Posted by bleauberry on January 10, 2014, at 13:06:21
In reply to Suicide Attempt, posted by Danielj on January 10, 2014, at 9:41:11
Daniel so sorry! Your heart must be just aching! Really sorry.
Depression by itself is a fairly strong risk of suicide. Add on to that the mysterious possibility that a medication could make the person feel worse instead of better, as Scott said, or a change in medications. All dangerous stuff.
I believe doctors switch meds too quickly and cause undue discomfort and risk for the patient. For example, well, I don't know how this switch was done, but if it had been me, it would have been a very careful cross-taper, not a direct overnight switch. The timeframe of the switch would take place over about a 2 to 4 week period. The LAST thing we want to do is destabilize things. A quick change can cause significant destabilization.
Where do you live? Ever been in tick territory? I get crazy looks and attacks whenever I say this, but it has to be said. If I didn't like you or want to help you, I would not say it. But I do want to help so I will say it. In my journeys thru both treatment resistant depression, some schizo stuff, suicidal, and lyme disease, I can share with you what both of my expert doctors shared with me.....patients of the description of your son should have Lyme at the top of the list as a suspect causing all the crap.
Some lyme patients do not present with any of the common symptoms of pain and stiffness and brain fog, but have just depression or just schizo stuff and anxiety-like stuff is common.....that doesn't respond real well to drugs.....that's the clue that is important and steers the thinking in a different direction. imo
Whatever the cause, it appears to me there are toxins of some kind that causing misfiring and messing up the whole mood center operations.
I do not feel comfortable commenting at this time on any particular med issues. The situation is too serious at the moment and I do not think interjecting ideas from strangers on the net is a sound way to go at the moment. The doctors have to call the shots right now. After things have stabilized, then things can open up and be more flexible in terms of ideas and treatments choices.
Only one suggestion. I will also author another thread on this very topic. Cholestyramine. Whatever the toxins are, they are most likely fat soluble, and can be cleaned out. If your son feels better after a few weeks of drinking this prescription powdered drink, then you know you are on to something that involves toxins and that the toxins are causing the symptoms. At that point next steps can be taken, but it makes no sense to jump ahead that far until first we see what happens.
Cholestyramine is a prescription intended to lower cholesterol and fat. It does not absorb in the body. It passes thru the gut and absorbs like sponge anything that is fat soluble, including suspected toxins which are mostly fat soluble. The toxins cannot be recirculated. Right now they are being recirculated. Toxins dumped in bile into the gut are then reabsorbed and poisoned all over again, round and round, over and over, accumulation continues, illness worsens, meds become less and less effective as they are overwhelmed.
Really sorry! I tried to kill myself. Three people I knew are gone due to suicide. So I know the pain. From both sides.
For now, just hang on, pray, Jesus can definitely help get things in the right direction if He is asked, but at the same time set the sites on trying to help stabilize things in the here-n-now, prepare to test some things just ahead around the corner. In my opinion, mine only, cholestyramine would be a fantastic next step to not only help figure out what the heck is going on, but to get him feeling better too.
Except for a minority of MDs who use this med for this purpose, or except for the minority of doctors who are experts in chronic conditions such as Lyme, FM, CFS, your doctors will probably give you a weird look. Your son has suicide, not cholesterol right? That really confuses some people. How in the world could a cholesterol reducing drink possibly help diagnose anything or improve mood? Well, it does. It is outside the box sort of stuff, real doctor stuff versus establishment doctor stuff, so if your docs are not very creative or open minded they will likely not jump with joy at your request.
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