Posted by Chairman_MAO on October 6, 2011, at 13:50:53
In reply to Re: Weight gain. Successful diet despite nardil!, posted by Lamdage22 on October 6, 2011, at 12:20:41
"With meds that "cause weight gain", never forget that we breathe air. Less calories than your body needs to maintain weight equals weight loss, Nardil or not, you LOSE weight in
this calorie deficient cenario."Yeah, I get that. You will lose weight. However, at some point you will stop losing weight and will be at a point where you wish to maintain that weight. All other things being equal, odds are that most people end up somewhat heavier on Nardil.
"Anyway drop the carbs, raise protein: you gonna have an easier time with not overeating, or eating less kcal than the body needs."
Yes, you are correct. If you're able to stick to an ultra-low-carb diet on Nardil, more power to you. In order for me not to have _intense_ carbohydrate cravings on that stuff, I'd have to basically eliminate carbohydrates. And even in that scenario, I imagine that I'd still weigh a little bit more, because one cannot completely eliminate carbohydrates.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3791153?dopt=Citation
"Hydrazine sulfate was evaluated using 24-hour dietary recalls and body weight determinations before and after 30 days of either placebo or hydrazine (60 mg, 3 times/d) oral administration in 101 heavily pretreated cancer patients with weight loss. After 1 month, 83% of hydrazine and only 53% of placebo patients completing repeat evaluation maintained or increased their weight (P less than 0.05). In addition, appetite improvement was more frequent in the hydrazine group (63% versus 25%, P less than 0.05). Although caloric intake was only slightly greater in hydrazine-treated patients, an increased caloric intake was more commonly associated with weight gain in patients receiving hydrazine compared with those receiving placebo (81% versus 53%, respectively). Hydrazine toxicity was mild, with 71% of patients reporting no toxic effects. Hydrazine sulfate circulatory levels were obtained from a subset of 14 patients who completed 30 days of treatment, with a single sample obtained in the morning at least 9 hours after the last dose. Mean maintenance hydrazine sulfate levels, determined using a spectrofluorometric assay, ranged from 0 to 89 ng/ml (mean 45 +/- 16 ng/ml). These data, which demonstrate an association between 1 month of hydrazine sulfate administration and body weight maintenance in patients with cancer, suggest future clinical trials of hydrazine sulfate are indicated to definitively assess its long-term impact on important clinical outcome parameters in defined cancer populations."
And this is in a scenario where people are _trying desperately_ to gain weight.
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