Posted by SLS on January 11, 2014, at 9:48:49
In reply to Re: Suicide Attempt » SLS, posted by bleauberry on January 11, 2014, at 7:03:11
> Good questions, Scott. thank you. I will try.
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> > > Whatever the cause, it appears to me there are toxins of some kind that causing misfiring and messing up the whole mood center operations.
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> > What toxins, specifically?
> Lots of long bizarre names. There is so much we don't know. One of the MDs pioneering the research and treatment on this topic goes by the name of Shoemaker. I think it would be easier to google and take a look around yourself rather than me copying and pasting the equivalent of about 3 books on this one page.Okay, one toxin is a good start. Thanks.
The toxin I am most concerned with in my own body is Quinolic acid,
Do you happen to know how quinolic acid affects the brain adversely?
> There are pubmed articles that indicate how toxins have affinity with opioid receptors, which would obviously have indirect negative effects on dopamine and norepinephrine, and the resulting psychiatric symptom manifestation would not be a surprise.
Interesting. Thanks.
Pretty much any of the popular internet LLMDs
What are LLMDs?
> Can you offer a peer reviewed study indicating that toxins do not impact the brain?
Science doesn't work that way, and you know it. Logic doesn't work that way. For example, I cannot find a peer-reviewed study indicating that the cure for depression is to smell your unwashed right foot t.i.d. Of course with mania, one would smell the left foot instead. I can't find any articles refuting this methodology, so it must be true...
I imagine bacterial endotoxins affect the brain and various CNS chemoreceptors. It may be that the malais and nausea attendant to a systemic infection is the direct effect of these endotoxins along with brain inflammation. However, that is not to say that bacterial activity is the etiology of the majority of cases of mental illness.
> > What are the clinical indicators described by Danielj that leads you to your conclusions regarding her son?
> The symptoms, severity, and history.
Let's try this again:
WHAT ARE THE CLINICAL INDICATORS DESCRIBED BY DANIELJ THAT LEADS YOU TO YOUR CONCLUSIONS REGARDING HIS SON?
Please be specific. You don't have to reply to this post at all, but direct answers to direct questions will advance greatly the worth of this dialectic.
> To many people, all these different diagnosis and symptoms look pretty much the same all under one blanket....
Not to this person.
> for example depression is depression is depression, right? Well, no.
This is manifestly true and noted by medical science for over 30 years. Please don't lecture me in a condescenting way.
> There are different kinds of depression. The subtle differences offer really powerful clues to me, because I can recognize the difference between DanielJ situation verses someone else that looks similar. Subtle clues are usually not seen, ignored, or considered idiopathic. To me, those subtle clues speak loudly and at the very least give me an idea of what we are dealing with and how to proceed.
Would you be so kind as to name just a few of these powerful clues?
What, specifically, are the subtle, loudly-speaking clues that you see with danielJ's son, and what does that tell you about what "we" are dealing with? How would you have danielJ proceed?
> > Can you cite any scientific literature demonstrating that the misfiring and messing up of the whole mood center operations are produced by the toxins you allude to?
> No. Science is lagging.
You don't think science has looked at infection, toxins, and brain inflammation as being associated with MDD or BD? You would be wrong. It seems to me that it is you who is lagging behind science.
I will disregard the rest of your lecture for now. Let's just deal with the issues listed above.
Thank you.
- ScottSome see things as they are and ask why.
I dream of things that never were and ask why not.- George Bernard Shaw
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