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Re: hearing and fearing

Posted by Dr. Bob on June 21, 2006, at 10:44:13

In reply to Is it moot? » Dr. Bob, posted by Tamar on June 21, 2006, at 5:07:12

> It is a VALID OPINION based on HER OWN personal beliefs, not directed at anyone, and she herself is being treated uncivily because (i.e. a moderator) made a unilateral judgement that her statement is uncivil. It devalues her and makes the block uncivil in itself.
>
> Jake

I agree, it's an opinion that she's entitled to. But not all opinions are civil. Different points of view are fine, and in fact encouraged, but freedom of speech is limited here.

I agree, it's not directed at any particular individual. But religion is important to lots of people. IMO, saying the world would be a better place without it isn't being sensitive to their feelings.

I agree, it was a unilateral judgment. And it wasn't supportive to block her, but my role here isn't to be supportive.

I disagree, the issue isn't her, it's posting her opinion. Her I value, and I'm sorry she can't join in right now.

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> We also feel FEAR, that we MAY be blocked, over something relatively trivial, at the whim of Bob.

That's a good point. People may become afraid of that (maybe especially if they've been hurt when vulnerable in the past). But I take civility seriously and don't consider it trivial.

> We are human, we will have moments, we will err, but blocking should ONLY be for serious OBVIOUSLY harmful interactions. "Lighter" infractions, for want of a better word, should just be warned. Give the person some time to backpeddal and understand their error and LEARN. Blocking teaches by FEAR. Many of us have learned too much about being obedient thru fear. IT IS WRONG. We should be given correction in kinder ways, and if we are still creating HAVOC, THEN a block is in order.

I do try to treat lighter infractions more lightly. And everyone has a chance to learn. But the primary goal of blocking isn't to teach, it's to keep it civil here. Whether or not people learn.

IMO, it would be a lot less supportive if there were only blocks after serious obviously harmful posts that created havoc.

> We have spoken, time and again, but Bob doesn't hear us :-(

I hear you, I just don't always agree.

> Can you let us in on why the one liners?
> Can you tell us or point us in the direction of info on better ways of communicating with you that you will understand better?
>
> Muffled

I try to be to the point. That's a good question, how to communicate better. Does anyone have any ideas?

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> > I think it's kind of moot because she was blocked again
>
> the current block was doubled to 8 weeks because the earlier block had been four weeks. It seems to me that if the initial four week block turns out to be unjust, then the 8 week block should be reduced to four weeks (and I think most of that time has been served).
>
> Tamar

Well, that's why I said "kind of"...

I've discussed this with the deputies, and my decision is to let both blocks stand.

Bob


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