Posted by Lou Pilder on March 18, 2012, at 14:40:50
In reply to Lou's warning-clonidine/parnate/diazepam--death, posted by Lou Pilder on March 18, 2012, at 14:25:12
> > > > > > > > > So I've been having tremendously difficulty trying to raise my Parnate dose due to the fact that I'm profoundly sensitive to stimulants. I apologize if this is overly-complicated and obsessive, and I'd appreciate advice from anyone can be bothered to wade through it.
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> > > > > > > > > I began by taking just 5mg twice a day. My sense was that a tolerance finally developed, so my psychiatrist instructed I take 10mg in the morning and then 5mg at noon. Taking 10mg at once proved to be too much - I became irritable, anxious, mentally constricted, 'flat' in demeanor.
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> > > > > > > > > I then tried taking 5mg three times a day, but in this case, each 5mg dose felt potentiated compared to taking it twice a day. I was wondering if increased MAO-B inhibition was responsible.
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> > > > > > > > > Anyway, I found that I was becoming profoundly depressed during the evening, so my psychiatrist suggested I take 2.5mg when I felt the Parnate 'wear off'. This works well, but if I take *any* Parnate after 5pm, I'm up the entire night. For what it's worth, I also find 2.5mg to be almost ideal as far as concentration, anxiety etc. goes.
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> > > > > > > > > Since each dose lasts 3 hours, however, it's difficult to fit multiple 2.5-5mg doses in before 3-5pm, so I've just been stuck taking around 15mg a day. I'm becoming increasingly suicidal and feel that I need to try and achieve an AD benefit faster, but simply can't tolerate a 10mg dose, which makes reaching 30mg difficult.
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> > > > > > > > > I tried taking my first 0.1mg of clonidine tonight. I wasn't tired an hour later and have work tomorrow, so have just taken 10mg of Valium.
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> > > > > > > > > I would like to experiment with clonidine on a non-work night and see if it might help dampen the next-day overstimulation, but I'm not sure if the half-life is long enough? Otherwise, would my best bet be to just (temporarily?) employ a benzodiazepine to counter the overstimulation and try push through to a higher dose?
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> > > > > > > > > Logically it seems like it, but even with that plan in mind, I feel so desperate and helpless, like the world has just completely closed in on me. I'm trying to hang on and appeal to logic, but it's difficult. Additionally, if anyone has any advice for pushing through extreme despair, I'd appreciate it. I try to cover the basics - going for walks, watching TV, seeing friends when I can.
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> > > > > > > > > g_g-_g_ unit,
> > > > > > > > You wrote,[...profoundly sensitive to stimulants...became ..mentally constrictive...becomming profoundly depressed...Parnate after 5pm..up the entire night...I'm becomming incresingly suicidal...clonidine tonight...taken 10mg of valium...I would like to experiment...Logically it seems like it...I feel so desparate and helpless...if anyone has any advice...the basics-going for walks...].
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> > > > > > > > g_g_g_ unit,
> > > > > > > I can give you education that could save your life or prevent you from getting a life ruining conditionn or addiction. I could also give you information that could leads you into a new life, freee of mind-altering drugs and free from depression and addiction.
> > > > > > > Now Mr.Hsiung has posted to me prohibitions here that prevent me from posting to you what has been revealed to me that could save your life and lead you out of depression and save you from getting a life-ruining condition or addiction.
> > > > > > > > But first, let's look at the combination of the drugs that you are taking as to their potential to kill you or give you a life-ruining condition or addiction.
> > > > > > > Here is a link to a site that catalogs what could happen to a person when the drugs in question are combined.
> > > > > > > Lou
> > > > > > > http://www.drugs.com/interactions-check-.php?drug_list=704-,2225-2342,862-441
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> > > > > > > > correction to link:
> > > > > > http://www.drugs.com/interactions-check-.php?drug_list=704-0,2225-2342,862-441
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> > > > > > > correction to correction:
> > > > > http://www.drugs.com/interactions-check.php?drug_list=704-0,2225-2342,862-441
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> > > > > > ggg,
> > > > I see a great danger in the taking in combination the drugs you have listed here. First, the potential of a hypertensive crisis
> > > > Let us look at {clonidine}. Now here is a link of the reported adverse reaction of hypertensive crisis with clonidine. I intend to develope an exposition here that IMHO could save your life or prevent you from getting a life-ruining condition or addiction, unless the rule of 3 applies.
> > > > Lou
> > > > http://www.ehealthme.com/ds/clonidine/hypertensive+crisis
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> > > > > g_g_g
> > > Now let us look at the consideration with the combination of drugs that you take. One such adverse potential is hypotensive crisis. We have seen above that in infants, clonidine could cause hypertensive crisis. Yet in adults, the combination of drugs with clonidine/benzodiazepine/parnate could cause hypotnsive crisis. I intend to tie this in a nother part of my exposition here that IMHO could sve not only your life, but others that read this site.
> > > Lou
> > > http://www.rightdiagnosis.com/sym/hypotensive_crisis.htm
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> > > > Friends,
> > The correction is that I wrote that in the adverse event from clonidine resulting in hypertensive crisis, I wrote that it was the infants that were likely. The correction is that it is the elderly that are likely to get hypertensive crisis. Notice in the link that it is 70% over the age of 60.
> > But be advised that other age groups are listed in that site also.
> > Lou
> > >
> > > Friends,
> The combination of drugs listed here has the potential to cause death. I can compute the chances of one taking this combination as to their time that they have left before the combination kills them. I have done an estimate and the chances are high, either by the taker of these drugs killing themselves or the reactions of the drugs causing a life-ending event such as heart attack or stroke.
> Now it is now determined that the FDA agrees that people who are suicidal,have their thinking to kill themselves increased when they take particular psychotropic drugs such as antidepressants and anti-convulsants.
> Here is a link to a site that shows that of the reported events, over 5% killed themselves while in the drug in question. My friends, 5% is very significant.
> Lou
> http://www.ehealthme.com/ds/diazepam/completed+suicide
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> > Friends,
Here is a link that shows the deaths by cardiac arrest from reports of those taking valium.
Now there were the stats of suicide in the previous post by me here from valium. and when you add all the ways this drug can kill you, the chances of it doing that is very significant. And could not when valium is combined with other drugs and other drugs are combined with even other dugs, increase the chances of death from the drugs?
Lou
http://www.ehealthme.com/ds/diazepam/cardiac+arrest
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