Posted by so on July 17, 2005, at 19:56:30
In reply to Re: I feel put down--And, posted by Nickengland on July 17, 2005, at 19:04:13
> Hello again So
> So, are you "for" any psychiatric drugs or psychiatry for the treatment of mental illness?I am for you making up your own mind and for me making up my own mind about what we will do to get what we want with regards to our subjective mental outlook. Beyond that, I think the collective work of researchers over the course of a century has done quite a lot more than L. Ron Hubbard did to describe the role of life experiences in development of an individual human mind, though Mr. Hubbard did offer some unusual insight for his time, which I believe continues to offer some valuable insight in how our minds work.
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> Let me get this right, you're a Scientologist and because of this you are deeply offended because as you stated, "dont call me creepy" because you're a Scientologist - Thats perfectly understandable within the civility rules here.Actually, my deep feelings have more to do with some of my most mature, generous, community minded friends being called creepy. Step on my toes, you'll get a hard look, but step on my friends toes and it's Katie bar the doors. That's the warriors' way. However, the administrator has demonstrated more ability to recognize the impact of such statements when one describes how it affects them personally, so I made it obvious that the comment was directed at me individually as a member of a specific group.
> Its my understanding (and please correct me if i'm wrong) do people who practice Scientology as a faith - does that faith support the use of psychiatric drugs?...or conversely, does it oppose them and psychiatry? I was under the impression that Scientology did not recommend the use of psychiatric drugs or psychiatry in the practice of its religion. Does Dianetics support psychiatric drugs or psychiatry?
Generally, Scientology has led the organizational opposition to the administration of psychiatric drugs in the Western world. But individuals who hold faith in Scientology teachings are free to believe or practice anything they choose. Scientology does recognize such conditions as "psychosis" but practitioners offer alternative approaches to treating those conditions. There are spiritual aspects of the approaches, but practically they rely heavily on mega-vitamins and cleansing proceedures such as saunas, which have a basis in some of the most historic systems of medicine in the world.>
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> Which treatment programme do you follow?..The mental health treatment of your relgion or that of psychiatry? Do you possibly use a combination of both?My understanding of how I developed as a person is informed by concepts espoused by some psychiatrists or psychologists, though for the large part, pscyhiatry today spends far less time exploring social and developmental causes of personal distress than it does dispensing chemicals with the hope of treating the result of those causes.
> You see something so controversial as psychiatry and something possibly considered equally controversial as Scientology in similar respects with regards to mental health..Hmmm Muslims and Alcohol, they just dont mix...as in Muslims who follow their faith are not supposed to drink Alcohol. The same way I would have thought, a scientologist was not supposed to touch Psychiatry - Tom Cruise certainly isnt a fan, are you?If I had no interest in psychiatry, I wouldn't be here. If Tom Cruise had me for a PR hack, he might be less vulnerable in his public appearances. My best Scientology friend drinks more than I do. Some of the WTC bombers, though many don't recognize their loyalty to Islamic faith, were seen drunk in the weeks before the attack. I know Muslims who drink, and cannibas use was widespread in the Islamic world, certainly bfore the 1960s.
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> However though, the actual question with which you responded to the above was.....how do you gain education and support from this forum?Just like this - by posting and responding to messages from other members.
> >> I can completely understand what you say there, thats a fair comment. Do you feel that it was yourself being called directly, "creepy"?
the statement "they" didn't include any exclusions, so I presume it included me. I wondered if the person who wrote the comment knows any scientologists.
> Either way though I guess if it was any other religion a PBC would have been issued. It would be good if you would perhaps post in faith about Scientology..that way maybe people would not think it was "creepy" as you could explain how it isnt. Or offer some kind of education to people, so that they wouldn't perhaps jump to the same conclusion which brought them to use the word "creepy" in the first place.
Maybe my contribution on this page will have the same effect. I'm not really out to defend Scientology, as a faith, I'm just interested in having my faith and that of my friends treated the same as any other system of faith, or otherwise exposing and educating people about contradictions in administration of this site, if it turns out that people here can call members of any particular faith creepy while they are forbidden from saying the same of other faiths.
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>> I have read most, if not all your posts. (and with great interest) I realise you didn't want to answer about your posting name "so" I wonder though, you said you have been lurking, but never mentioned for how long?You can presume that, though there are obviously threads I haven't read or don't recall, I am familiar with the entire archive. As can anyone who reads the archives, I have identified when registration process was introduced, and when the administrator started intervening and sanctioning people for their activities here.
> I also wondered if you have ever posted before under a different name? - I would be interested to read the archives if you do have more posts under previous name(s) ?
I had another before I started using this one, but if people get too interested in who I am, I'll change my handle and decline to say who I was previously.
> >I reply because answering questions directed to a person is "civil", though a civil person could as well ignore questions from those not dependant on the person for a response.> Are you suggesting that I should be grateful that you are replying to me in someway? Are you suggesting you could quite easily ignore me - just because that is "civil"
I'm just trying to avoid the insinuation that if someone doesn't reply to a direct question it's not civil. I'm saying I reply because that's what people sometimes do. I don't know that you should feel grateful -- maybe you could feel powerful that you can cause me to write interesting prose. With that skill, maybe you could be an acquisitions editor, or a creative-writing-group leader...
> >Are you asking why I reply to your interest?
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> I wasn't asking this, however you replied to your own question "that easy" I think you find the playful use of words very easy indeed, again especially with that sentance....I'm just saying, since you asked why I spend so much time, that I do it in part because you asked me to. That gives you something you can work with, because if you were to think I spend too much time at this, you could help by not asking me questions. But I consider it time well spent, though I could be doing something that pays.
> "I reply because answering questions directed to a person is "civil", though a civil person could as well ignore questions from those not dependant on the person for a response.
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> Why would you feel the need to remind me of that at the final part of your message? What was your motive with that?Well, I got hung up on the implications. It wouldn't be "Civil" for a parent to refuse to answer questions of a child about important subjects, such as safe behavior. Along those lines, I have questions about the merit of an administrator suspending for several days his response to a request that he treat all religions the same. But I was just following the train of thought that developed from your inquiry about why I spend so much time at this. My time is spent because of my interest in psychiatry and in administration of this board, but also as a result of my interest in you, which you implicity requested by asking me questions.
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