Posted by g_g_g_unit on May 8, 2011, at 4:47:58
In reply to Re: ughhh (Zoloft + Depakote), posted by bleauberry on May 7, 2011, at 10:05:39
Thanks, I appreciate your suggestions bleauberry.
The Zoloft had yielded some improvements - namely, with respect to physical energy and alertness - which is why my psychiatrist has decided to stick with it for the time being.
As tempting as it would be to ditch the Depakote, I just don't want to violate my psychiatrist's instructions at this point and gamble on herbs. Maybe once I'm more stable, but my condition is pretty bad at the moment.
> For excessive excitatory activity I would much prefer attempts at utilizing magnesium or low dose lithium. These are much more biologically harmonious and healthy overall, where depakote is not.
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> To me this is real simple. Stop zoloft and do something else. I mean, it's not as if the twitching and stuff is somehow going to "adjust" and go away the longer you stay on zoloft. If anything, the problems are likely to become more deeply embedded, longlasting, or permanent.
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> A neurologist will likely add on yet another med. Great. Take a med for one thing, another med to hopefully reduce the problems of the first med, and a third med to hopefully reduce the problems of both of them. I don't know. That's pretty common, happens every day with countless patients everywhere, but I personally do not agree with that. Except maybe in the rare case where the med is working like a miracle and makes it all worth it. I don't see that happen very often with zoloft by itself. Zoloft with nortriptyline could do that sometimes.
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> Excess serotonin can be excitatory. Restlessness, anxiety, nervousness, agitation....these are common effects that can occur when starting serotonin meds.
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> So maybe if some good signs from zoloft have started to show, keep it but do something else to help with the other symptoms. Begin some research to discover what else is available to you besides the very limited choices a psychiatrist has. All of our drugs unfortunately are really not very impressive. God knew what He was doing and created some of the most amazing medicines specifically for our healing. They are found in plants.
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> Personally I would attack this thing from a completely different angle. That is, "expel the evil and support the righteous". The drugs don't do either of those. That's what properly chosen plant medicines do. I have a completely different view than most people here, because I have been one of us for a long time, but now know I am a Lyme patient, not a psych patient. It just so happens the difficult psych symptoms I struggle with are actually just the toxins of undesired organisms living their normal lives. That includes a host of possibilities of which Lyme is just one.
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> Thankfully, the Lyme herbs cover pretty much the entire spectrum of possibilities....bacterial, fungal, viral, inflammation, immune disregulation, adrenals....all of which seriously mess with brain chemicals in a way that has equal or greater potency than any of our meds can counteract.
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> I know all the above is true, not just from the accounts of thousands of other people, but because my Doxycyline and plants have done a far better job on my depression, anxiety, and schizo-like weirdness than an entire backpack full of meds and ECT as well. Nothing I take is psychoactive or intended for psychiatry, and yet blows everything in the psych toolbox in the weeds.
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> I say all this merely to introduce to you there is another realm outside the psych office that has tremendous potential that you may not yet have embraced.
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> For immediate use:
> Combination of any 2 or 3 of these with your zoloft, drop the depakote....
> Lemon Balm, Passionflower, Skullcap, Valerian Root. These are for immediate relief within minutes or hours.
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> As a base no matter what you do, there should be either Cordyceps or Eulethero (Siberian ginseng) onboard. or both. Siberian G is widely used, widely studied, and tolerated well by most people. Not me though. Cordyceps is my personal choice. These are for longer term rebalancing of internal biologies and fortifying the body against the devastation of stress and illness.
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