Posted by phil1909 on May 20, 2010, at 16:24:15
Regarding noradenalin treatments - I thought I might add a few things to do with my experience over 20 years of being basically used as a lab rat with many a/d (and other) meds, AND from my dealings with many docs and patients.
I have suffered from Generalised Anxiety/fear/phobia related issues. This leads to a common chicken/egg type scenario - does depression cause the anxiety or vica versa.
Without listing them I've been treated with over 15-20 (at least that I rem) a/d meds or combos thereof. Over the years I've found that I'm not clinically depressed. I SUFFER FROM CHRONIC PHOBIA/FEAR/WORRY/ANXIETY - BOTH THOUGHTS AND FEELINGS OBVIOUSLY AS ONE CAUSES THE OTHER.
Serotonin & Noradrenalin RI a/d meds are most useful for treating chronic and/or acute 'DEPRESSION'. I.E. General 'blues', worthlessness, deep sadness, compulsive & fitful crying, thoughts of self-harm and suicide, etc, etc. THESE MEDS CAN ACTUALLY AGGRAVATE ANXIETY/PHOBIA ISSUES DUE TO INCREASES IN NERVOUSNESS, TENSION, STIMULATION, ETC.
What I'm trying to say that I've found that Depression and Chronic Anxiety CAN definitely be 2 SEPARATE root causes of many symptoms, AND NOT ALWAYS the cause of the other. However, 'safer' a/d meds as they are called CAN treat both. (the reverse is alsO very possible as meds used to treat phobias such as benzos and some a/ds can and do cause depression-like symptoms)
Treating Generalised phobias/anxieties unrelated to Chronic & Acute Depression is obviously very VERY tough, and the reason many sufferers are co-treated with Benzos, antipsychotics, etc.
Hence, NaRdil (as I've read, been told, and am experiencing so far) seems to treat ANXIETY/WORRY first, i.e. as the primary cause of any or all other symptoms.
IN SUMMARY, DEPRESSION AND GENERALISED ANXIETY DISORDERS ARE NOT NECESSARILY ALWAYS CAUSALLY LINKED. (just as you can be classically depressed without being anxious, fearful, phobic, etc, you can most certainly suffer from chronic generalised and/or situational anxieties and phobias WITHOUT being depressed) IF YOU FIND OUT WHAT COMES FIRST WITH YOU, OR WHAT CAUSES WHAT IN YOU, THEN TREATMENT(S) CAN BE MUCH MORE EFFECTIVE. (THIS IS BLOODY TOUGH AND PROBABLY THE REASON SO MANY PEOPLE OUT THERE RECEIVE AND PROVIDE REGULAR THERAPY)
I hope some of the info above is useful to anyone out there. If not, no worries.
Take care;
Phil
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