Posted by detroitpistons on January 27, 2010, at 14:16:40
In reply to Re: DON'T BUY A GUN!!! » bleauberry, posted by evenintherain on January 27, 2010, at 1:43:44
Excellent post, in my honest opinion....Its spot on and includes some really interesting and useful information. Thanks for posting, evenintherain.
Regarding the post at the very bottom of evenintherain's post below (originally posted by bleauberry):
I too would be interested to know where bleauberrys statistics came from. By the way, Im not trying to create an argument here or to offend, or to ruffle any feathers. My mind is open to many different possibilities. But regardless of all of that, the only relevant statistics are those related to suicides, as far as I'm concerned.In other words, and to clarify, my original post was specifically and solely intended to be about gun ownership AS IT RELATES TO THE POPULATION OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE A HISTORY OF DEPRESSION, ESPECIALLY THE ONES WHO HAVE MADE 1 OR MORE SUICIDE ATTEMPTS IN THE PAST (sry, not yelling, just can't use italics)...Im not taking any position whatsoever about gun rights, gun laws/ constitutional matters, nor did I ever intend to address that. The whole gun debate is really outside of the narrow scope of my original post. Simply put - Im just making a general statement that certain individuals with known mood disorders like my friend, yours truly, and probably a good majority of the people on this board, SHOULD NOT OWN A GUN. I think that this really comes down to individual choice. My hope is that these people choose NOT to own a gun. Maybe psychiatrists/ psychologists/ therapists should make it a point to spend a couple minutes discussing this issue with anyone who battles with depression.
> i would be interested to see these statistics and where they come from.
>
> in my opinion, it really isn't that easy to kill yourself through other means. there are times when, if i had access to a gun, i would have used it and i would be dead right now. i can say this with relative certainty and as someone who has previously attempted suicide.
>
> a huge amount of people kill themselves with guns. suicide is generally listed as 11th highest for cause of death in the USA (http://www.worldlifeexpectancy.com/usa.php?cause_id=11). homicide is 15th.
> men complete suicide a lot more frequently than females, despite the fact that females attempt more than 3 times more frequently. men are more likely to use a gun.
>
> states with highest gun ownership per capita:
> Louisiana, Alaska, Montana, Tennessee, Alabama.
>
> States with highest suicides rates:
> Wyoming, Montana, Alaska, Nevada, New Mexico
>
> States with lowest gun ownership per capita:
> Hawaii, Massachusetts, Rhode Island, New Jersey, New York
>
> States with lowest suicide rates:
> D.C., New Jersey, New York, Massachusetts, Illinois, Connecticut, Rhode Island
>
> no real definitive answers here, just interesting stats.
>
> i myself live in a state with very strict gun laws. i know, because at one time looked up getting one for suicidal reasons. if it had been easier to obtain, i doubt would be alive. i have a hard time believing this isn't the case for other people too.
>
> > Just for clarification, it is a proven fact
> > that suicides, crimes, thefts, and murders are
> > significantly lower in areas where there is a
> > high level of gun ownership. In areas where
> > there are few guns, suicides, crimes, thefts,
> > and murders skyrocket. Gun ownership tends to
> > ward off chaos and evil, as the founding
> > fathers knew. A murder is less likely to happen
> > when the potential murderer knows his target
> > also has a loaded gun.
>
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