Posted by gardenergirl on March 16, 2006, at 13:49:55
In reply to Re: Posting more difficult, posted by itsme2003 on March 16, 2006, at 2:18:22
>> Some people go out of their way to be insulting, etc, and they deserve to have a penalty imposed. On the other hand, I've seen lots of penalties imposed here on people who really had no idea that they were doing anything wrong.
I often struggle with trying to understand how someone can not know they were doing something that was actionable under civility standards when they had just been warned about the same behavior. I always feel a bit sad and frustrated when this happens. And bewildered.
> In the case of posting warnings about possible triggers, assuming that you had a voluntary system, what better way than gentle behind the scenes encouragement toward the desired behavior.I think that would impede the learning of the entire community, although I recognize that with my above statement, whether the entire community learns from such posts is not established.
>To make a spectacle of someone in public about an unintentional infraction of a subjective rule that is skewed against the poster is not the method most likely to produce the desired outcome.
I think that labelling it as "making a spectacle out of someone" is subjective. It certainly depends a great deal on how that someone takes constructive criticism. Similarly, feeling "thrashed" is subjective and is a personal reaction to a PBC or similar action.
>I'm choosing to exercise the privilege that he has granted to everyone to come into his yard and tell him that they disagree with him. I've seen quite a few posters come here and disagree with the civility rules and be told by others that if they don't like the rules they can just leave.
I agree that it's a good thing that we can question and discuss the way the site's run. I don't recall anyone being told by administration that they could "just leave". I do recall reading statements to the effect that this site may not be for everyone. Which is quite true. It's impossible for this or any other site to be all things to all people or to be perfectly safe for all people. That's an unreaslistic expectation. However, knowing what is expected as far as behavior is comforting to me. If I know what's expected, I know what I can and can't do, and I can choose to comply or not. If I have questions, I can ask.
>I feel that I have as much right to stand here and disagree with the civility rules (as long as I'm civil) as anyone else has any right to say anything here.
I agree.
> And I'd like to tell you what I think about the people who tell people that they don't have a right, or shouldn't be here if they disagree with the civility rules, except that if I told you what I thought about that I would be violating the civility rules.
Thanks for refraining. I likely would be offended if someone told me that I should leave just because I disagreed with someone else here.
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> Let me take a wild guess. I could be wrong, but I think that people who are opposed to the civility system here probably don't get to be moderators.First let me clarify your use of the term "moderator". Dr. Bob is the moderator/adminstrator here. He appoints "deputies". We are not moderators. Moderators have more authority and power than deputies. And to become a deputy, one must demonstrate a good understanding of the rules. Whether one agrees with them or not is not necessarily relevant as long as they follow and apply them.
> I've seen people work toward agitating someone then that person gets banned. I've even seen moderators {(self censored to avoid the civility police)} instead of trying to soothe things over.
I've seen that, too. And I feel disappointed when it keeps happening, and when posters who've experienced it before seem to fall into the same pattern. And soothing is not really a deputy role, although it certainly can be the role of a poster who is also a deputy. Or of any other Babblers.
>Regards,
gg
poster:gardenergirl
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