Posted by Deputy 10derHeart on January 21, 2009, at 18:45:21
In reply to a recent sequence..., posted by twinleaf on January 21, 2009, at 13:52:30
Twinleaf,
I know you can't respond just now, and I regret that it the situation. I want to clarify some things you wrote about.
> December 23 10Derheart: (giving me a two week block): "please do not post anything that could lead others to feel accused (for example, of causing pain)."
That quote is not mine. It is Dr. Bob's, from December 22nd, from this post:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20081003/msgs/870212.html
...asking you and others to follow the civility guidelines. I only mentioned it again, *and quoted Dr. Bob* in my post because I felt you had misunderstood him and I was trying to clarify.
> While not specified,
I couldn't have specified anything about that phrase as I did not write it. However, I do always specify the uncivil portions of a post by 'snipping' them out and placing them first, as do the other deputies and Dr. Bob.
See the actual blocking post from December 23rd:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20081003/msgs/870405.html
>I am assuming she is referring to the possibility that the deputies might feel accused by me of causing pain to posters.
No. *He* (Dr. Bob) was referring to a phrase you wrote - "a poster had caused further pain in a private email" which was deemed uncivil as it could cause whomever you meant to feel accused of causing pain to another poster - nothing to do with deputies.
>To be suddenly warned not to speak about blocks causing pain because the deputies might feel hurt was a shock,
Sorry, but I can't see where this happened. I am lost as to where this was written by anyone. Dr. Bob explained his meaning in his PBC post, in this post:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20081003/msgs/870416.html
...and my block was given for other phrases I sited when I posted about the block.
>the poster (or deputy) who initiates a sudden change in view,
If you are referring to me, I don't understand. My view is only that posters are asked to follow civility guidelines, and if, after warnings, they do not, I will usually block them from posting for a period of time. That basic stance of how the rules of PB will be applied, as set out by Dr. Bob and followed by the deputies, hasn't changed.
>Making silent protests via the notification button is, unfortunately, totally inadequate in every regard.
Perhaps, and I can understand how it might not seem like the best method for everyone. Maybe it might depend on the objective? I recall part of the rational behind starting the notification procedure was to increase the overall supportive environment in our community, by lessening polarizing of posters ("for and against" something potentially uncivil) and (hopefully) reducing hurt and embarrassed feelings that used to arise when one poster essentially "called out" another on the boards over words they felt violated guidelines. (run-on sentence there-sorry!)
-- 10derHeart, posting as deputy to Dr. Bob
poster:Deputy 10derHeart
thread:875301
URL: http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20081228/msgs/875339.html