Posted by Lou Pilder on May 7, 2010, at 14:09:51
In reply to Re: Lou's request-leeroybrwn » Lou Pilder, posted by chujoe on May 7, 2010, at 7:50:14
> > > Lou, you'll have to do more than post sensationalistic videos to convince me that the careful, supervised use of psych drugs is the evil you say it is. There's a weird subtext to that vid, too: pleasure is bad for you, pleasure is bad. You didn't answer my other questions by the way.
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> > chugo,
> > You wrote,[...convince me..the evil you (redacted by respondent)...a (redacted by respondent) subtext to that vid...You didn't...]
> > I am unsure as to what you are wanting to mean here. If you could post answers to the following, then I could have the opportunity to respond accordingly.
> > A.What criteria , if any, do you use to write that you think that I am trying to convince anyone here?
> > B. What do you mean by evivl?
> > C. what are the criteria that you use, if any, to say that the vid has a subtext that pleasure is bad?
> > D. What questions did I not answer that you would like answers to?
> > E. other questions if the above are answerd
> > Lou
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> Lou, Bad, Bad Leroy Brown? Honestly, Lou, I'm not sure our world views have enough in common for us to have a productive conversation, but let me begin by saying I think you provide a useful voice on this forum -- a voice that is more than skeptical about the use of psychiatric drugs. Having said that, I think you'd be even more effective if you were less absolutist in the expression of your views and were able to consider the validity of ideas presented by those who disagree with you. I also fear that some of the links you post might lead someone who really needs to take medication to not take it, with terrible consequences.
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> But, as for your questions: 1. You didn't answer when I asked you whether you had ever taken psych drugs and were speaking from experience, or from a more intellectual orientation. You're free of course to decline to answer this. 2. The video you linked to was produced for a popular entertainment television channel and as such was designed to attract viewers by creating a combination of fear and fascination -- as well as a comfortable sense of moral superiority among those who can say, "Well, I'd never take that drug!" From the faux-scientific graphics to the intonations of the narrator, this program exudes sensationalism. 3. By "evil," I just mean the usual dictionary definition, something like "really bad." 4. By what criteria do I believe you are trying to convince anyone here? You've said yourself that you want to "help" and "save" people -- how could you do this without "convincing" them. There is also the fact that you only post on one topic, rather than joining in several conversations from several points of view. Your repetitive and highly similar posts -- regardless of the context in which they appear -- lead me to believe you are trying to convince people. Which is fine: you are perfectly within your rights and within the guidelines of the forum, as far as I can tell as a newcomer here.cj,
You wrote,[...some of the links..might lead someone..to not take...].
I am not telling people to not take their drugs, but to make their own decision as to if the benefits outweigh the risk.. I am more concerned about those here that post to others to take drugs that the FDA has said has the potential to induce a mind-altered state for the one talking the drug to kill themselves. I am more concerned about members here that post to others to take a drug that when combined with what they are taking could kill them. I am more concerned that members here post to others to take a drug when they are depressed that the FDA says could put them in a dream-like state and kill themselves or others. I am more concerned that members here tell others to take a drug that is addicting, which could have the potential to induce a lifetime misery or cause them to kill themselves from being in the withdrawal. I am more concerned that the psychiatrist here is allowing an expert to say that a drug that has been recalled due to that it could kill the taker of the drug via liver toxicity ,to allow that psychiatrist to say that it is a good drug. I am more concerned that there are many members here that have killed themselves and that I am threatened with expulsion from this community if I was to post the foundation of my faith which I think could save lives if I could post that what believe that the God that I give service and worship to has revealed to me a commamndment to me that (the foundation of Judaism). If I talk to anyone about the members here that have killed themselves, I show them the posts here where members are allowed to give advice to others to take these drugs and the owner/oportator does not intervene with a warning...but I sometimes do. I am more concerned that there are pages upon pages of outstanding requests from me to Mr. Hsiung that if those requests were posted answers to, that I think that I could have a better opportunity to save lives here. I am more concerned that a video by The National Geographic Society could be (redacted by respondent) in which the facts in the video have been verified. I am more concerned that the video{ mice and meth} has infomation about amphetamine and there are drugs told to others to take here that are chemically couusins of amphetamine or amphetamine itself, and that our young people are advised to take it here by some members. I am more concerned that the fact that around 36,000 people each year die from psychotropic drugs in some way. I am concerned that the makers of the psychotropic drugs have been called in that they have left out research that was not in their favor of their drug. I am concerned that some members here t post advice to others to take a drug that could not (redacted by rspondent) for that purpose. I am more concerned that research shows that it could be considered that antidepressants are no better than placebo except in one case where that is under review. I am more concerned that one here would post to another to take a drug that could cause a life-ruining condition that the person could suffer endless torment until the internal restlessnes stops, but tardive dyskinesia is generally not reversible and neuroleptic malignant syndrom could be fatal. I am more concerned that the doctors that prescribe these chemicals are not requiered to show the videos that I have posted to the potential user of the drug so that they could have the opportunity to make IMO a more informed decision as to take such drug or not. And there are more videos that I have not posted for they show such horrific disfigurments and death that I can not post them.
If I am called by someone greater than me to give an account of what I have tried to warn people about, and the survivors of those that have killed themselves while on these mind-altering chemicals are there, I think that they will say that they find no fault with me. And if I am called to testify against the drug companies, I will say to forgive them, for they (redacted by respondent).
Lou
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