't understand how it can be best for you to see this as Dr. Bob blocking you for some whim of his own, and not see that you are not powerless in your relationship with him or with Babble. I guess I don't see feelings of powerlessness as being the best thing for anyone.
If you'd like for me to drop this, I will of course not continue discussing this. But I hope we can continue to talk about other things. I don't want to lose you as a friend over Babble. That's a loss I choose not to take, to the extent that it is my choice.
poster:Dinah
thread:904398
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